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1. Can Cougar just basically quit the Navy like that? Isn't there some sort of years-of-service requirement or, more importantly, a contractual obligation? What did they do, stick him down in the mess or something? "Hey Cougar, man, tough going. Sorry." "Thanks, Mav." "Yeah, so can I get the salisbury steak?"

2. James Tolkan is Michael J. Fox's height. Which is to say he's shorter than Tom Cruise. Which is to say he's about 5'5". That's mind blowing if you think about it.

3. The hard deck for the first hop was 10,000 feet. While Mav knew it and broke it, the entire dogfight was under 10,000 feet, right? Racing just over the mountaintops, etc.

4. I still have no idea what time of day the opening scene takes place. Looks like it starts at early morning, but then when they take off it's bright, then the dogfight is in daylight but they keep cutting back to the carrier which is in the dark, and when they land it's in complete dark. But the fight is only a couple hundred miles away.

5. It really is pretty fucking gay.

6. Top Gun is my go-to movie for explaining to people who Adrian Pasdar is after I tell them Natalie Maines is married to Adrian Pasdar, and even then it doesn't always work. "He's sitting next to the black guy from Walker Texas Ranger during the commencement speech." "There's a black guy in Top Gun?" "Yeah, well, he's sitting next to him."

7. I posted yesterday about how the Hackman/Hershey relationship in HOOSIERS was maybe the most demagnitized screen romance possible, but I don't know. This one comes close.

8. People seem to forget that Tim Robbins was in this. Tim Robbins probably forgets it.

9. I love that the battle scene bookends are set in the Indian Ocean, the Pete Best of the oceanic realm.

10. Anthony Edwards was awesome as Goose. Seriously. Just throwing that out there.

11. There's no way Cruise would've been able to spike a volleyball over a regulation net.
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12. Everything said in the last action sequences is said twice to emphasize the pacing of the battle.

13. They never have their masks on when they are needed. IE, they'd pass out.
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7. I posted yesterday about how the Hackman/Hershey relationship in HOOSIERS was maybe the most demagnitized screen romance possible, but I don't know. This one comes close.
I have to disagree here. It's not your classic fiery passion, it's more subtle.

But Maverick and Iceman definitely love each other.
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1. Can Cougar just basically quit the Navy like that? Isn't there some sort of years-of-service requirement or, more importantly, a contractual obligation? What did they do, stick him down in the mess or something? "Hey Cougar, man, tough going. Sorry." "Thanks, Mav." "Yeah, so can I get the salisbury steak?"
I think so after a certain point. My brother-in-law has bounced in and out a few times in the past couple years.

By the way, you are so gay for this movie, everyone can taste it.
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Did he totally resign or just give up flight status?
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14. This is when I realized Tim Robbins is a GIANT.

15. Anthony Edwards is awesome as Goose, and yes it is worth saying twice.

16. Kenny. Loggins.
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I haven't seen this movie since I was 12, and I got the BR in the mail for review. I'm kind of looking forward to it, but I'm also kind of loathing it. The last time something like this happened I realized I actually hate Willow. That was sad.

I probably shouldn't have read this thread at all, because it's totally going to colour my viewing experience. Is Top Gun as gay as Nightmare on Elm Street 2 or Driven?
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I probably shouldn't have read this thread at all, because it's totally going to colour my viewing experience. Is Top Gun as gay as Nightmare on Elm Street 2 or Driven?
More gay than Nightmare on Elm Street 2.
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Did he totally resign or just give up flight status?
Cougar lost it, turned in his wings. Not sure if that means that he simply resigned his flight status/stripes or meant to quit the whole thing. Where's Cobretti to answer this?

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I have to disagree here. It's not your classic fiery passion, it's more subtle.
If by "subtle" you mean the one scene where there's actual sexual chemistry between them is where McGillis is dressed like a man (in the elevator), then yes.

No, seriously, I see what you're saying, but it still feels off kilter. Maybe it's because McGillis actually fits well in the role, so well that a woman seeking that intelligent wouldn't fall for some douchebag punk.

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By the way, you are so gay for this movie, everyone can taste it.
I just want to have sex with it. It's not like I want to pick out curtains or have a discussion about where to place furniture in a room with it.
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9. I love that the battle scene bookends are set in the Indian Ocean, the Pete Best of the oceanic realm.
This deserves to be quoted for special recognition.
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Is Top Gun as gay as Nightmare on Elm Street 2 or Driven?
Put it this way: It's gayer than THE TRANSPORTER.
post #12 of 126
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More gay than Nightmare on Elm Street 2.
That is debateable.

