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post #1 of 3530
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It's okay to good. It's more consistently good than BEGINS, with no serious third act fuckery. Batman does some detective work, but it's mostly him doing James Bond shit, and there's one scifi element too far for me.

Bale's a guest star. The movie is all about Eckhart, Oldman and Ledger. The truth remains that Batman's the least interesting character in his universe. Ledger's Joker is very much his own creation. Strong work.

There are a lot of great scenes, but the movie's overstuffed. There's a trip to Hong Kong that adds almost twenty minutes to the movie total (including time wasted on Bruce Wayne's alibi) that should have been excised at the script stage. It's not a BAD scene by any means, but it's extraneous in a film that already feels too pudgy.

The Joker may be a little too supernatural - he's able to get huge bombs into places at the drop of a hat and without anyone noticing. You can get away with that once but the film has too many scenes pivot around that concept.

This is post release, so you're getting some spoilers here. Beware.

If anyone can explain why Gordon fakes his own death, I'd appreciate it. He says it's to 'protect his family' but he certainly isn't the only person around with a family, he's not on the Joker's hit list and the whole idea is so ridiculously complicated as to be silly. Doesn't kill the film, but is another element that really doesn't add anything but running time.
post #2 of 3530
I only have two questions:

1.) Has Nolan learned how direct an action sequence?
2.) Did Batman turn his head without moving his whole body in this film? Has the impossible really happened?
post #3 of 3530
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No. The action is shitty. The car chase scene is a nightmare.

They make a joke about Batman turning his head, so I have to imagine they fixed it, but I didn't notice. They didn't make Batman much better at problem solving than the first one, though. He has a scene where the Joker makes the hostages look like clown gang guys and, rather than call Gordon (we previously saw that Batman has his cell number) and warn the cops not to shoot the clowns, he just beats the shit out of the SWAT team for five minutes.
post #4 of 3530
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Originally Posted by wadew1 View Post
I only have two questions:

1.) Has Nolan learned how direct an action sequence?
2.) Did Batman turn his head without moving his whole body in this film? Has the impossible really happened?
I second those questions.

Your assessment seems fair, Devin. look forward to your review.
post #5 of 3530
Fuck you Devin, you just don't get......

Oh you liked it?

I'm just kidding of course, I've never had a problem with you disliking Batman, and I certainly won't disagree that at times he's the most disinteresting part of the story.

The sci-fi element you mentioned has me intrigued though.

Did you like the chase in the first one? Albeit however distracting from the story you found it did you at least think it was well-executed?
post #6 of 3530
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Batman magically turns every cellphone in Gotham City into a sonar transmitter or something so that he can see through walls and shit and Lucius Fox can sit in a room and look at every person in Gotham. Real dumb.
post #7 of 3530
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
No. The action is shitty. The car chase scene is a nightmare.

They make a joke about Batman turning his head, so I have to imagine they fixed it, but I didn't notice. They didn't make Batman much better at problem solving than the first one, though. He has a scene where the Joker makes the hostages look like clown gang guys and, rather than call Gordon (we previously saw that Batman has his cell number) and warn the cops not to shoot the clowns, he just beats the shit out of the SWAT team for five minutes.
Wow, that's shitty. Really shitty.
post #8 of 3530
Batman is the new Chuck Norris.
post #9 of 3530
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Batman magically turns every cellphone in Gotham City into a sonar transmitter or something so that he can see through walls and shit and Lucius Fox can sit in a room and look at every person in Gotham. Real dumb.
Sounds like it.
post #10 of 3530
Devin, how's the Two-Face make-up look compared to the leaked photo from awhile back?
post #11 of 3530
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Bale's a guest star. The movie is all about Eckhart, Oldman and Ledger. The truth remains that Batman's the least interesting character in his universe. Ledger's Joker is very much his own creation. Strong work.
Oy.

