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post #201 of 3530
6/29/08 at 1:01am
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Originally Posted by S-Mart View Post
So this thread is a focused film discussion about the dark knight right?
No. That would be too sensible.
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post #202 of 3530
6/29/08 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by Muharulz View Post
This thread needs an enema!

I know a lot of Bat fans hate it but I love the 89 version. So goddamn fun and everything from Keaton, the suit, the batmobile to the look of Gotham hits all the right notes for me and I think the tower finale is one of the most memorable I've ever seen.
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post #203 of 3530
6/29/08 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by erik myers View Post
So...I'm confused. How exactly was I "outed"...?

And the sadder part is that somebody remembered who I was all these years later.
The even sadder part is that you're still around and dishing out the same tired and fucking sad shit that you were apparently years ago.

The even sadder part than that is that you're going to be living in your mother's house probably past the cow's expiration date.

There, you want to launch personal attacks against Devin, there's a taste of your own medicine fucktard.

(The irony of all this being that if you read the Infants on Airplanes thread I'm sure it seems like I loathe Devin (he might loathe me, I don't know and I don't care)
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post #204 of 3530
6/29/08 at 1:49am
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post #205 of 3530
6/29/08 at 2:10am
God dammit, Venkman, why you gotta do that?
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post #206 of 3530
6/29/08 at 2:12am
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin View Post
God dammit, Venkman, why you gotta do that?
Because there are better things to talk about then how Devin is or is not a dick!

so how about those failed Superman movies huh!
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post #207 of 3530
6/29/08 at 2:22am
The funniest thing about this argument is that it's gone on for almost 3 pages and Devin himself is not actually part of it....actually thats whats funny about every argument that is started over Devin.

Theres two thoughts of mind. One, Devin is kind of pushing hard for everyone to think that this film isn't amazing and that Heath Ledger was not oscar worthy (to the point where he even posted something along the lines of "Heath Ledger wouldn't be considered an oscar contender if he didn't kill himself" on Jeff Wells blog)

BUT!!! at the same time, you have some people that are way too butt hurt over Devin's approach to talking about the film. Both sides seem to be going overboard.
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post #208 of 3530
6/29/08 at 2:56am
The Superman/Metallo script floating around the internet wasn't bad. Had a cameo from Wonderwoman that was kinda odd though.

Kevin Smith's was worse than AIDS.
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post #209 of 3530
6/29/08 at 3:38am
Each time I see how long the Batman threads get with all the bickering, my desire to see TDK gets smaller and smaller.
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post #210 of 3530
6/29/08 at 4:50am
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erik myers, first class meltdown. Truly one of the better meltdowns we've had in a while. You have the perfect mixture of angry and pathetic.

HappyCat called me KFC in his first post. KFC was a favored nickname for me by the Scorched Planet people, so I'm banking he's a troll from the old days. Whatever he's posting is just to get you arguing.
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post #211 of 3530
6/29/08 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
Hellboy is childish too, yes. Are you agreeing with me? It's fantasy.
Hellboy is as childish as vampires and werewolves. There is a lot of horror and gore in there.

6 pages into 'BPRD: The Dead' TPB I find a reanimated monster skeleton uttering the phrase:
"I will paint my face with the blood of your sons, and your daughters bellies will burst with my seed, and the night sky will find me dancing"

I don't particularly want to explain to a child what the phrase 'your daughters bellies will burst with my seed' means.

We've had discussions about the 'darkness' in superhero comics before and whether it is appropriate. In Hellboy it is. The stories stem from folklore, myth, and pulpy horror all of which had pre-existing violence and dark themes. One of the reason the concept works is the Hero's down to earth attitude is a counterpoint to the bloodthirsty creatures of the void.

Specifically on the word, 'childish', I don't think it has a target demographic. Mike Mignola made a comic full of everything he liked. Monsters punching other monsters. I don't try to read too much more into it than that.

* I'm aware that in a thread already plagued by over-zealous comic fans desparately attempting to justify their adoration for a particular character, I'm essentially doing the same thing
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post #212 of 3530
6/29/08 at 5:20am
For the record, I hope that SHH takes part in a mass suicide over Devin's review. I'm seriously fucking sick of the hyperbole to the point that I don't give two tugs of a dead dog's cock about TDK anymore. Thanks for ruining this movie for me, internet.
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post #213 of 3530
6/29/08 at 5:49am
When I was a kid my favorite books at the library were the 20 page books dedicated to the famous monsters of filmland (all of which had a King Kong picture at the back... damn, I wish I could find them, just to have them).

What I mean by childish, isn't necessary something that is G rated, and Del Toro and Mignola certainly include nuance in their work, but that escapism is the primary goal of the work. Again, there are grays here that makes this awkward for me, but there is a level to this sort of escapist art that is inherently childish.
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post #214 of 3530
6/29/08 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
When I was a kid my favorite books at the library were the 20 page books dedicated to the famous monsters of filmland (all of which had a King Kong picture at the back... damn, I wish I could find them, just to have them).
You mean these?
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post #215 of 3530
6/29/08 at 5:56am
OMG Yes.
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post #216 of 3530
6/29/08 at 5:57am

This Just In: Hating Devin is so four years ago.

