CHUD Fantasy Football 2008 - Page 2

I can make the rookie pick in whatever round we want. What round would we give up for a rookie keeper, so people can decide if they want to keep one or not.

** I think it should be round 4 so everyone gets three picks a piece (+ their 3 keepers) before the rookie is replaced **

I was thinking the rookie was more of an add on and should take the last draft spot. Sure if you have Adrian Peterson it's no big deal to keep a rookie but no way am I using a 4th rd pick on Anthony Gonzalez.

I vote for the rookie taking the final round spot if at all.

more comments. I'll go whatever way the majority wants. It has to take some spot in the draft though, because some teams dont have a rookie, so they have to fill their team

A 4th rounder is definitely too high. I have rookie Greg Olsen, but I'd take a 4th round pick over him any day of the week. I'd say either the rookie counts as your last pick, or whatever round pick it would be after the number in the starting lineup--so if you start 1 QB, 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D, then your rookie counts as Round 9's pick.

The obvious exception to this are the Adrian Petersons of the world...or just put it in the middle. If we have 16 rounds, then make the rookie your 8th rounder.

Now, as Devil's Advocate I could say, if you don't feel your rookie is the equivalent of a 4th rounder, then get rid of him and take the 4th round pick instead. For AD, I would definitely keep him over a 4th rounder. But is he the only one? Shit, I don't know. I'd prefer not keeping a rookie + the 3 players, but I got out-voted last time.

although it would probably be fairest doing it based on who the actual rookie you are keeping is (adrian peterson is equivalent to a 4th round pick at least), but if you are keeping mason crosby, you shouldnt be losing a 4thround pick.

Then the question becomes, who dictates the worth of the rookies.

I also think just giving up a last round pick no matter who the rookie you keep will also lead to huge discrepancies.

It looks like 2 teams have rookies that are worthy of a high draft pick. Most everyone else have options that might be valuable, but shouldn't take the place of a higher draft pick.

It all comes down to whether or not we said that we would be keeping a rookie or not. It sounds like that rule was never set in stone.

So, the people who do not have a rookie to keep shouldn't have an advantage over those of us who have a not-so-valuable pick. If we decide that some teams dont want to carry over a rookie, then those of us who have one (like mine, a kicker) should not have to give up any pick to keep him. The rookie keeper, if optional, should be counted as the last round pick.

edited to add: I agree with Fazer

Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch are both 1st or 2nd round picks. Everyone else is not. I have Dwayne Bowe which I wouldn's mind keeping.

We could always make the round you lose be based on where the rookie is ranked. We would use the default rankings on Yahoo.

Examples are:

Adrian Peterson (#2) - Lose the first round pick
Marshawn Lynch (#11) - Lose a first round pick
Selvin Young (#63) - Lose a sixth round pick
Dwayne Bowe (#64) - Lose a sixth round pick
Anthony Gonzalez (#91) - Lose a eighth round pick
Greg Olson (#140) - Lose a twelvth round pick
Mason Crosby (#176) - Lose a last round pick

I don't think losing a first round pick is a bad deal either, since I am sure a few teams would take Adrian before it got to be their owner's turn. It just secures him for your team.

There is no way myself or Lynch's owner should lose a first round pick. we all knew this was a keeper league last year when we made our picks. I picked Peterson early thinking he was going to split time with Taylor for most of the year. If we were smart enough to know to pick young guys in a keeper leage early we should not be penalized for it. After thinking about it I think the people who didnt take a rookie should lose a top 5 or 6 round pick we all knew last year this was a keeper it's not my fault people didn't have the foresight to pick some decent rookies.

As it looks now, the keeping of a rookie is really the most fair plan, and I think everyone needs to follow this rule. If you don't have a rookie to keep, then you lose that advantage of carrying 4 players into the next year. You do not gain any benefit for not keeping one.

Again, if the rule was set in stone, then make the last pick of the draft the rookie pick, and those that dont keep a rookie can pick anyone that's left. You can't penalize someone for following the rules of rookie keeper.

Wease got a HUGE advantage. He has the a top 3 RB (if not #1), and because he was a rookie, he can carry someone else as his 3rd keeper. The whole 3 keepers + rookie is going to help him more than anyone else. But that's how we designed the keeper rules. Someone was bound to gain a spectacular advantage. That's what he gets.

For me, my kicker is merely a benefit for me of not having to draft one at all. But there is no way I am going to let a kicker take any other position on my draft than last pick. And think about it, should you have to worry when your sixth round pick comes (which is probably your 3rd pick) that someone is available better than D. Bowe? You shouldn't have to worry about your rookie if someone better is available at that time.

I agree. It may seem a bit unfair that Peterson and Lynch get kept with a low draft choice but that's the way it goes.

Since I didn't get a stud rookie like I wanted I took a gamble on Gonzalez and kept him on my roster the entire year after drafting him in hopes Harrison would go down this year or next. He did and had a couple good games down the stretch. I could have dropped him for a more established starter but I kept him because it was a keeper league and thought his value would increase to a possible stud #2 by his 3rd season after getting him free in season 2.

But I never thought it would cost me the 4th round pick. While in our discussions it was never said where the rookie would be slated on draft day I thought it was implied that it was just an add on player.

For those that don't have a rookie, use the last round(like I did) to take a gamble on a WR/orQB of the future. Or if you have a top 3 pick take a rookie RB. There are a couple who will play and you can get them cheap next year.

Unless Harrison goes out he's not close to that.

Honestly, I played to win this year, and actually picked up Olsen again just before the end of the season so I would have a rookie. I had drafted Jones from Green Bay, but apparently I dropped him, although I don't remember doing that at all. If he had still been on my team, I would've happily kept him.

