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post #1 of 49
7/20/08 at 2:50am
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The late '60s-'70s brought the new Hollywood revolution, and so on.

What will the 2000's (2000-2010) be remembered for? CGI? Superheros taken seriously as subject matter? The decline of theaters? The rise of the documentary? What will be the defining cinematic movement?
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post #2 of 49
7/20/08 at 2:59am
Cgi talking dogs.
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post #3 of 49
7/20/08 at 3:11am
I think one of the major trends this decade will be remembered for is the rise of Mexican cinema and its filmmakers to the world stage. Specifically, I'm thinking of the rise of Iñárritu, Cuaron, and del Toro. Two out of three of those guys also show the promise of being among the major directors of their generation.
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post #4 of 49
7/20/08 at 3:24am
Netflix
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post #5 of 49
7/20/08 at 3:28am
Not even close to an expert, but the first things that come to mind are: digital cinema, Asian (particularly the rise of Korean) cinema, end of the 90's indie era, increased emphasis on franchises and remakes, torture porn, and the piracy issue.
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post #6 of 49
7/20/08 at 5:34am
Remakes, sequels and comic book adaptations.

A few stellar book adaptations: Harry Potter, Bourne, LotR.

The death of Star Wars.
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post #7 of 49
7/20/08 at 5:50am
Yeah, right now we're in late 1950s/early 1960s Hollywood mode. Studios floundering about trying to compete with new mediums that are kicking ass, and turns to massive overly-expensive franchise moneymakers to save them, which may result in the system collapsing again and ushering in yet another innovative era of brilliance. And Smokey The Bandit.
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post #8 of 49
7/20/08 at 6:11am
DVD shrinking theatrical playtime. That's the biggest paradigm shift. The death of independent cinema is probably second.
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post #9 of 49
7/20/08 at 11:14am
Actually, I think this decade won't be remembered so much for causing a major shift in the film paradigm (outside of the DVD thing mentioned by Andre), but rather changing the way we view television. Scripted dramas with multi-season arcs were unheard of even ten years ago (outside of a few shows, like Homicide...but even they had their individual eps), and it has allowed for TV to compete with films in terms of quality and story by allowing more time for character development and subplots. Since the quality has improved, shows now cast real film actors, another thing unheard of ten years ago for those at the pinnacle of their careers. Shows such as The Sopranos, Lost, The Wire, Heroes, and The Shield have all contributed to the rebirth of the television drama.

Fuck film. TV allows for far more interesting drama when used correctly. Not to mention, I can watch em' in HD in the comfort of my home.
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post #10 of 49
7/20/08 at 11:23am
Will Smith
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post #11 of 49
7/20/08 at 11:54am
Speaking of this decade, is anyone else annoyed with how cinematography looks in contemporary cinema, especially comedies? Many movies seem to be overly lit and have ostentatious color palates. I'm looking at Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and Iron Man as prime examples. Clerks II was also a rather ugly looking movie.
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post #12 of 49
7/20/08 at 12:05pm
The rise of franchise movies and sequels of sequels. Also what Shadows said, tv just kicking the shit out of film story wise.
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post #13 of 49
7/20/08 at 1:01pm
The best of film is still better than the best of TV.

(Excepting THE WIRE, which is better than anything)
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post #14 of 49
7/20/08 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
The best of film is still better than the best of TV.

(Excepting THE WIRE, which is better than anything)
Not a DEADWOOD fan?
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post #15 of 49
7/21/08 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
The best of film is still better than the best of TV.
In the past decade? I would have to disagree. I've seen a lot more interesting shit coming out on TV than film (Generation Kill being the current example).
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post #16 of 49
7/21/08 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
In the past decade? I would have to disagree. I've seen a lot more interesting shit coming out on TV than film (Generation Kill being the current example).
"Deadwood" was great. So is "Lost".

But just last year we had NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, ZODIAC, HOT FUZZ, & THERE WILL BE BLOOD.