I fucking hate SHH. So much fan bullshit.

Let it be know...I am a Batman fan, always have been, since my early days of childhood, and I care not that Devin disliked Batman Begins. Do I understand it? Kinda. (except for the Fantastic Four thing...I just don't get that one...but I don't hate)

I look forward to Devin's review for several reasons.

A) he's a damned good writer, and entertaining to boot.

B) I always like to see all ends of the spectrum when it comes to film reviews. I know I will go ga-ga over this movie, just based on the characters it contains, and as such, reading a real reveiw that treats this as any other film is good to bring me down from my "ZOMGBATMANWASSOGREATGUISE!!" stupor that I will be in on the 18th.

So...fuck the haters.

It's good to hear the Hype-fans getting their panties in a bunch...brings a smile to my face. (HA Joker Reference. I rule. *sigh*)
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post #217 of 3530
6/29/08 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by Abbott & Prospero View Post
You mean these?
This sent me straight to eBay.
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post #218 of 3530
6/29/08 at 6:02am
You too? That was my favorite corner of the library. It was also near the library's Dynamite collection.
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post #219 of 3530
6/29/08 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
When I was a kid my favorite books at the library were the 20 page books dedicated to the famous monsters of filmland (all of which had a King Kong picture at the back... damn, I wish I could find them, just to have them).

What I mean by childish, isn't necessary something that is G rated, and Del Toro and Mignola certainly include nuance in their work, but that escapism is the primary goal of the work. Again, there are grays here that makes this awkward for me, but there is a level to this sort of escapist art that is inherently childish.
Escapism is fair enough. There's a little going on regarding nature vs nurture, some fun character work , a bit of adventure and a few frights, but in general I'm hardly going to learn anything about the human condition from Hellboy.

Heading back to Batman, the issue with many of the Marvel/DC heroes is it's not only escapism. A core appeal is wish fulfilment. Seeing heroes carry out impossible feats far beyond the abilities of modern man. Characters are defined by powers rather than character.

A poster, possibly in the pre-release thread, explained that Batman was their favourite character because unlike most heroes, Batman's abilities were virtually attainable by an actual person. Not because Batman cared so much for the common man, or showed determination in a dire situation. It was purely about the things he could do.

Escapism applies to people of all ages. The aspect of wish fulfilment is something probably more skewed to the younger set.
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post #220 of 3530
6/29/08 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by Bailey
If you'll allow us to tag you, we'll release you back into the wild.
For some reason this had me laughing this morning. Thanks for that.
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post #221 of 3530
6/29/08 at 8:09am
Is the Joker dead by the end?
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post #222 of 3530
6/29/08 at 7:44pm
Ledger was planned for the next film, so my guess is no...

Here's a question. Is the Joker all wrapped up by the end or does this movie pull a Dead Mans Chest bullshit part of a bigger picture move?
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post #223 of 3530
6/29/08 at 8:01pm
I went through the thread but couldn't find an answer as to whether or not the movie should be rated R or somehow got by on a PG-13 because it's a summer superhero blockbuster. Anyone care to enlighten me?
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post #224 of 3530
6/29/08 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Batman does dumb shit throughout. He tries to quit being Batman because the Joker says he'll kill more people if he doesn't turn himself in. That doesn't ruin the movie for me in the same way - the film is on thematic message and sticks with it, unlike BEGINS - but it's irritating that he's so dumb.
I don't understand how this makes him dumb.
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post #225 of 3530
6/29/08 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Batman does dumb shit throughout. He tries to quit being Batman because the Joker says he'll kill more people if he doesn't turn himself in. That doesn't ruin the movie for me in the same way - the film is on thematic message and sticks with it, unlike BEGINS - but it's irritating that he's so dumb.
I don't understand how this makes him dumb.
It must be irritating to be so dumb!
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post #226 of 3530
6/29/08 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
This sent me straight to eBay.
QFT..on my way to ebay right now!
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post #227 of 3530
6/29/08 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
This sent me straight to eBay.
Oh man, those books were the best.
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post #228 of 3530
6/29/08 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3 View Post
I don't understand how this makes him dumb.
Because somehow capitulating to the demands of the insane guy makes sense? That's just from a logical point of view, not even from the point of view of Batman the character.
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post #229 of 3530
6/30/08 at 2:43am
So...aside from angering the male-patterned mob, how did the Zimmer/Howard collaboration sound in the auditorium?
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post #230 of 3530
6/30/08 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Because somehow capitulating to the demands of the insane guy makes sense? That's just from a logical point of view, not even from the point of view of Batman the character.
I didn't say it made sense. But how can you not see it as understandible, given the situation? If Batman is constantly being proven to be ineffective, like some reviews are saying, that's going to play into Bruce's head. Again, I haven't seen the film, but I can see how someone can be hit down so hard that their judgment can lapse.
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post #231 of 3530
6/30/08 at 1:09pm
Moriarty's review is outstanding, imo.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37285
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post #232 of 3530
6/30/08 at 1:14pm
Agreed. Moriarty is my favorite reviewer over there as is Quint.
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post #233 of 3530
6/30/08 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
Moriarty's review is outstanding, imo.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37285

