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post #51 of 563
6/17/08 at 7:59pm
Sometimes parents have to get the lil' tykes from point A to point B and a plane is the only way, but I agree that a lot of people are seemingly becoming oblivious to the effect their kids have on others. I don't want to deal with kids yammering and banging around at a nice restaurant. I shouldn't have to put up with your anklebiters scampering through the aisles at the department store. The local grocery has these cute mini shopping carts that parents can let their crumbsnatchers push around the store marked "shopper in training." FUCK. YOU.
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post #52 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:02pm
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They should get in the fucking car and drive where they need to go.
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post #53 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Look, Cap, you CHOSE to have kids. You knew that you would be inconvenienced.
I'm not inconvenienced, I'm not the one whining about crying babies in planes. And I've even been in that situation in a flight form NY to Mumbai (14+ hours).

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I did not choose to have to kids -I've actually made very pro-active efforts to not have any - and I do not want to be inconvenienced by your decision.
That's too bad. If the airline allows babies and little children, that is your problem not mine. Again, a the adult solution would be to invest in headphones.

In the real world, families do have to travel, and no they don't have to justify themselves to devin.

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Maybe crying babies are not music to a parent's ears, but it's what you have to put up with because of the choices you made.
You are projecting. I'm not all that bothered by it, my point was that it is not our goal as parents to have our children crying. But I can put up with it, as any parent would know.

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In the same way I get mad when someone watches a DVD on a plane without headphones, I shouldn't have to be subjected to your fucking spawn.
A thinking adult would have solved this problem long ago.

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It isn't even like we NEED more kids anymore. There are too many people as it is.
Sounds like a personal problem you have.

Ask for a raise or something, if you can't afford noise canceling headphones maybe you should work overtime at the local Burger King.
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post #54 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:05pm
Aw c'mon I hear your complaints Devin but driving cross country is not financially feasible for anybody really at this point. Planes are the fastest and in lots of cases most affordable way and everybody's gotta deal with shit on them. It happens.
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post #55 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:07pm
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They should get in the fucking car and drive where they need to go.
Or catapult.
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post #56 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:08pm
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I don't understand why I should spend one extra penny to make up for the fact that babies are crying on my plane. Again, I didn't want your baby, I didn't make your baby, I don't like your baby. Keep it at home.
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post #57 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:09pm
Of course, you CHOSE to take public transportation. You want to avoid kids? Drive. You don't have a car? You CHOSE not to buy a car. Ridiculous.
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post #58 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:10pm
Some people don't like to sit next to smelly and hairy movie critics. They have to deal with it too.
(and LD is right, nobody forced you to go on a plane, seems like you can't handle it)
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post #59 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:11pm
LD's right. You paid knowing there would be babies onboard.

I mean I don't like it either but it's part of being on a plane. Give me an option to do without babies and I'll take it but there's no such option. Personally, I take two tranquilizers and I'm asleep before I get asked if I want peanuts or pretzels.
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post #60 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:13pm
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Of course, you CHOSE to take public transportation. You want to avoid kids? Drive. You don't have a car? You CHOSE not to buy a car. Ridiculous.
Are you a retarded person?
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post #61 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by Jakespeare View Post
LD's right. You paid knowing there would be babies onboard.

I mean I don't like it either but it's part of being on a plane. Give me an option to do without babies and I'll take it but there's no such option. Personally, I take two tranquilizers and I'm asleep before I get asked if I want peanuts or pretzels.
I knew there would be babies on board? Are you kidding me? These are the arguments? How would i know there were babies on board? This is dick shatteringly dumb.
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post #62 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:14pm
It's your argument turned around on you.
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post #63 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:16pm
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I knew there would be babies on board? Are you kidding me? These are the arguments? How would i know there were babies on board? This is dick shatteringly dumb.
How is it dick shatteringly dumb? Have you ever been on a flight when there wasn't a crying kid on board? Because if you have you're a lucky man, every single flight I've ever been on except one that was chartered specifically for the group I was with has had crying kids. It should be in the goddamn brochures it's so guaranteed.
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post #64 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:16pm
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It's your argument turned around on you.
Do you think I flew Infant Air? You probably weren't on the debate team.
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post #65 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:17pm
You're right. How can I possibly match the lucid thought process that you've put forth here?
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post #66 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:20pm
Yeah, great argument.

"I am bothered by noise in planes, specially crying babies and rude people playing their DVDs without earphones."
"I'm just going to rant on my message board. What? Get a nice set of noise-canceling headphones? RETARDED!"
"How was I supposed to know there were going to be kids in my plane, or people farting, or morbidly obese passengers cramping the aisles!"

