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post #51 of 77
Tell me about it... I should have checked before I bought the damn thing. It feels like I'm paying to watch half the movie (which is almost literally true if it's 2.35:1, P/S gives you something like 55% of the image).
post #52 of 77
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Originally Posted by Rusty Oysterburger View Post
Minnie Driver...
No.

Watch The Riches. Rince and repeat until you get it.
post #53 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lee Harvey Cobblepot View Post
P/S gives you something like 55% of the image).
But...but...it fills up the entire screen! I don't get those gay ass black bars on the top and bottom of the screen!
post #54 of 77
You guys should REALLY check out 'The Duellists'...this was the film that got Ridley the 'Alien' gig.
post #55 of 77
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But...but...it fills up the entire screen! I don't get those gay ass black bars on the top and bottom of the screen!
Those are indeed gay ass. But we all need a little gay now and then, to remind us not to be too moronic.

There's a really good commentary track on the Collector's Edition of Duelists. It's Scott and another director (can't remember who), who happens to be a fan of the film. That film is absolutely beautiful, it's obvious that Scott gets a lot of inspiration from art (like still life paintings and such). I love the story too, it's almost like a stage play. Could probably work very well adapted into one. Edit: Unless it's already adapted from a play... (checking... no, it's a short story by Joseph Conrad).
post #56 of 77
Yeah, I love that he takes one particular artist or work of art and then runs with it for a feel for the whole movie but in a way that is a million times better than anyone else can even come close to achieving.

The most Successful in my mind being

The Long Tomorrow by Moebius for Blade Runner

Salles des Croisades at Versailles for KoH


Any one know who the documentary photographer whose work inspired BHD?
post #57 of 77
Ok, many days have gone by, all the guys that promised to watch KOH DC...?
post #58 of 77
I think their minds were blown away by the sheer awesomeness of it.
post #59 of 77
Watched Kingdom of Heaven DC. Wow.

That was a dramatically better film, especially the first hour or so. Really excellent stuff withe Liam Neeson. What impressed me most was the importance of the religious themes. Everyone suffering under the medeival ideas of faith and forgiveness in a realistic and grotesque way. David Thewlis also seems to make much more of an impression in this cut. The terrible decision Baleon makes at the end of the second act works very well in this cut, and makes sense. It offers so much historical detail about the way people lived and what they believed that I almost think it should be shown in highs school history classes.

It still has issues, though. Though you obviously can't cut anything, it does run a bit long, especially in the second act, but I think the real problem is Orlando Bloom and Baleon. Bloom is easily better here than I've ever seen him in anything (or probably more accurately, better edited), but he still doesn't have the gravitas or depth to pull of the center of such an enormous story, and it doesn't help that Baleon is the subject of so many fortunate turns of fate and happenstance. It would take a better actor to sell the wild fluctuations of his fortune, and Bloom isn't up to it. It really needed a lead like Russell Crowe in Gladiator, to own the center of the movie, and I wish Paul Bettany had got it, or maybe Leonardo DiCaprio could have pulled it off. Not Bloom.

Also, the modern day parallels are punched up quite a bit in this cut, and I think Scott was throwing some anti-Bush stuff in there with the villains. Thoughtlessly Christian, superior to the point of stupidity, and underestimating the threat the Muslims posed through sheer arrogance. Initially I thought they were over the top, but then I realized they weren't at all. And Brendan Gleason never hurts. The whole supporting cats comes off great in this, actually, with Eva Green getting a lot better stuff to do. Now I can't decide whether I want to rewatch the studio cut just to observe how completely they fucked it up, because it would teach me a lot about editing, or if I want to pretend the TC doesn't exist. Great reccomendation.
post #60 of 77
Excellent commentary on the DC as well.
post #61 of 77
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Originally Posted by Graham View Post
You guys should REALLY check out 'The Duellists'...this was the film that got Ridley the 'Alien' gig.
We don't get such assured debuts too often. Visually stunning. (A testament to Scott the film overcomes miscast Carradine & Keitel)

Call me a Scott apologist, but I even like GI JANE!
post #62 of 77
Much love for Scott here. I haven't seen all of his stuff and honestly not really a fan of Blade Runner but the man does create magic.

KOH didn't really grab me. I think the problem really was with me though. My expectations were so high that it's simply ridiculous. I always want to pick up the director's cut but at $25, it's a little steep. Combine that with the fact that my blockbuster probably still doesn't carry it since the last time I checked and I always forget to rent it when I have Blockbuster Online I think I'll never see it.
post #63 of 77
Actually, I've been kind of wondering lately how good Ridley Scott's films really are. His earlier works were mediocre, cliche story lines infused with great atmosphere and set pieces (Legend, Alien). Hell, Blade Runner was basically a butchered version of Philip K. Dick's story (Though, hopefully someone can prove me wrong on this last point)..
post #64 of 77
I've only seen Blade Runner once but it didn't do anything for me. Visually it's beautiful, but there just wasn't much else there that I cared about. The rest of his filmography that I've seen is solid to great, with Alien being my favorite. American Gangster was bad though. Very bad.
post #65 of 77
I didn't think Gangster was really bad, more mediocre. The film has its merits. The scene where Lucas shoots Stringer Bell in the middle of the street was well filmed and acted, and pretty shocking too. Also, the scene with the piano. I found Frank's brothers pretty amusing too. Overall though, it was probably below average, especially when compared to Scott's recent films.

