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Because I'm tired of discussion about it popping up everywhere else.
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The songs they premiered in their live concerts were not bad. Nowhere near close as the suck fest of St. Anger.

Is the single still set to debut on Rock Band DLC ?
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Blabbermouth has a review up of some new songs British rock magazines heard. Their reviews sound promising (or maybe relieved is more the word). They're also getting their own Guitar Hero game sometime next year. I hope it has some Garage Days revisited on there.
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I'm sure it will be awesome. I hear it's a return to form, very reminiscent of their early work! It's supposed to ha ha I'm kidding it'll be awful.
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I dont understand why you would think its gonna suck, Lars and James arent stupid. They know heavy music is popular again and they know everyone hated St. Anger. Im pretty sure theyd like people to buy the album, so it makes sense they would go back to their earlier sound. So essentially they are selling out again lol, but this time its the good kind of selling out.
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Lars may not be stupid but he is sure as shit annoying.
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Originally Posted by capinkevey View Post
I dont understand why you would think its gonna suck,
Because they've been ass for twenty years.


Your logic is retarded. I'm supposed to think it's gonna be good because Lars and James aren't stupid and heavy music is popular? How is this different from 1996?
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Were you fucking alive in 1996? If so youd realize that heavy metal bands were pretty much dead with a few exceptions (pantera). Alt rock and grunge were all the rage so thats the direction they went in. Heavy Metal was in hibernation for a long time, especially so in 1996. Now that heavy music is "popular" again, there going back to their roots.

Im not a Metallica apoligist, they completly sold out their fanbase with load and reload, trying to stay hip and current. That said I dont think they are bad albums.
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I hope Metallica sounds like Panic at the Disco this time around.
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I hope Metallica sounds like Panic at the Disco this time around.
Complete with gay circus themed videos.
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Originally Posted by capinkevey View Post
Were you fucking alive in 1996? If so youd realize that heavy metal bands were pretty much dead with a few exceptions (pantera). Alt rock and grunge were all the rage so thats the direction they went in. Heavy Metal was in hibernation for a long time, especially so in 1996. Now that heavy music is "popular" again, there going back to their roots.

Im not a Metallica apoligist, they completly sold out their fanbase with load and reload, trying to stay hip and current. That said I dont think they are bad albums.
What the hell are you talking about?

Grunge (God help me) was dead by 1996. Tool, Rage, Korn - those were the big bands around the time of Load. They are not heavy?
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The late '90s is when nu-metal started to hit big.
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Originally Posted by capinkevey
Were you fucking alive in 1996? If so youd realize that heavy metal bands were pretty much dead with a few exceptions (pantera). Alt rock and grunge were all the rage so thats the direction they went in. Heavy Metal was in hibernation for a long time, especially so in 1996. Now that heavy music is "popular" again, there going back to their roots.

Im not a Metallica apoligist, they completly sold out their fanbase with load and reload, trying to stay hip and current. That said I dont think they are bad albums.
I didn't realized that metal had gone through this booming exposure over the past five years - since St. Anger - that would merit Metallica into playing good music again. But you're right, James and Lars aren't stupid. I guess that's why they haven't made a great album since ...And Justice For All.
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Oh c'mon, capinkevey's got a point. I mean we all know that smart people never, ever make shitty music. I mean ever. Right guys? I mean right?
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Yea grundge was dying in 1996. They had been working on Load for about 2 years. So thats 1994. Alt rock was all the rage in the mid 90's. I dont see how you really deny that. Korn didnt really hit it big with Follow the later until 98.
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Yea grundge was dying in 1996.
Not dying. Dead. But that's neither here nor there.