I'll take the cinema.
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post #17 of 49
7/21/08 at 12:15pm
The stupid, constant rise of ticket prices.

Piracy and digital downloads. People will stop going to the theater (due to said ticket prices) and the small movements in day and date distribution, which will definitely become far more fashionable next decade as theaters collapse and Netflix and the like increase.

The proliferation of large HD tvs, which are only getting bigger and the rise of the home theater, which while it will never match the actual theater, is getting close enough where people just say 'fuck it, I hate crowds.'

Oh, and also the need to make every god damn movie 'PG-13' and...ugh..."family friendly".

The frontloadedness of a film's box office take. If you ain't number one, then someone's getting fired. I don't know when exactly it started like this, but it seems absolutely ridiculous nowadays.
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post #18 of 49
7/21/08 at 12:30pm
The tyranny of the opening weekend.

DVD as life support (see Austin Powers, Harold and Kumar, Hellboy, etc).
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post #19 of 49
7/21/08 at 12:33pm
The rise of ultra shitty "parody" movies.
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post #20 of 49
7/21/08 at 12:38pm
The internet movie sites, like CHUD and AICN. Information is disseminated at very fast pace. What once took months of a slow roll out can now be learned in seconds. Movie mags are failing because, why wait?

This leads to very, very few surprises and a whole lot of clique-iness.
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post #21 of 49
7/21/08 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
DVD shrinking theatrical playtime. That's the biggest paradigm shift. The death of independent cinema is probably second.
It might see the implosion of the blockbuster. A year ago I thought sure we were headed for another collapse of the Hollywood model (like we saw at the end of the 60's). But this year shows some signs of improvement as far as franchise films go.
I subscribe to Ebert's notion that serious cinema and B-flicks have switched places. But if the indie and the blockbuster go away, what's left? Judd Apatow?
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post #22 of 49
7/21/08 at 12:46pm
CHUD becoming more popular than Jesus Christ.
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post #23 of 49
7/21/08 at 2:25pm
I was convinced sometime around last summer that the superhero genre and uber-blockbuster movies in general were going to start to decline, but this summer with the Dark Knight clearly shows if done well they clearly have a lot of life left in them.
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post #24 of 49
7/21/08 at 2:33pm
Yeah comic book films and geek chic properties seem to be absorbing everything that is thrown at them. I honestly don't know what could possibly dent them because there seems to be at least one big money making superhero film a year to balance out the ones which barely make bank.

And whilst I can kind of understand people getting excited about TV drama I think saying that it's a consistently better medium than Film is a little short sighted. The Wire, Dexter,Sopranos and Deadwood may be great but they pale in comparison to films like In The Wild, I'm Not There, Zodiac, TWBB, Requiem for a Dream.
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post #25 of 49
7/21/08 at 2:39pm
The decade that gave me The Proposition.
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post #26 of 49
7/21/08 at 2:52pm
The TV vs. Film is an apples vs. oranges debate, but I'll agree that this decade will be looked back on as a "third golden age" of television.
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post #27 of 49
7/21/08 at 2:53pm
The Wire pales in comparison to nothing, Spike.
NOTHING!
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post #28 of 49
7/21/08 at 2:56pm
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The Wire pales in comparison to nothing, Spike.
NOTHING!
I'll give you the Wire (Season 5 finally starts tonight in the UK) but that's head and shoulders above most other TV. But I think some people confuse the length of plot with its quality. I mean before we start declaring Deadwood and Lost the new pinnacles in media lets not forget that there serialised nature probably owes a debt to Babylon 5.
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post #29 of 49
7/21/08 at 3:00pm
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I mean before we start declaring Deadwood and Lost the new pinnacles in media lets not forget that there serialised nature probably owes a debt to Babylon 5.
Really?
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post #30 of 49
7/21/08 at 3:06pm
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The TV vs. Film is an apples vs. oranges debate, but I'll agree that this decade will be looked back on as a "third golden age" of television.
I would go with that especially how unbelieveably horrendous network tv has gotten for the most part. And the ungodly shit pile that is reality tv.
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post #31 of 49
7/21/08 at 3:07pm
Yes, really.
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post #32 of 49
7/21/08 at 3:11pm
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I mean before we start declaring Deadwood and Lost the new pinnacles in media lets not forget that there serialised nature probably owes a debt to Babylon 5.
I'm pretty sure he was kidding.
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post #33 of 49
7/21/08 at 3:19pm
Nobody has mentioned the decade's major themes, which are sure to be 9/11 and the war on terror, and 'where do superheroes come from?'
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post #34 of 49
7/23/08 at 7:26pm
This decade belongs to the documentary.