And as a note, films that have any kind of detective/police work that mirrors reality have been ruined for me by The Wire. They just don't have that kind of detail and in the end the movie always comes off half assed. Zodiac is the exception.
post #66 of 77
Hell, Blade Runner was basically a butchered version of Philip K. Dick's story (Though, hopefully someone can prove me wrong on this last point)..

Blade Runner and Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep are so different it's not even fair to compare them. Both are great and work on their own terms.

Alien is probably my favorite movie, if I had to pick one. Story-wise it's essentially a refurbished 50's b-movie but it's so beautiful and perfectly realized.

Most of Ridley's post-Blade Runner flicks I could live without, to be honest. But that's me.
post #67 of 77
Oh, and I didn't want to address RCA in that other forum...here's an excerpt of some of what he said about Hannibal, anyway:

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Ridley Scott blows.

Hannibal- Took rage from the demise of Alien franchise glory days and single handedly ruined franchise before it could even get off the ground(nice work Sir!). Take that Alien! Fuck you Jonathan Demme!! How does it feel to have the diamond franchise you started tarnished by second rate hacks!! errr, ummm, nevermind...
I like Hannibal. I watch it fairly regularly (which I guess would be once a year or so). I used to absolutely love SOTL back in my earlier days, but I either overplayed it or outgrown it. It just sucks now. I can't even watch it. Sure, I appreciate it, I just don't feel like watching it. But Hannibal is a good film. You've got a great performance by Giancarlo Giannini, and Ray Liotta eating his own brains. And it's just gorgeous to look at. SOTL is drab and boring looking, and depressing, but Hannibal is a beautiful film.
post #68 of 77
Ray Liotta eating his own brains is the only thing I like about Hannibal. It hints at the deliciously macabre black comedy it could have been.
post #69 of 77
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I didn't think Gangster was really bad, more mediocre. The film has its merits. The scene where Lucas shoots Stringer Bell in the middle of the street was well filmed and acted, and pretty shocking too. Also, the scene with the piano. I found Frank's brothers pretty amusing too. Overall though, it was probably below average, especially when compared to Scott's recent films.

And as a note, films that have any kind of detective/police work that mirrors reality have been ruined for me by The Wire. They just don't have that kind of detail and in the end the movie always comes off half assed. Zodiac is the exception.
You're right. It's not that bad, but it was just so entirely run of the mill. It just bothers me when a mediocre movie like that gets glowing reviews and stuff. I tend to hold that against the movie itself, and not the people who are overhyping the movie.

And yeah, The Wire pretty much does the whole crime genre thing better than almost anything before or since. Too bad more people haven't seen it so as to aspire to make something to rival its quality.
post #70 of 77
What happended to the Brave New World adaptation that Ridley Scott was gonna direct? Has it been scrapped?
post #71 of 77

The Unpopular Opinion: ‘Blade Runner’ and ‘Alien’ Are the Only Good Ridley Scott Movies

 

http://www.slashfilm.com/there-are-only-two-good-ridley-scott-movies/

post #72 of 77
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Originally Posted by RCA View Post

The Unpopular Opinion: ‘Blade Runner’ and ‘Alien’ Are the Only Good Ridley Scott Movies

http://www.slashfilm.com/there-are-only-two-good-ridley-scott-movies/

I think there's a Director's Cut of The Martian in there that could rival his best.

Basically cut back everything on Earth and with the Crew except the bare necessities. Let us spend a solid hour alone with Damon before letting us know the folks back on Earth know he's alive. That'd give you something special. As-is, you never really get to FEEL the solitude like the book lets you, which is kind of in line with what that article is saying even if I don't agree entirely.
post #73 of 77
I agree that there sometimes lack emotion in Scott's films but Gladiator and The
Martian succeed highly on that scale. Thelma and Louise and White Squall as well.
post #74 of 77
The VERY unpopular opinion: I'd take Prometheus and Alien Covenant over every Ridley Scott movie since the 80s..
post #75 of 77
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The VERY unpopular opinion: I'd take Prometheus and Alien Covenant over every Ridley Scott movie since the 80s..
post #76 of 77
Are you seriously suggesting that KINGDOM OF HEAVEN DC is worse than those movies??? And BHD?
post #77 of 77
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Are you seriously suggesting that KINGDOM OF HEAVEN DC is worse than those movies??? And BHD?
No....I'm seriously suggesting that I just simply enjoy those two more than any Scott movie since Black Rain. Also, I'm one of those people that's still only seen the theatrical KOH. And Black Hawk Down is a genre I don't watch much of. After some of the things I saw and experienced when I was in the service, those types of movies just don't appeal to me all that much, though I can recognize the craft involved..
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