One of the things "Begins" had going for it (despite it's many, many flaws) is you could honestly say it was the first live action film to actually be about Batman. Radical! Having second tier villains definitely helped that concept, but now it seems the cool villains supposedly steal the show again.
post #12 of 3530
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Devin, how's the Two-Face make-up look compared to the leaked photo from awhile back?
Exact same.
post #13 of 3530
One question and then I'm out of here. How close was that leaked concept art to Two-Face's final look in the film?

edit-nevermind, beaten.
post #14 of 3530
Shitty action, dumb sci-fi element, 2 and a half hours including useless Hong Kong section. So I'm understanding the main reason to see this is the character stuff (Gordon, The Joker and Dent)?
post #15 of 3530
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Originally Posted by Aquafresh View Post
Your assessment seems fair, Devin.
Not going to start up that discussion here, but this comment made me laugh heartily.

ETA- Glad to see the response was generally positive, though. I always want to like these superhero movies, I just rarely do.
post #16 of 3530
yawn no surprise here coming from the guy who rated fantastic four better than batman begins
post #17 of 3530
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Not going to start up that discussion here, but this comment made me laugh heartily.
Me too.
post #18 of 3530
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yawn no surprise here coming from the guy who rated fantastic four better than batman begins
And here come the fucktards!
post #19 of 3530
So is Ledgers strong work oscar strong, or is that a dumb query in relation to a batman movie?
post #20 of 3530
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So is Ledgers strong work oscar strong, or is that a dumb query in relation to a batman movie?
If he was alive no one would ask that after seeing the movie.
post #21 of 3530
Were there any "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you"-esque moments that really hurt the film for you? And by 'okay to good,' are we talking a grade of 7.0 or so?
post #22 of 3530
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If he was alive no one would ask that after seeing the movie.
Come on, I'm sure daveanator might have asked...
post #23 of 3530
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Come on, I'm sure daveanator might have asked...
but i didnt
post #24 of 3530
Better action sequences: Iron Man or The Dark Knight?
post #25 of 3530
Should I be concerned about being disappointed by this movie, or is this guy just trying to find ways to not like this movie?
post #26 of 3530
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Were there any "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you"-esque moments that really hurt the film for you? And by 'okay to good,' are we talking a grade of 7.0 or so?
Batman does dumb shit throughout. He tries to quit being Batman because the Joker says he'll kill more people if he doesn't turn himself in. That doesn't ruin the movie for me in the same way - the film is on thematic message and sticks with it, unlike BEGINS - but it's irritating that he's so dumb.
post #27 of 3530
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Better action sequences: Iron Man or The Dark Knight?
There are a lot more in TDK. Some are pretty good, but Nolan never saw a fight scene he didn't want to obscure in some way.

Batman beats up four dogs over the course of the movie, so I guess TDK takes the prize.
post #28 of 3530
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Better action sequences: Iron Man or The Dark Knight?
batman
post #29 of 3530
Thanks for the answers, Devin. Appreciate it.
post #30 of 3530
The internet really is the home of 12 year olds.
post #31 of 3530
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There are a lot more in TDK. Some are pretty good, but Nolan never saw a fight scene he didn't want to obscure in some way.

Batman beats up four dogs over the course of the movie, so I guess TDK takes the prize.
That was always my biggest problem with Batman Begins. The lack of dog beatings I mean.

I don't know what it is with Nolan and action sequences. I bought why there were done that way in Batman Begins but doing it twice seems to me to be just a poor choice to say the least.

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Thanks for the answers, Devin. Appreciate it.
Seconded. I hope the debates aren't as fucked as they were in 2005 (wasn't a board member but I read all the threads) for your sake.
post #32 of 3530
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The internet really is the home of 12 year olds.
And emotionally stunted socially retarded 30 year olds.
post #33 of 3530
I liked it. Didn't love it. So much good stuff, it's a shame some of the story and editing decisions threw it out of whack. Ledger, Eckhart, and Oldman ROCK.
post #34 of 3530
I always forget about Nick until about ten posts in.
post #35 of 3530
I thought it might be just an LA thing so I wasn't sure if we'd hear from Nick. So maybe Russ'll pipe in soon too.

