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Alien Resurrection (1997)

post #1 of 105
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Why does Resurrection look misspelled, always? What a shitty word.

I recently obtained the legendary Alien Quadrilogy set, and decided to start with the film that I had never seen in it's entirety (only in bits and pieces on AMC), Alien Ressurrection. Resurection. Resurrection. Even spelled right it looks misspelled. Godammit.

I'm glad I started with this film because it's (I think we'd all agree, unless you're one of those fools who thinks Alien 3 isn't good) the worst film of the series. But on it's own, it's kind of enjoyable. It's got a terribly overbearing score (I wonder how much of the film doesn't have music playing over it. 10%? 15%? Couldn't be more than 20%) and absolutely no sense of dread or atmosphere (something all three films before it did quite well), but it is often quite pretty to look at, it keeps things moving at a decent pace, and in the catagory of Hedya destruction, it's second only to Blood Simple.

Turning Ripley into a weird emotionally autistic Xeno-Sapien (not to be confused with Homo-Morph, which refers to Jake and Marcos slash-fic) is probably the film's worst choice, because it simultaneously kills the emotional core of the series and any sense that these poor humans don't stand a chance of survival. I mean, after the shit hits the fan, her re-introduction is her casually blowing an Alien away. Even if we had some sort of emotional investment in the Space Pirate characters (which we most definitely do not), we can't feel all that worried for them. They gotta Momma on their side. They should have pulled a Psycho and killed her off halfway through the movie. We'd be left with the half-baked characters, but at least there'd be a sense of danger.

All in all, it's just short enough and gooey enough that I don't hate it.

Next up, I give Aliens yet another try. After Reserection, I bet I'm going to appreciate it a whole lot more.
post #2 of 105
After going through the behind the scenes i lost a LOT of respect for Jean Pierre Jeaunet. He was just so damn happy to be working at hollywood that just said yes to anything.
He even says so smiling.

The film is shot VERY well. But the script is just bad. The new born is probably one of the worst choices in the history of the franchise. And Ripley while kinda interesting, is too different to have an emotional pull.

I do love Pearlman, the look of the aliens, Douriff and Gary Dourdan.
Oh and Winona is as hot as ever.
post #3 of 105
When I first bought the Quadrilogy, I immediately popped in this movie, thinking I should give it another chance as it's probably not as bad as I remember it being. I was right. It was worse. Nothing works in this movie, though visually it can be interesting at times (but that's Jeunet for you, I guess). It's just the perfect storm of the wrong writer coming together with the wrong director to make something that was neither needed nor wanted.

Still...at least the Quadrilogy made me appreciate Alien3 more, so there's that.
post #4 of 105
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Turning Ripley into a weird emotionally autistic Xeno-Sapien (not to be confused with Homo-Morph, which refers to Jake and Marcos slash-fic)
No you fucking didn't. Jesus, I know that shit is out there now.
post #5 of 105
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Next up, I give Aliens yet another try. After Reserection, I bet I'm going to appreciate it a whole lot more.
I doubt it, Whedon's attempt to emulate the macho dialogue from Aliens made me view it with an even harsher light.

I said it in the other thread but I enjoy the visual side of the film, stuff like the whisk-a-cube, bouncing grenades and steampunk sets are kinda cool. It's just a shame that Jeunet doesn't seem to be able to understand the tonality needed for the series. You're dead on about the lack of danger as well, there is never a point in the film where you feel like Jonner, Call or Ripley are going to die because there really is no threat from the creatures whatsover.

Also Alien 3 is such a great film in its extended form, it's probably my 2nd favourite film in the series in its new form.
post #6 of 105
Posted this over in the Quadrilogy thread:

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When I first saw Resurrection it was like my Phantom Menace. I was so, so pumped for the film - I had recently discovered Jean Pierre Jeunet's City of Lost Children and Delicatessen, and I was so excited that this incredible director was taking the helm of my favorite franchise. I picked up every magazine, downloaded every wallpaper, screensaver, etc. Hell I even went to see Speed 2 because the trailer for Resurrection was playing in front of it. It was the first film I really just got so super psyched over. I obsessed over every detail of it from the moment I read (in Parade of all places) that it was being made.