Yup, you've shown your superior intellect.
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post #67 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:21pm
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Do you think I flew Infant Air? You probably weren't on the debate team.
So what's your argument? Hey spend enough money that you'll never have a hope of being financially stable so you can go see your family or whatever the fuck reason you're flying for. All this so that I can sit there in a chair that's eight sizes too small for me next to some dickhead who's no doubt either talking about his wife incessantly or drooling on you. Do you know how economically unfeasible the driving option is for most families? Or did you just chuck that one out there so people would respond to it and you could go "Hey, are you fucking retarded?" for the rest of the day?
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post #68 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:24pm
The biggest problem is ass-hole parents who think they have special rights because they have children and are too self-centered to realize that their shitty kid is a total annoyance to everyone but them. They aren't concerned about their wailing baby's effect on others because they just assume that everybody thinks it's as precious as they do and that the crying is no big deal.
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post #69 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:25pm
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Infant Air
That would make a good comedy skit.
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post #70 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:26pm
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post #71 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:27pm
Holy crap, Andy Rooney does not look well.
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post #72 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:28pm
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post #73 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:29pm
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So what's your argument? Hey spend enough money that you'll never have a hope of being financially stable so you can go see your family or whatever the fuck reason you're flying for. All this so that I can sit there in a chair that's eight sizes too small for me next to some dickhead who's no doubt either talking about his wife incessantly or drooling on you. Do you know how economically unfeasible the driving option is for most families? Or did you just chuck that one out there so people would respond to it and you could go "Hey, are you fucking retarded?" for the rest of the day?
I don't care how unfeasible it is. Stay home. Have grandma come to you.

I don't want to pay money for extra items I don't need because YOU are inconveniencing me. I don't want to buy a gas mask so you can smoke on a plane. I don't want to buy special headphones because your infant is a mewling disgusting sack of shit.

I'm a considerate, experienced flier. I have logged almost 30,000 miles in the air this past year. I have flown every single week for the last six weeks. I have my shoes off before I get to the security checkpoint and I try to sit in the aisle so that I don't bug people when I go to the bathroom. I am quick about clearing the aisle when boarding and exiting the plane so that everybody else can move. I keep my entire body inside the arm rests of my seat so that I'm not encroaching on anyone else's space. I don't blare music and I don't take off my shoes and fill the cabin with my foot funk. I don't bug the stewardess and I don't talk to the people next to me. I even keep my seat belt buckled when I'm sitting down.

Bringing your baby on the plane shows none of that consideration. I am sorry, but the other 200 people on that plane are more important than your need to get to Disneyland.
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post #74 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:31pm
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the other 200 people on that plane are more important than your need to get to Disneyland.
He's right you know. Movie set's don't visit themselves.
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post #75 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:34pm
As a liberal, I say fuck it - let's just shoot babies in the head with rifles as soon as their soft little head peeks out of the vagine.
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post #76 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:35pm
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It's your argument turned around on you.
Could the logic of your statement have gone any further over his head?


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Babies Should Not Be Allowed On Planes
Should not? Why? Because you don't like it? By that logic, every restaurant should serve Chipotle burritos, and every studio should offer a seat to every critic who comes to a screening, just because it's what Devin prefers. But, they don't have to. They get to make their own mind about how to run their business, just like you get to decide whether you want to utilize a service with policies you don't care for.

Airlines, like any company, can provide their products as they see fit, so long as they aren't violating a law/regulation. Just like you get to decide not to have a kid, companies and other people get to decide whether they think kids are okay.

Don't like it? Get in your car and fucking drive.
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post #77 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:36pm
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As a liberal, I say fuck it - let's just shoot babies in the head with rifles as soon as their soft little head peeks out of the vagine.
If I was witty I'd insert a pic here of Elmer Fudd shooting wabbits.
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post #78 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:36pm
I was serious, billy. Serious as a round to the brainpan.
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post #79 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller View Post
He's right you know. Movie set's don't visit themselves.
What's most disheartening about some of the people who post on this board is their slim grasp of logic. There are 200 people on that plane, all being considerate, thoughtful fliers. Each of them is being inconvenienced by your screaming baby. No matter where they are going, their collective comfort is more important than whatever reason you've dragged Junior onto that flight. Period. I mean, I know you're trying to be all 'clever' and shit, but you don't have it in you.
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post #80 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:39pm
I've never seen those "Baby On Board" signs with the suction cups on planes. You should be warned. It should be required.
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post #81 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:41pm
"Keep that damn chicken quiet!"
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post #82 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
I don't care how unfeasible it is. Stay home. Have grandma come to you.

I don't want to pay money for extra items I don't need because YOU are inconveniencing me. I don't want to buy a gas mask so you can smoke on a plane. I don't want to buy special headphones because your infant is a mewling disgusting sack of shit.