Bottom lime is there is NO CHANCE IN HELL the new Metallica album will be good. They don't have it anymore. Name me one band or artist who ended two decades of awful music by all of a sudden releasing a good album.
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Ok so its dead in 96, my point is that Alt rock was big, and heavy metal wasnt so much. There was a reason why all of a sudden they were playing lollapalouza and releasing songs like until it sleeps. And the reason is that they are trend hoppers. All I meant by the smart comment was that they know its cool to play thrash again so the album will most likely sound old schoolish. No need to be so hostile.
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You can call me an apologist if you want to but I have yet to see reason to give up on these guys. Load sucks, yeah that's true. 60% of St. Anger sucks, this is also true. But I refuse to completely give up on a band that produced Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All and the Black Album. I think they can still find it again.

I'm real interested to hear Trujillo too.
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
It's almost disheartening to see Pearl Jam's name mentioned in this thread, if only because a band like Metallica can only wish to have a catalogue as rich and consistent as theirs.

The last solid Metallica disc was way back in '91, ironically, when Pearl Jam's debut hit.
post #21 of 471
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Originally Posted by capinkevey View Post
I dont understand why you would think its gonna suck, Lars and James arent stupid. They know heavy music is popular again and they know everyone hated St. Anger.
I don't mean to dog-pile on you with everyone else, but St. Anger IS heavy as fuck, it just happens to be a horrible album.

I still think if St. Anger was the debut album by another band, and had totally different vocals/lyrics, it would have been popular. And people would have been like, "this kind of reminds me of Metallica!".
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I'm confused by the pictures of the Pearl Jam albums. It couldn't possibly be in response to my "name a band who ended two decades of suckage with a solid album" question for two reasons:
1) That would mean that Vs.,Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, and Binaural were no good. That is inaccurate.
2)That would mean Riot Act was a solid album. Also inaccurate.
post #23 of 471
Consider me a Load/Reload apologist. If you subtract 'Ronnie' or whatever the hell track #13 is called on Load you have (IMO) one of the better rock albums of the 90's.

The only thing thats holding out hope for me (until I hear some of this music) is the fact that they finally ditched Bob Rock and went with one of the best producers around. If Rubin can't squeeze something listenable out of them then I'd say it's definitely time to hang 'em up.

On the plus side, maybe if this fails too they'll just tour for years and eventually let Mustaine back in the band! I'd pay to see that. Then again I paid to see Guns N' Roses a few years ago so what do I know?
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I'm confused by the pictures of the Pearl Jam albums. It couldn't possibly be in response to my "name a band who ended two decades of suckage with a solid album" question for two reasons:
1) That would mean that Vs.,Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, and Binaural were no good. That is inaccurate.
Like Metallica, the albums you just mentioned have moments, really great moments even, but as whole, they just kinda fall apart. Riot Act was their first all-the-way-through solid work since Ten.
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I'd have to disagree with both Leper and Clark. Riot Act is a great album. Pearl Jam's albums that came before that are infinitely in a higher league than Metallica's output post-'91, especially Vitalogy, an underrated disc (by the general public, at least) and messy masterpiece.

To add to this bizarre comparison, The Black Album >>>>> Ten. After Ten is when Pearl Jam solidified their status as one of the best bands of their generation.
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I don't mean to dog-pile on you with everyone else, but St. Anger IS heavy as fuck, it just happens to be a horrible album.

I still think if St. Anger was the debut album by another band, and had totally different vocals/lyrics, it would have been popular. And people would have been like, "this kind of reminds me of Metallica!".
Yea it is heavy, but kinda in a nu metal-ish way. Theres no solos and all the guitars are in D tuning. I think the atmosphere now is more condusive to a thrashy album.