What a massive, massive dissapointment. I can watch parts of it today, but jesus the Newborn just sucks my soul.
post #7 of 105
I'm sure Warrior Angel has a script-at-hand for number 5 that will tie it ALL together.
post #8 of 105
My MAJOR problem with 'Resurrection' was it didn't know what kind of film it wanted to be...

And then I realised the answer was 'never filmed'.
post #9 of 105
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From the first 15 minutes, I really thought I was going to like the film. It seemed interesting, visually stunning and had little touches that made me feel more at home with the world (things like Hedya having to breathe into he security thing a second time because it didn't register the first time). Those kinds of touches are what made me settle into the blue-collar worlds of Alien and Aliens (Alien 3 works for me because the set design goes the opposite way, going bigger and more operatic). But those quickly were overtaken by long dull scenes of Ripley spouting out cryptic nonsense about "her babies" (that scene between her and Winona Ryder is painful to sit through) and the half-assed characterizations of the space pirates.
post #10 of 105
Yeah, it's a complete mess. I rented it a year ago, remembering that I thought it was pretty cool when I was thirteen.

I turned it off halfway through after realizing that I apparently had no taste whatsoever at thirteen.
post #11 of 105
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I wonder if my tolerance of the film has to do with the fact that I had heard how terrible it was for years, so I had no real expectations whatsoever.
post #12 of 105
Major plot mistake: Killing off Michael Wincott too early. Why? 'Alien 3' made the same mistake by killing off Charles Dance, too.
post #13 of 105
At least Dance's death had a purpose. Wincott went out like a bitch. That just shouldn't happen.
post #14 of 105
What he said!

killing the Clemens character so early on Alien3 was a huge mistake. He was terrific. I guess the point to kill Wincott early was to leave the Space Pirates leaderless so that they could follow Ripley.
post #15 of 105
Question: If you mix Xenomorph DNA with Ripley's genes, what do you get?

Answer: Willem Defoe
post #16 of 105
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Christie (double handgun dreadlock dude) felt much more like a leader than Ripley, though.
post #17 of 105
I've always dug Alien Resurrection. It was the only one that I saw in the theater, but I had already seen the others on tv and tape. It's just a plain old fashioned action flick. That's why I enjoy it. Well, that and Ron Perlman. He's magnificent in anything. Also Dominique Pinion has some hilarious moments. "Who you expecting, Santa Claus?"

Alien 3 is fantastic. Extended cut or theatrical. I really dig that flick.
post #18 of 105
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Originally Posted by Rene (Mr.Eko) View Post
Also Dominique Pinion has some hilarious moments. "Who you expecting, Santa Claus?"
My favorite is "like you've never fucked a robot."

And yes, kiling Elgin (Wincott) early was a mistake, but not as egregious as killing off Dance in 3.
post #19 of 105
Christie's death is such a cop out it's unreal.
post #20 of 105
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My favorite is "like you've never fucked a robot."

And yes, kiling Elgin (Wincott) early was a mistake, but not as egregious as killing off Dance in 3.
Love the robot bit too. He says it so nonchalantly that Johnner must have fucked quite a few robots.

Totally agree on killing off Dance in Alien 3. Every time I watch it, it's still shitty to see him get killed so quickly. Really sad that the other Charles (Dutton) got killed too at the end.
post #21 of 105
Yeah, he just gives up, The most bad ass character in the movie (even more than Jonner), also, since when do aliens spit acid?

Him and Jonner should have lived till the end. Blasting their way through aliens.
Most bad ass team up since Vazquez and Drake.
post #22 of 105
I make no bones about how much I hate this movie (it's worse than the first AVP by far, although nothing touches Requiem) but it has its interesting moments. Visually I dig most of the film, I like Dourdan, Pearlman (spelling that right or is it Perl), Wincott and Hedaya, and there are a few moments with the aliens that make me think the film is going on the right track (the tracking shot into the queen's cage at the beginning almost makes my head explode every single time I watch it and I like the scene with the aliens in the cage prior to their escape). But the rest of it is sooo bad. The newborn isn't even the worst part for me, I can't get past the guy with the wheelchair. When he comes out of the elevator and says "What were you expecting SANTA CLAUUUUSSSS?" I don't just grit my teeth I grind them together so hard my bottom ones go to powder. This isn't even touching on the cartoonishly over the top lesbian vibes between Ripley and Call, Douriff's monologue about butterflies, the acid spitting aliens (where the fuck did that come from?) and so many more moments that I just don't even want to think about. Fuck this movie.