I'm a considerate, experienced flier. I have logged almost 30,000 miles in the air this past year. I have flown every single week for the last six weeks. I have my shoes off before I get to the security checkpoint and I try to sit in the aisle so that I don't bug people when I go to the bathroom. I am quick about clearing the aisle when boarding and exiting the plane so that everybody else can move. I keep my entire body inside the arm rests of my seat so that I'm not encroaching on anyone else's space. I don't blare music and I don't take off my shoes and fill the cabin with my foot funk. I don't bug the stewardess and I don't talk to the people next to me. I even keep my seat belt buckled when I'm sitting down.
Fuck, when did I turn into Devin? I fly every month and it's maddening how many people are flat-out bad at it.

Sorry, he's right. Your kid doesn't really need to fly anywhere. It's physically stressful for the kid to boot. If your kid needs to get to another time zone for an organ transplant or something, there's Nyquil. I'm not kidding. Tranq the litle tyke.

As for ever flying anywhere without a kid on the plane? Red-eyes. And Vegas.

Edit: points to Ex-Phib for the M*A*S*H* ref.
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post #83 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:43pm
Lets not stop with babies on a flight. That's just scratching the surface on things to complain about.
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post #84 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:43pm
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There are 200 people on that plane, all being considerate, thoughtful fliers.
While you make good points, this I doubt.
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post #85 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:44pm
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I wish I could say I was surprised that something I hastily tapped out on my iPhone before take off caused so many of the same posters who love to argue with me to come out of the woodwork where they were busy not talking movies.
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post #86 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:44pm
I had replies written up for several people on here, but fuck it. Babies suck. They ARE annoying, it's part of their job(it lets you know when they are hungry, hurt, tired, etc). The baby cry was designed in such a way to be annoying as fuck so their parent(s) would know something was amiss.

I personally have to agree. When parents choose(or don't) to have a baby, they have to realize they won't, or shouldn't, be doing a lot of the things they used to do, like go to LOUD R rated movies at 9 PM, go skeet shooting, or go out to eat in a crowded restaurant, unless they get a sitter. I realize sometimes people have to take their infants on planes, but try to figure something else out.

Believe it or not, I like kids. Once they start talking.
Prior to that, they're pretty much useless. I love how humans are smart and resourceful, but our offspring are the among the most helpless of the entire animal kingdom.
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post #87 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:45pm
Flying is inconvenient for EVERYBODY; I always thought crying babies were just the icing on the cake. Now we have to pay for ALL our drinks and ALL our luggage, I figure adults will be crying as often as babies.

Screw it, I'm driving from now on.

And boy, Devin, believers, fanboys, babies...the list of things you hate just keeps building. Who DO you like, anyway? Anybody?
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post #88 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
What's most disheartening about some of the people who post on this board is their slim grasp of logic. There are 200 people on that plane, all being considerate, thoughtful fliers. Each of them is being inconvenienced by your screaming baby. No matter where they are going, their collective comfort is more important than whatever reason you've dragged Junior onto that flight. Period. I mean, I know you're trying to be all 'clever' and shit, but you don't have it in you.
Sorry, but the burden is on you. There are 200 people on that plane (the majority of whom will be no more considerate or thoughtful than average). Each person who bought that ticket made a cost/benefit analysis when they purchased their ticket. There is a clear risk that you're going to get on board with a screaming child. When you decide to purchase that ticket, you've decided that the risk was acceptable. There's no moral obligation on the part of other people to look out for you. The economics of the flight have already handled that problem.
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post #89 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:47pm
Babies suck, but sanctimonious parents who get vehemently angry about this stuff are even fucking worse. Congratulations, you managed to knock someone up, now you're going to pretend that having a kid excuses you from being the same douchebag you were nine months prior.
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post #90 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:48pm
At the end of the day, I really don't care that you are inconvenienced by crying babies or screaming children. Reasonable parents will do their best to calm their kids down, mature adults will take measures to minimize the discomfort by ignoring the noise or listening to their ipod (or going to first class).

Yeah there are some asshole parents that don't seem to care, but I would argue they are in the minority. There's also a bunch of grumpy idiots that get overly angry by the mere presence of children, for these fossils I hope all their flights are full of crying babies and screaming 2 year olds.
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post #91 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:48pm
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I personally have to agree. When parents choose(or don't) to have a baby, they have to realize they won't, or shouldn't, be doing a lot of the things they used to do, like go to LOUD R rated movies at 9 PM, go skeet shooting, or go out to eat in a crowded restaurant, unless they get a sitter. I realize sometimes people have to take their infants on planes, but try to figure something else out.
This I generally agree with. As with anything else, you make one decision, you foreclose your ability to make other decisions.

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Prior to that, they're pretty much useless. I love how humans are smart and resourceful, but our offspring are the among the most helpless of the entire animal kingdom.
Pretty much a necessary relationship, I think.
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post #92 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
At the end of the day, I really don't care that you are inconvenienced by crying babies or screaming children. Reasonable parents will do their best to calm their kids down, mature adults will take measures to minimize the discomfort by ignoring the noise or listening to their ipod (or going to first class).

