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post #51 of 65
7/10/08 at 1:17am
Doesn't affect me, the US government long ago decided it was okay to listen to my phone calls. Still, sucks for you guys. This sets a very bad example.
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post #52 of 65
7/10/08 at 2:35am
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Originally Posted by PMR View Post
We're fucked.
This.
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post #53 of 65
7/10/08 at 3:35am


*wailing, paranoid fuck the government sax*
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post #54 of 65
7/10/08 at 3:53am
Who needs civil rights and rule of law and stuff anyway?
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post #55 of 65
7/10/08 at 11:52am
Congratulations, Orwell! Only off by about 24 years!
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post #56 of 65
7/10/08 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by Jan View Post
Who needs civil rights and rule of law and stuff anyway?
Pussies, that's who. USA! USA! USA! USA!
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post #57 of 65
7/10/08 at 2:22pm
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post #58 of 65
7/10/08 at 2:37pm
This is a pretty good read
The new FISA compromise: it's worse than you think
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post #59 of 65
7/10/08 at 3:16pm
Good read Tieman.

This bit especially:

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Originally Posted by Ars Technica
It also gives the feds unprecedented new latitude in selecting eavesdropping targets, latitude that could be used to collect information on non-terrorist-related activities like P2P copyright infringement and online gambling. In short, the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 opens up loopholes so large that the feds could drive a truck loaded down with purloined civil liberties through it.
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post #60 of 65
7/10/08 at 3:26pm
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It will take a people's movement on an epic scale to get Washington to take any action in the FISA debacle, the corruption of the justice dept, illegal corporate war profiteering and myriad other possibly criminal activities of this administration. Congress is not going to act without a groundswell of people demanding justice.
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post #61 of 65
7/10/08 at 3:30pm
Another read:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...-fisa-shi.html

So sad.
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post #62 of 65
7/10/08 at 3:46pm
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Thank God for the ACLU.

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Today elected officials in Washington sold out the Constitution -- again.

Cowed by the Bush administration's pre-election scare tactics, the Senate passed privacy-stealing FISA legislation undermining your Fourth Amendment rights.

It's outrageous, unconstitutional and un-American. That's why the ACLU is prepared to challenge this law the moment George Bush signs it -- and you can rest assured, they'll be meeting our lawyers in court.

Our lawsuit will send a powerful message to those in Congress who played it safe when they had the opportunity to defend the Constitution. You can join the ACLU in sending that message by signing on to our ad letting Congress know that if they won't stand up for freedom, you and the ACLU will.

We'll be taking out a full-page ad in a major national newspaper announcing our lawsuit and expressing our outrage at this abandonment of Constitutional principles. Our goal is to run an ad that contains the names of tens of thousands of Americans who believe in the Constitution and want Congress to hear us loud and clear: next time, stand up for our rights.

The bill that Congress passed and George Bush is about to sign codifies a Nixonian view on executive power that states, "if a president does it, it is not illegal." The ACLU doesn't believe that, and I'm guessing you don't either.

There has never been a more important moment to demonstrate to our leaders that we believe in freedom - not fear. Our ad will carry that simple message.

The more voices we add, the more powerful our message will be. We need tens of thousands of Americans, who are committed to defending the Constitution, to speak up and stand with us right now.

The bottom line is that no president should have the power to monitor the phones and emails of Americans without a warrant. And no president should have the power to pardon companies that broke the law. This bill was not a "compromise," as some in Congress would like you to believe. The only thing they compromised was your freedom.

George Bush will sign the FISA bill into law in a few short days, but that does not mean our fight is over.

Our lawyers are prepared to file a lawsuit challenging this unconstitutional legislation as soon as the ink dries on George Bush's signature. This is why it is so important that all of us add our names to the ACLU's newspaper ad.

Let our leaders know that you are standing up for freedom and standing with the ACLU.

Click here to include your name in the ACLU's FISA newspaper ad.

It's up to each of us to defend the Constitution. Thank you for standing with us.

Sincerely,

Anthony Romero
Executive Director, ACLU

ACLU
125 Broad Street, 18th Floor
New York, NY 10004
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post #63 of 65
7/10/08 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Aaron Sorkin in his script, "The American President"
Whatever your particular problem is, friend, I promise you, Bob Rumson is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it.
Olbermann dropped that reference recently in regards to this whole thing.
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post #64 of 65
7/10/08 at 3:54pm
The way to get this revoked is to use it to spy on Republicans then wait for them to explain why having the power to do so is a bad thing. Agree with them, vote it off the books, and carry on cleaning up the next turd Bush left you.
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post #65 of 65
7/10/08 at 4:10pm
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For me, the upshot of all of this is that the Republicans will use every tool in their arsenal, legal or not, to continue to control this country, including using these powers to tamper with candidates in regional elections and national elections alike. When you take a good, long look at the Don Siegelman case, their willingness to go down that road becomes crystal clear. This latest development - the unwillingness of certain dems in Congress to stand up to the administration - leads me to believe that Obama's chances of beating McCain in the 2009 "election" have dimmed just in the last 24 hours.
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