EDIT: I love how between me going to post and actually getting it up there two moments I specifically single out were already talked about. Damn it.
post #23 of 105
Dance's death was intentional, though, it was another warning that Ripley was not getting out of this one well.
post #24 of 105
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
What he said!

killing the Clemens character so early on Alien3 was a huge mistake. He was terrific.
Clemens died so early for the same reason they killed off Hicks: to snatch away any chance Ripley had of regaining hope. If Clemens had been alive when Ripley discovers she's infected, she'd have a foothold, something resembling a shoulder to cry on. Instead, even though 86 is kind enough to help her out, she's fucking alone. It's incredibly sad and nihilistic, and much as I liked Dance's character, his death just adds an exclamation point in bold to that loneliness.

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Originally Posted by Rene (Mr.Eko) View Post
Really sad that the other Charles (Dutton) got killed too at the end.
At least he went out fighting. And I don't care who you are, lasting as long as he did, hand to hand, against a Xenomorph, swearing up a shitstorm the whole time, is just badass.
post #25 of 105
I want to learn how you can hold your breath for 5 minutes when you're:
- Power-swimming
- Carrying equipment
- Highly tensed up from the stress of the situation
- Being chased by Aliens.

That was some world/galaxy record breaking swimming, there.
post #26 of 105
Another great thing I like about Alien 3 is who ends up surviving at the end. Never thought it'd be Morse. Although it's cool that Ripley is the one who saves him, after his berating of her earlier.
post #27 of 105
They don't rise to the level of Hudson, Vasquez & Co., but I liked the space pirates well enough. The characters worked for what should've been the lighter, action-y entry of the franchise and Wincott, Pinion and Perlman bring more than enough goodwill to the table.

I agree, no one seemed to know what to do with Ripley's character, and Wynona's dull-as-dirt android (and what the fuck is her character's motivation throughout this thing, anyway?) pisses motor oil all over the work of Ian Holm and Lance Henriksen. But there's enough grimy Dan Hedaya and reliably creepy Dourif plus some beautiful visuals to make Alien Punchintheerection work...

BUT FOR the absolutely abyssmal creature design (and concept, really) of the newborn. And I haven't seen the dvd or any commentary, was this a new ending shot after an original take didn't screen well or something? The ending feels totally lazy and tacked on, from the sloppy Aliens rip off setup to the uber-cheap set for the newborn's last, weepy stand.

Signs and The Abyss may have been good enough to survive WTF endings (for me, I think I'm the only one who hates the ending of the latter) but AR is not of their ilk.
post #28 of 105
I haven't seen it in a while, but as I recall AR takes place several hundred years after A3. Wouldn't the technology look different? It would have been cool to have had the technology re-thought out, because the overall look of the film is interchangeable with A, As, and A3. This was another missed opportunity, production design wise.
post #29 of 105
I thought that was something that worked for the movie. We're hundreds of years later than the last movie, the science is better so they can finally clone Ripley, but it's like everything is wearing out. Even Weyland-Yutani has fallen, the breath scanners don't work, Earth is a shithole, it's like the entire race is growing decrepit in its old age.

I would've liked a sequel where the xenomorphs finally get to Earth, and it's such a crapfarm that hardly anyone can be bothered to care.
post #30 of 105
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Clemens died so early for the same reason they killed off Hicks: to snatch away any chance Ripley had of regaining hope. If Clemens had been alive when Ripley discovers she's infected, she'd have a foothold, something resembling a shoulder to cry on. Instead, even though 86 is kind enough to help her out, she's fucking alone. It's incredibly sad and nihilistic, and much as I liked Dance's character, his death just adds an exclamation point in bold to that loneliness.
You know, it's been awhile since I've watched A3 and I never looked at it from that angle. Interesting, and I like it. I was always disappointed that they killed him off just as his character was getting interesting. I suppose now that's the point.