Rasberry, please shut the fuck up. You dont like riot act? Or Load? Congrats. That doesent mean there bad albums. You're not the final arbitrator of quality.
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Like Metallica, the albums you just mentioned have moments, really great moments even, but as whole, they just kinda fall apart. Riot Act was their first all-the-way-through solid work since Ten.
Wow. As much as I worship at the Pearl Jam alter, I have to admit to being your polar opposite in this case. If forced to rank their studio output, Ten and Riot Act would be at the bottom (albeit with a huge gap between them). Based on the post RA tour setlists , I could make the case that even the band has soured on the album.
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Originally Posted by capinkevey View Post

Rasberry, please shut the fuck up. You dont like riot act? Or Load? Congrats. That doesent mean there bad albums. You're not the final arbitrator of quality.
This is always always always my favorite angle when debating about music with someone. Obviously, all I am stating is my opinion. I don't claim that what I am saying is gospel.
post #29 of 471
You have to let it go, Old School Metallica is gone. The albums that are viewed as the quintessential Metallica ablums: Kill ‘Em All, Ride the Lighting, Master of Puppets, Garage Days, and And Justice… were all made in the 80’s. 80’s metal was 80’s metal. It was specific music at a specific time.

That band has been gone for a long time. People change, bands change, music changes. Even if they decided to recreate Kill ‘Em All, it would not sound the same and older fans would be disappointed.
post #30 of 471
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... I could make the case that even the band has soured on the album.
Yeah, but what does Robbie Robertson know?
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"2)That would mean Riot Act was a solid album. Also inaccurate."

That sounded more matter of fact, and not so much like a personal opinion, but whatever I dont wanna derail the thread.
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Yeah, but what does Robbie Robertson know?
Nice.

I can't believe anyone still cares about Metallica. 20 years past their best before/relevance date and people wonder if the new album will be good? Jesus, should we be waiting with baited breath about the Motley Crue album as well?
post #33 of 471
My signature describes how I feel. There's no going back to the glory days of innocence.

Of course I am excited, of course it won't be amazing.
Still - there aren't very many bands this intriguing.
I actually like the LOADS quite a bit, and feel like St Anger is the only disaster in the bands career.

Still doesn't change the fact that they are getting older, Lars is still getting worse (is that even possible?) at drumming, and James' voice has been shot for a decade. I predict this album will sound like a cross between "The Struggle Within", "Bleeding Me", and "Some Kind of Monster" - but I am fine with that.


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Jesus, should we be waiting with baited breath about the Motley Crue album as well?
There's a ton of people outside of Chud circles who are.
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There's a ton of people outside of Chud circles who are.
We like to call those people assholes.
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We like to call those people assholes.


OR just old nostalgic rocker-guys.
Don't have to get all mean at them about it.
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Originally Posted by capinkevey View Post
"2)That would mean Riot Act was a solid album. Also inaccurate."

That sounded more matter of fact, and not so much like a personal opinion, but whatever I dont wanna derail the thread.
Oh, no. That's a fact. What I was saying about Metallica is opinion.

Sorry to confuse.
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There's a ton of people outside of Chud circles who are.
I should have known that there were... I live only five minutes from a trailer park, after all.
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Ya gotta hand it to the Crue. Most bands break up a while after they have to start playing tractor pulls and doing reality shows. Vince Neil and the boys soldier on. Can't wait for the "Just for Men"/Viagra Would Tour 2010.
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James' voice has been shot for a decade.
To be fair, James becomes a goddamned Buddhist monk when it comes to making sure he can growl with the best of them once he's in in the studio. But any metal vocalist can tell you, doing that shit night after night is no easy feat. James just stopped trying somewhere around 1992.
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
To be fair, James becomes a goddamned Buddhist monk when it comes to making sure he can growl with the best of them once he's in in the studio. But any metal vocalist can tell you, doing that shit night after night is no easy feat. James just stopped trying somewhere around 1992.
I see your point, but the vocals on St Anger disagree.
post #41 of 471
Some songs on St Anger sound pretty interesting, but they just go on twice as long as they should. St Anger and Frantic (and another one whose name I've forgotten) sound pretty awesome, but then they repeat too much.

Based on the "Some Kind Of Monster" doco, it seemed they were desparately short on decent material and stretched whatever they could to cover the album.