Yeah there are some asshole parents that don't seem to care, but I would argue they are in the minority. There's also a bunch of grumpy idiots that get overly angry by the mere presence of children, for these fossils I hope all their flights are full of crying babies and screaming 2 year olds.
Amen. People expect that for their budget ticket they're going to get an airline/bus/hotel/whatever catering to their preferences. You want special treatment, work hard, be successful, and buy the treatment you deserve from vendors who have policies you prefer.
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post #93 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:51pm
And while I think people whining about babies on planes are sounding like...well, whiny poopy-pants babies themselves, I definitely understand the irritation at parents who A. don't even TRY to shut their kids up/keep them quiet, and B. Bring kids to inappropriate places, and then expect everybody around them to deal with it.

Yes, I take my kids to movies, but I ALWAYS go to matinees, so you Chewers got nothing on me.
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post #94 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Look, Cap, you CHOSE to have kids. You knew that you would be inconvenienced. I did not choose to have to kids - I've actually made very pro-active efforts to not have any - and I do not want to be inconvenienced by your decision. Maybe crying babies are not music to a parent's ears, but it's what you have to put up with because of the choices you made. In the same way I get mad when someone watches a DVD on a plane without headphones, I shouldn't have to be subjected to your fucking spawn. It isn't even like we NEED more kids anymore. There are too many people as it is.
The problem with the whole "kids on airplanes" issue is that it's somewhat of a non-optional thing - ya wanna fly, ya have kids, ya gotta take the kids on the plane. Maybe you cranky bitches should get private berths on Amtrak, that way NOBODY can bug you.

Now taking your kids to movies or shit like that, yeah, tough break. We DID take our daughter to a nice supper club when she was 3-4 mos old or so, and lucky me she decided to be fussy, so I spent most of the meal in the coatroom. There were only about 2 or 3 other tables and the second time I left they told my wife and in-laws that they didn't mind but the main issue was it was a big deal to me not to be the assbag with the crying kid in the middle of the restaurant.
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post #95 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:56pm
If I ever have a baby and need to fly somewhere, Junior's going with the checked baggage -- even if it is another $15.
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post #96 of 563
6/17/08 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by The LD View Post
When you decide to purchase that ticket, you've decided that the risk was acceptable. There's no moral obligation on the part of other people to look out for you. The economics of the flight have already handled that problem.
I don't agree 100% with Devin, but aren't you making a pretty dangerous argument? Taken to its logical conclusion wouldn't that also excuse the woman who sprawls across the armrest, the fat guy in sandals (!) with stinky feet, the dvd-sans-headphones watcher, and pretty much anyone who wants to whoop, pray, or sing out loud throughout the flight?

Devin assumes some risk(s) by getting on the flight, but shouldn't every ticketholding passenger also be required to assume some responsibility, to conduct themselves in a considerate manner under the circumstances?
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post #97 of 563
6/17/08 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
I knew there would be babies on board? Are you kidding me? These are the arguments? How would i know there were babies on board? This is dick shatteringly dumb.
I agree, it's INSANE that a cost-effective, large public conveyance traveling cross country would have a heterogenous group aboard.
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post #98 of 563
6/17/08 at 9:02pm
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I don't agree 100% with Devin, but aren't you making a pretty dangerous argument? Taken to its logical conclusion wouldn't that also excuse the woman who sprawls across the armrest, the fat guy in sandals (!) with stinky feet, the dvd-sans-headphones watcher, and pretty much anyone who wants to whoop, pray, or sing out loud throughout the flight?

Devin assumes some risk(s) by getting on the flight, but shouldn't every ticketholding passenger also be required to assume some responsibility, to conduct themselves in a considerate manner under the circumstances?
They're required to conduct themselves with the regulations set forth by the airlines and the FAA. That's it. Anything else is fair play, even if it sucks. Fortunately, we have other systems in place to deal with the problems that aren't covered by the rules.

EDIT: Mistakenly wrote FCC instead of FAA.
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post #99 of 563
6/17/08 at 9:05pm
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Fuck, when did I turn into Devin? I fly every month and it's maddening how many people are flat-out bad at it.

Sorry, he's right. Your kid doesn't really need to fly anywhere.
Yeah, family members who live cross-country don't want to see kids. You can leave an infant at home alone. Etc etc.

My worst deal with flying is the seats are too narrow. I mean, I know I could lose some weight, but the problem isn't my fat ass or beer gut - my SHOULDERS are too damn broad. It's like some form of torture devised by scrawny people who can't build up muscle mass.
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post #100 of 563
6/17/08 at 9:17pm
The solution that ends this argument = teleportation. Come on, scientists. Where's my Jaunt?
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