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At least he went out fighting. And I don't care who you are, lasting as long as he did, hand to hand, against a Xenomorph, swearing up a shitstorm the whole time, is just badass.
That it is.
post #31 of 105
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Signs and The Abyss may have been good enough to survive WTF endings (for me, I think I'm the only one who hates the ending of the latter)
Well, have you only seen the theatrical ending? Because the director's cut clears up any WTF moments one might have with The Abyss, and elevates it to Cameron's best film.

Derail over.
post #32 of 105
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Back to our originally scheduled Alien 3 derail.
post #33 of 105
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Back to our originally scheduled Alien 3 derail.
You know, I may be alone, but I like Alien 3.

post #34 of 105
So do I, and I disagree that we were heading for a derail. A comparison of AR and A3 is valid, to a point. Most of the comments above referenced AR, so I don't see a derail...but that's just me.

Another scene that I always liked in AR: how the Aliens escape. The 3 Aliens are in that 'cage' and two of them sacrifice the one to get free. I thought that was done really well and belonged in a better Alien movie.
post #35 of 105
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I liked the idea (and how the victim alien was completely unwilling to be the escape plan) but the execution was a terrible mess of unclear shots and quick cuts. Considering it's the first real bit of Alien violence in the movie, it's pretty disappointingly shot.
post #36 of 105
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I liked the idea (and how the victim alien was completely unwilling to be the escape plan) but the execution was a terrible mess of unclear shots and quick cuts. Considering it's the first real bit of Alien violence in the movie, it's pretty disappointingly shot.
When I read that part in the script I was like "wow, that is so completely fucking awesome I don't know what to do with myself." When I saw it executed I knew exactly what to do with myself. Shake my head and sigh.
post #37 of 105
Well, it's been a while (years) since I saw the film so I will grant that you may be right in your assessment of that scene. I remember it being cool in that it showed that the aliens could solve a problem by thinking of a solution vs just being capable of ultra violence.
post #38 of 105
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If the film continued to progress the idea of the Aliens being much smarter, that'd be great. But they kind of abandon that idea when the military abandons the ship.
post #39 of 105
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also, since when do aliens spit acid?
When they've been birthed by a clone of a queen, I guess.
post #40 of 105
All this talk of Resurrection and the Room of Failed Experiments gets nary a mention.

Still the only thing, to me, that justifies that film's existence.
post #41 of 105
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That was pretty creepy.
post #42 of 105
Also, I'm going to look deep into all of your early posts to see who's posing here. I have NEVER seen this much love & defense for Alien3 in one little thread.
post #43 of 105
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The best part of these special features is the near 7 minute featurette just about Sigourney Weaver making that behind the back shot. They're much more excited about that swish than the rest of the film.
post #44 of 105
Pearlman breaking character makes it for me.
post #45 of 105
I remember watching that on the doc as well. Perlman broke character, as I recall, and they had to edit/shoot around his error.

edit: what Tati said.
post #46 of 105
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Also, I'm going to look deep into all of your early posts to see who's posing here. I have NEVER seen this much love & defense for Alien3 in one little thread.
My credentials form early 2007

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I managed to get some more goodness out of Alien 3, it's a flawed film, but the Director's Cut at least gives it a sense of order and makes it into a far grander, near operatic, end to the series.
http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100220

The room of failed experiments is interesting and creepy, but then it gets capped off with Jonner joking about amoo.

I must admit I have much love for the chest/head burster at the end. That little look Jonner and generic soldier give each other before they start shooting is probably one of the funnier things in the film.

And I have to echo what Justin said re: Alien 3

Alien 3 is all about stripping Ripley of her ties to humanity and life, having Dance live any longer would have given her too much comfort.
post #47 of 105
I've never understood the Alien 3 hate. Maybe cause I saw it too young. It's one of the more effective "you're fucked" movies I can think of.

As for AR, I haven't seen it since it came out. I hated it then, and I don't think I can give it another chance. Winona Ryder should not be in an Alien movie.
post #48 of 105
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Winona Ryder should not be in movies.
Fixed.
post #49 of 105
Oh, thanks. My mistake. Won't happen again.
post #50 of 105
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
also, since when do aliens spit acid?
Alien^3 - Dude scraping the shaft walls -'In the year 2525' - "Hey, Spike?"- *SPIT!!!* - "ARRRRGGGGHHH!!!" - I think I'll cool my burning flesh by rolling towards the slowly rotating fan....ACK!
[splatter]


I think that was the point.
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