EDIT: Ah.
post #36 of 3530
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Nick's in LA. He saw it with me.
post #37 of 3530
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Batman beats up four dogs over the course of the movie, so I guess TDK takes the prize.
Any of them named Ace?
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Nick's in LA. He saw it with me.
Was there cuddling after?
post #38 of 3530
There was cuddling throughout. We also solved the problems with wheelchair marathons.
post #39 of 3530
Sorry to hear Nolan hasn't improved in the action department. I figured he'd forget the shaky-cam because of the IMAX-format, wonder how that will work out..?
post #40 of 3530
The most horrifying headache ever.
post #41 of 3530
If only I had that Scanners gif handy I could demonstrate....
post #42 of 3530
Yep, Hellboy 2 is going to be kickass.
post #43 of 3530
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post
Ledger, Eckhart, and Oldman ROCK.
The Bale not mentioned by the Nunz.

Double oy.
post #44 of 3530
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The Bale not mentioned by the Nunz.

Double oy.
Bale wasn't the star of Batman Begins either.
post #45 of 3530
So, Devin: Spider-Man 3 or Dark Knight? Which stumbles more than it succeeds, best of intentions not withstanding?
post #46 of 3530
Reading the SHH boards makes me lose faith in humanity. Do they even realise how fucking nuts they sound? Are they even for real?

They claim that a reviewer must be unbiased when seeing a film, but yet they bash everyone that have some complaints, while praising those who liked it. And they really, really, really love Devin:

"BTW, Nick was far more of a fan of Begins than Devin, although working with Devin no doubt has influenced his opinion on both movies quite a bit. If I had that propaganda constantly rammed down my throat, I'd hate Begins too."

"the guy basically insulted ledger, you can't get any lower...can you?"

"for what he said about ledger he should have the wrath the god bestowed upon him."
post #47 of 3530
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Reading the SHH boards makes me lose faith in humanity. Do they even realise how fucking nuts they sound? Are they even for real?

They claim that a reviewer must be unbiased when seeing a film, but yet they bash everyone that have some complaints, while praising those who liked it. And they really, really, really love Devin:

"BTW, Nick was far more of a fan of Begins than Devin, although working with Devin no doubt has influenced his opinion on both movies quite a bit. If I had that propaganda constantly rammed down my throat, I'd hate Begins too."

"the guy basically insulted ledger, you can't get any lower...can you?"

"for what he said about ledger he should have the wrath the god bestowed upon him."
I assume that all of those quotes are directly from the Batman section, so their adamant defense isn't unexpected.

There are a lot of Bat fans out there that will discredit anything Devin says about this movie. He's made it well know for the past 6 months or so that he hasn't been standing in the kool-aid line all hyped into the stratosphere like the rest of the Nolan-Bale-Bat fans have been. I would like to see his full review that might be more vicious in a way than these late nights postings.
post #48 of 3530
Sounds as though Oldman's better-used this time around. If so, that's a plus.
post #49 of 3530
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Originally Posted by Jexxon View Post
Reading the SHH boards makes me lose faith in humanity. Do they even realise how fucking nuts they sound? Are they even for real?

They claim that a reviewer must be unbiased when seeing a film, but yet they bash everyone that have some complaints, while praising those who liked it. And they really, really, really love Devin:
I wish I hadn't hadn't popped over there to take a look...

"he may not be geeking out over it but he is against it more than for it so it is still biased."

The strangest thing is that there's a couple of people over there that refuse to believe Devin when he says the Two-Face make-up/cg is the same as the leaked pic. These are people who haven't actually seen the film. Their reasoning? The two seconds of jawline you can barely make out in that clip that was released. Amazing.
post #50 of 3530
When Nolan, Bale, and Goyer initially all signed up for Batman Begins, they stated that they had a very, very rough idea for a Batman trilogy. Then around the time BB hit, Nolan acted like BB was going to be the only Batman movie he was going to make.............despite the fact that he left BB wide open for a Joker-centric sequel (which was apparently planned all along).

When he officially signed up for The Dark Knight, he again talked of doing TDK and then a third film afterwards to finish the trilogy. Now, yet again, he's stating in interviews that he isn't really considering doing a third one at the moment and feels that the story is complete as is.

So, after my little rant there, I guess my question to Devin & Nick (and whoever else saw it) is this....

Are things set up at the end of The Dark Knight for another film? Basically, is Nolan blowing smoke up our ass again? Or is he right in saying that all major plotlines are concluded and there doesn't seem to be a clear path that a third film would tread down?

Oh, and one more question. Is Two-Face a major factor in the film after all or do we only get a few scenes with him before the credits role?
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