Regarding the new one, they have my attention so that I'll give it a chance if I see good reviews or recommendations. There are a lot of good bands out there competing for space on my iPod (especially since Trent Reznor keeps giving albums away).
post #42 of 471
Kriegaffe's got a point, the edited version of Some Kind of Monster where they cut out about three minutes of stuff is a lot better than the album version.
post #43 of 471
I've said before St. Anger does have some good riffs in it, it's just they go nowhere. Regardless if they had shortened the songs or added solos, the quality of the recording was dog shit and the lyrics were pretty bad.
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I was wrong when I said their last great album was The Black Album. I forgot about Garage Inc. Of course, the Garage Days Re-Revisited disc is a metal classic, but the first disc of newer covers is a perfect mix of the efficient and nimble playing found on The Black Album with the thrash-fire spirit of their '80s discs.
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My signature describes how I feel. There's no going back to the glory days of innocence.

Of course I am excited, of course it won't be amazing.
Still - there aren't very many bands this intriguing.
I actually like the LOADS quite a bit, and feel like St Anger is the only disaster in the bands career.

Still doesn't change the fact that they are getting older, Lars is still getting worse (is that even possible?) at drumming, and James' voice has been shot for a decade. I predict this album will sound like a cross between "The Struggle Within", "Bleeding Me", and "Some Kind of Monster" - but I am fine with that.

I think Andrew here most closely echoes my feelings. I am hoping for the best, but trying real hard to be realistic. And this is coming from a HUGE Metallica fan. And don't be too hard on St. Anger, at least it's metal, which is more than you can say for the majority of tracks on the Loads.

Oh, and just to clarify: the Loads are in no way, shape or form "alternative." Grunge, with it's heavy ties to seventies rock, was big in the early 90s, yes. I think Metallica saw this trend and instead of following it necessarily, decided to go all the way back to a lot of their influences in seventies rock. Back to the source, you could say. That's why you get a lot of Load tracks that sound like: Metallica doing Motorhead (Ain't My Bitch), Zepellin (Poor Twisted Me), Thin Lizzy (Ronnie), Sabbath (Carpe Diem Baby), Aerosmith (2x4) etc.
post #46 of 471
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Originally Posted by Ray Abed View Post
I was wrong when I said their last great album was The Black Album. I forgot about Garage Inc. Of course, the Garage Days Re-Revisited disc is a metal classic, but the first disc of newer covers is a perfect mix of the efficient and nimble playing found on The Black Album with the thrash-fire spirit of their '80s discs.
Yes, everyone seems to ignore this one. I love that album.

And I will never stop being interested in Metallica. No one my age who listens to metal ever will. If only for getting me into metal I'll always want them to be good and I'll feel bad if they don't.
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Yes, everyone seems to ignore this one. I love that album.

And I will never stop being interested in Metallica. No one my age who listens to metal ever will. If only for getting me into metal I'll always want them to be good and I'll feel bad if they don't.
I agree with this completely. And I also agree with the Star Wars analogy Andrew C made. They may suck from now on and forever, but I will always hope that the NEXT album will be good. That said, I enjoyed the Loads to a certain degree. They're much easier to swallow if you photoshop their name off the cover art
post #48 of 471
I like the new Motley Crue single. It's just "Dr. Feelgood" slightly rewritten, but I like it anyway.

That is all.
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I like the new Motley Crue single. It's just "Dr. Feelgood" slightly rewritten, but I like it anyway.

That is all.
See what I mean?
Misfit is not an asshole, and he's got an opinion about MC...



anyway.

Not perfect, but this recent Metallica performance has a decent amount of energy and grit compared to some of their shows in the last decade.


http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=98614

I still don't love that NBA jersey monkeyman on bass though
post #50 of 471
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Not perfect, but this recent Metallica performance has a decent amount of energy and grit compared to some of their shows in the last decade.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=98614

I still don't love that NBA jersey monkeyman on bass though
Lars looks like he's working HARD. On the first song.
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