So, does everyone want to make it only a end of draft extra pick for those without a rookie to make their 16 man roster.

I don't care one way or the other. Only Wease is coming out of this at a huge advantage, and i would say he deserves it for picking Adrian last year.

I'll go with the consensus. I don't have a rookie, so I shouldn't vote. but if we decide to make wease give me his rookie, I'll support that.

Honestly, if we get the choice of a last round pick vs. our rookie, I'll take the draft pick, and you can axe my rookie from my "keepers".

I mean, I think it's to your advantage to be able to keep 3 guys and 1 great rookie, so that's one less position you have to worry about.

I am ok with the rookie being a last round pick. So just for clarification I have never been in a kepper league before and I dont know how Yahoo handles it but are out keepers on our team before we start drafting or do I wait to pick Peterson with my last round pick becuase noone can draft him.

Ugh. Can I change my keepers, period? Ryan Grant is pissing me off.

I would assume so. Care to trade him?

Give me 24 hours to think about it. I've made a few rash, emotional decisions the past few weeks, and I've regretted a few. Granted, this is just FFL, but it's real to me, dammit!

The players will already be on your team before we draft. If trhere are any trades made for draft picks, we need to make it a player and Pick #A for Pick #B because there are only a set number of rounds.

You can't trade a player for your first round pick and then keep 4 players. You would have to drop one of your other keepers.

Ok. Here is who I have as rookie keepers:

Martians - none
Wease - Adrian Peterson
Mofos - Mason Crosby
sweatersbydarwin - none
Fazer - Marshawn Lynch
Whedon - Anthony Gonzalez
Angles - none
Happy Trees - none
Redd - Dwayne Bowe
JD - none
Bolt! - none
Drunkards - none

It will basically take the place of the final pick un the draft. I have everyone's keepers now as well.

If there are any changes let me know before the draft.

It sucks because if you go to rank your players, it shows everyone involved incluiding keepers. I assume it will take them off when they are taken. The only people that are not being taken off are the rookies and that is because they are going in the last round.

JUST IN CASE

Don't try to draft a rookie keeper just in case the site screws up and allows it.

I'll give you my first pick or one of my players if you want to.

jesus, this is getting complicated.

im pretty sure yahoo accounted for keeper leagues pretty well already. I think this will work out even if ppl do autodrafts/disconnect picks.

TRADE

We'll make it easy for SD:

Alpharetta Martians trades Ryan Grant to
Whedon's Dollhouse for TJ Houshmanzadeh


One keeper for another. Anya to confirm.

Confirmed trade-TJ for Grant

There are definatly enough scruns to fill the 4th round slot.

And to make it even more fair those teams that don't have a rookie keeper but get a scrub can have an offline waiver draft. It can be the 17th round and when waivers are up they get first shot in whatever order they would be if we had a 1th round.

Yahoo can manage the keeper draft, but it has to be even. The rookie part of it is messing it up.

Put in place holders in the fourth round, so that the league draft starts for everyone in round 5. Then, put the waiver wire into effect for right after the draft, and put the remaining drafters who didnt have a rookie carry over in the correct waiver order related to draft order of the last round (be careful if it is serpentining backwards for the final round). Then they can have a day to determine who they want.

just a suggestion...

As long as I get my first pick we can do it how ever it works. My team is going to need all the help it can get.

Hey SD, you can leave Greg Olsen as my rookie keeper, if you want. I usually take a TE in the late rounds anyway.

Oh, and who's the last team we haven't heard from? It's whoever has LT I assume, because I haven't seen him as a keeper yet.

everyone has checked in. Daywalker and Jason both gave their keepers on the football site. Daywalker kept Tom Brady, Antonio Gates and Willis McGahee with no rookie. Jason kept LaDainian Tomlinson, Reggie Wayne and Drew Brees.

I got the Olsen rookie done as well as the trade put through

Yeah, I've been gone for a while. Appreciated the invite.

I switched on of my keepers.

Switched Williams for Marques Colston, NO.

Don't autodraft. I got killed in BB auto.

Yeah, I'll be in the hizzy for the live stuff. Auto-draft is stinky, most of the time.

I'm not a good drafter. I never feel like I've done enough homework. I like autodraft and a good trade or two.

man i can't believe its time for a fantasy draft again.

God I love football season.

Where in the Hoosier state are you moving?

Don't forget. Or do and get Orton and Grossman on your team.

9 hours away

magical neckbeards.

I've been able to live draft for the last few years.

This year: no such luck. I was recruited to be my son's soccer team coach. Tonight is our first practice.

So, Unrealistic Mofos will be auto-drafting tonight.

At least it's a keeper league. I can pretend like my first three picks were great.

My son has football practice tonight, but it will be done by 7 ET. I already told him that he has to be in bed and quiet by 9 PM, or I'll lock him up in his room.

I got my cheat sheet scratched out and started crossing off some names. So much goodness gone.

Close to that many Irish fans would scare me.

We could have a draft controversy as the order was reversed because of the keepers stuff.

What it looks like was, we started in Round 4 instead of Round 5. The rookies were moved to Round 16. So I ended up getting the 'first' pick in Round 4, because of the serpentine draft.

Round 1 - Picks 1-12
Round 2 - Picks 12-1
Round 3 - Picks 1-12
Round 4 (where we started) - Picks 12-1

It kind of threw me off because I wasn't expecting to make the first pick.

Yeah, I was really confused when I was trying to draft Jones-Drew and it wouldn't work.

I really could have used an elite back for the QB,WR,RB triumvirate.