IGN's is pretty good too.
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post #234 of 3530
6/30/08 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
You too? That was my favorite corner of the library. It was also near the library's Dynamite collection.
Wow I completely forgot about those books, we had a library in the private middle school I went too and for some reason it had the whole collection of those. The creature from the Black Lagoon was one that scared the shit out of me when I was a kid so I never gave that movie a chance, btw nice review Mori
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post #235 of 3530
6/30/08 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
Moriarty's review is outstanding, imo.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37285
That is a fantastic piece of writing, bash Harry all you want but as long as Mori, Beaks, Quint and Capone are around I'll never stop at least visting AICN.

EDIT: I do kind of wish he'd broken it up into two though because I think Hellboy gets a little lost in that piece at times.
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post #236 of 3530
6/30/08 at 10:27pm
Devin, just caught your interview on "Attack of The Show."

I gotta say, I appreciate your honesty, and you raise true points concerning the hyperbole surrounding this film. I myself was caught up in the hype of Batman Begins, and I really didn't sit down and actually critique the film devoid of bias until a few months later when things died down. It'll be interesting to see how this film is viewed after enough time has passed to let it sink in.
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post #237 of 3530
6/30/08 at 10:27pm
Devin's appearance on Attack of the Show discussing Dark Knight is online (is it cool to post this?) http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/...rk-Knight.html

Didn't realize how lovable he comes off on television. Good segment, Devin.
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post #238 of 3530
6/30/08 at 11:32pm
Whoa, Moriarty got Tiny Lister Jr's phone number!
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post #239 of 3530
7/1/08 at 6:07am
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I’ve always felt that when the Joker makes a joke, he should be the only one who laughs while everyone else is busy cowering in fear or throwing up.
I love Moriarty a-plenty, but this sentence sums up the distance between how I feel, and today's breed of fanboys. What the hell sort of Batman movie approaches kid material this way? Apparently, one that today's literal-minded audiences love. Ah well, there's always Jack Nicholson.
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post #240 of 3530
7/1/08 at 6:14am
I don't see what's so particularly off base about wanting to see a Joker like that, especially since one of the main CHUD guys (Nick? Devin? Justin?) said years back that their ideal Joker would be the kind of guy who'd be cackling like a maniac and then randomly commit an act of violence on whoever was nearest.

And even if Batman is kid's stuff, what's wrong with villains with real menace to them? I know as a kid I preferred stuff where the bad guys actually scared me a bit as opposed to just being Snidely Whiplash.
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post #241 of 3530
7/1/08 at 7:24am
I was hoping all of the spoilers would be posted by now so I wouldn't have to wade through so much worthless back and forth bull shit.
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post #242 of 3530
7/1/08 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Paul McCartney View Post
I love Moriarty a-plenty, but this sentence sums up the distance between how I feel, and today's breed of fanboys. What the hell sort of Batman movie approaches kid material this way? Apparently, one that today's literal-minded audiences love. Ah well, there's always Jack Nicholson.
I know some people think every photo and piece of Ledger-Joker footage is "Absolutely Chilling and Disturbing!", but his nerdy anarchist voice makes me lol most of the time.

Oh you'll see!
AH'LL SHOW YUH!
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post #243 of 3530
7/1/08 at 12:10pm
Why does a Batman movie have to be for kids? We already have two kiddie Batmans they can watch and enjoy (Batman Forever and Batman and Robin).
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post #244 of 3530
7/1/08 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
Oh man, those books were the best.
I wish I still had mine. Thank you Batman thread, you have indeed made me happy again.
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post #245 of 3530
7/2/08 at 9:40pm
Devin,

Is Two-Face a major player in this film, or just a tease for the inevitable third film?
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post #246 of 3530
7/2/08 at 9:45pm
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Read the thread.
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post #247 of 3530
7/2/08 at 10:07pm
I have and never really found a straight answer. It's obvious that he has at least a decent amount of screentime and that he might be deemed as "underused", but other than that not much has been mentioned outside of Eckhart's performance. So I'm left thinking this.....

A). Either Two-Face is introduced, used a bit, and left in play for future use.

or

B). We've got another Venom scenario (ala Spider-Man 3), where a major villain is "created" and permanently dealt with during the last third or fourth of a film.......when they easily could have (and probably should have) been saved for the next installment.
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post #248 of 3530
7/2/08 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
To the Two Face question: he dies at the end.
You didn't read the thread.
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post #249 of 3530
7/2/08 at 10:15pm
Damn, I don't know how I missed that. And twice at that! Thanks for answering me anyway though, Devin!
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post #250 of 3530
7/2/08 at 10:19pm
One more question and then I'll quit bugging you....

So is it the Spidey 3 scenario where he feels wasted (as Two-Face, anyway) or does the character's arc feel complete (or complete enough)?
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