The period of Bowling For Columbine and March of the Penquins was a mini golden age of the art form.


I can't even name a single film which won best documentary in the 80's and 90's.
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post #35 of 49
7/23/08 at 7:37pm
I think it's the deadly dance of art and commerce, and media interrupting the flow, from the aforementioned reliance on reporting box office numbers and turning the business into a horserace, as well as the democratization of film criticism, leading to the death of the leading voices of the profession. I feel like, as someone who loves good cinema, I'm not only fighting against prevailing bad taste, but some sort of overwhelming machine cranking out an anti-quality slant.
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post #36 of 49
7/23/08 at 7:51pm
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This decade belongs to the documentary.

The period of Bowling For Columbine and March of the Penquins was a mini golden age of the art form.


I can't even name a single film which won best documentary in the 80's and 90's.
I can only think of one and that's because I just saw it. Which was the one about Harvey Milk.
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post #37 of 49
7/23/08 at 7:52pm
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This decade belongs to the documentary.
Though I'm a fan of Capturing the Friedman's, when you talk about the great documentaries, or essay films, the 21st century has just been all right. But Errol Morris, the Maysles, Harlan County U.S.A, Burden of Dreams, Crumb, Hoop Dreams, etc. etc. The seminal achievements are not of this era.

Also, point of fact, the voting system for documentary films viewed any successful documentary as the enemy - basically - until Bowling for Columbine.
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post #38 of 49
7/23/08 at 7:53pm
I think it may be where the documentary has become more mainstream and more noticed overall. But shockingly Hoop Dreams did not win. Once again, fuck the Oscars.
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post #39 of 49
7/23/08 at 7:58pm
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I'm pretty sure he was kidding.
Even if he was joking, he's still right.

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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
This decade belongs to the documentary.

The period of Bowling For Columbine and March of the Penquins was a mini golden age of the art form.
To say nothing of:

Grizzly Man
Murderball
Super Size Me
King of Kong
Confessions of A Superhero
Farenheit 911
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post #40 of 49
7/23/08 at 8:03pm
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Grizzly Man
Murderball
Along with Capturing the Friedmans, these are some of the very best films, PERIOD, of this decade. While better documentaries may have been and gone in previous decades, I would like to salute the rise of POPULAR documentary in the 'noughties'.

ETA: So excited to see Man on Wire.
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post #41 of 49
7/23/08 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I'll give you the Wire (Season 5 finally starts tonight in the UK) but that's head and shoulders above most other TV. But I think some people confuse the length of plot with its quality. I mean before we start declaring Deadwood and Lost the new pinnacles in media lets not forget that there serialised nature probably owes a debt to Babylon 5.
This may have been a joke , but equivocating Deadwood and Lost is a mistake. There may be continuity, but Deadwood is not serialized at all like Lost. It also is the pinnacle of televised media, and one of the only shows that can hold a candle to The Wire.
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post #42 of 49
7/23/08 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by sackley View Post
Along with Capturing the Friedmans, these are some of the very best films, PERIOD, of this decade. While better documentaries may have been and gone in previous decades, I would like to salute the rise of POPULAR documentary in the 'noughties'.

ETA: So excited to see Man on Wire.
YES. As a documentary film maker myself, I find myself appalled that there is a misconception that documentaries are "boring," and yet we end having massive writer's strikes due (at least in part) to the suffocation of reality television -- which owes 99% of its existence to the documentary genre!

I often encourage people to do a double feature of Grizzly Man and Murderball in hopes that it will change their minds.

And Morgan Spurlock deserves some love for bringing doc to the main-mainstream, and for sherperding projects like Confessions of A Superhero. He's allowing an uncool genre and opportunity to be cool.
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post #43 of 49
7/23/08 at 8:14pm
I'd leave the Moore's out of the best category. What is most appealing about the man is how he has made the essay film popular. There has been more success with the pop-documentary, but that also has to do wit the format reaching middle ground. I don't think Night and Fog would ever be taken in the same way these other films have, but it's just about the greatest essay film/documentary of all time. It or Olympia. Or Hoop Dreams. Or Crumb.

The main paradigm shift was video. Which is inherently better for the medium of capturing "reality."

I think it's way too easy to assume what you've lived through is the best period of anything.
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post #44 of 49
7/23/08 at 9:44pm
Whatever you think of Moore, you have to admit that he made the political documentary more popular.

There wouldn't be a No End in Sight (which is still timely even after the surge), a Operation Dreamland, or a Bigger Faster Stronger (fucking great flick) with out the bearded fat man.

Not to mention Expelled and Michael Moore hates America on the right.
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post #45 of 49
7/23/08 at 10:22pm
He made it more commercial, though it's hard to say what would have happened in his absence. Perhaps those documentaries would be treated less like agit-prop.
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post #46 of 49
8/4/08 at 12:03pm
I would say that there is a chance this will be known as the comicbook/ fantasy series being taken seriously. I added fantasy because really what was the last pre-LOTR fantasy to be taken series and considered for awards. Comic movies are only going to become more prominent after this summers success so I see this being a lasting effect of the decade. The same goes for fantasy since every studio is now looking for the next great book series to green light.
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post #47 of 49
8/4/08 at 12:49pm
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I would say that there is a chance this will be known as the comicbook/ fantasy series being taken seriously. I added fantasy because really what was the last pre-LOTR fantasy to be taken series and considered for awards. Comic movies are only going to become more prominent after this summers success so I see this being a lasting effect of the decade. The same goes for fantasy since every studio is now looking for the next great book series to green light.
I hope you're wrong (and not rooting for this). This is the last thing we need. And if so, THE DARK KNIGHT butt-fucked film worse than STAR WARS ever did.
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post #48 of 49
8/4/08 at 1:41pm
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I hope you're wrong (and not rooting for this). This is the last thing we need. And if so, THE DARK KNIGHT butt-fucked film worse than STAR WARS ever did.
which? Comic or fantasy or both?

Comic's is happening. I thought it was on a downward trend after Spiderman and X-men ended but the two biggest movies of the year are comic movies and one may be up for awards! You add hellboy doing ok for itself and and Marvel being able to pull Hulk back from the dead, the comic book genre is as hot as ever. Studios see that marvel was able to take a second teer guy and make 300 million.

As far as fantasy goes it seems hit or miss. LOTR I don't need to say was huge but Narnia has faultered in it's second movie and Golden compass was DOA so I don't know how many more of these we will see unless something else is a big hit...or the new lord of the ring movies are huge and all the studios go Hey...."we need a lord of the rings!" again.
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post #49 of 49
8/5/08 at 9:01am
I think as far as the business side of things, Dellamorte has nailed it: compressed time between theatrical and home video release, the rise and fall of the indie film, and (he's mentioned it elsewhere) the ridiculous emphasis on first weekend numbers. All of these have impacted films, and I think in nearly aspect, they've done so negatively.

WRT the audience side of things, I'd say the (economic) triumph of the comic-based film is the biggest story of the decade. Fantasy to a much lesser degree, because nothing's come close to the critical and popular success of LOTR. Hollywood, to a large degree, has figured out how to make a decent superhero film. Making a good fantasy film still seems extremely hit and miss.
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