You have the volleyball scene and alot of the dialog in Top, but you have the dance sequence, the coach, and alot of the dialog in NOES2.
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6. Top Gun is my go-to movie for explaining to people who Adrian Pasdar is after I tell them Natalie Maines is married to Adrian Pasdar, and even then it doesn't always work. "He's sitting next to the black guy from Walker Texas Ranger during the commencement speech." "There's a black guy in Top Gun?" "Yeah, well, he's sitting next to him."
I'm assuming there's a joke I'm not getting but why wouldn't you just go to Near Dark?
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Put it this way: It's gayer than THE TRANSPORTER.
Oh my God that's gay. Still, I think NOES is a twinge gayer then either Transporter movie.
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Put it this way: It's gayer than THE TRANSPORTER 2.
Fixed it for you.
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I've always used Near Dark for my Pasdar referencing. At least more people have seen that than Cookie.

EDIT: Beaten to it.
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I'm assuming there's a joke I'm not getting but why wouldn't you just go to Near Dark?
No joke you're not getting, but the point is that Pasdar hasn't been in much that the casual movie fan would know, including NEAR DARK. More to the point, assume you're talking to someone who likes the Dixie Chicks and would know who Natalie Maines is and care about who she's married to. She probably doesn't even know what a movie is, let alone NEAR DARK.
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Fixed it for you.
I don't know. T2 shoots Statham more lovingly, but does it have an oily fight?
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I don't know. T2 shoots Statham more lovingly, but does it have an oily fight?
Statham has an opportunity for tuna and chooses to go on a diet.
post #20 of 126
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No joke you're not getting, but the point is that Pasdar hasn't been in much that the casual movie fan would know, including NEAR DARK. More to the point, assume you're talking to someone who likes the Dixie Chicks and would know who Natalie Maines is and care about who she's married to. She probably doesn't even know what a movie is, let alone NEAR DARK.
Dig that. I hadn't seen old Adrian around much since Near Dark and when I saw him on Heroes the wife mentioned that he was married to Maines.

I almost burned my copy of Near Dark.
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More to the point, assume you're talking to someone who likes the Dixie Chicks and would know who Natalie Maines is and care about who she's married to. She probably doesn't even know what a movie is, let alone NEAR DARK.
Yeah, but most likely they would know HEROES...

Thinking of TOP GUN reminds me how hard refueling was on the NES game. Now I'm angry.



^Trying to maneuver so another aircraft can put it's cock in your face. Hmmm.
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Guys, come on, let's stop fixating on Adrian Pasdar, shall we? I don't see anybody talking about Whip Hubley.
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Guys, come on, let's stop fixating on Adrian Pasdar, shall we? I don't see anybody talking about Whip Hubley.
Thanks to this comment and Google I now have a new entry to the "Movie Stuff You Just Realized" thread.
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Guys, come on, let's stop fixating on Adrian Pasdar, shall we? I don't see anybody talking about Whip Hubley.
Whip Hubley is the poor man's (EDIT: or the thinking man's) Rick Rossovich. I think the casting director was like "I can't decide. Put 'em both in." Kinda like Caviezel and Chapman in THIN RED LINE.

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One funny thing about these pictures:

Amazingly, considering their looks and backgrounds, it was Hubley and not Rossovich who was cast as a Russian seaman in RUSSKIES.

(Apparently Rossovich had his fill of seaman in Top Gun.)

Another funny thing about these pictures:

They came from whosdatedwho.com. In the context of this thread that's outstanding.
post #26 of 126
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Yeah, but most likely they would know HEROES...

Thinking of TOP GUN reminds me how hard refueling was on the NES game. Now I'm angry.



^Trying to maneuver so another aircraft can put it's cock in your face. Hmmm.
Haha, me and my friends always used to call that part of the game the "Bionic Penis."
post #27 of 126
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1. Can Cougar just basically quit the Navy like that? Isn't there some sort of years-of-service requirement or, more importantly, a contractual obligation? What did they do, stick him down in the mess or something? "Hey Cougar, man, tough going. Sorry." "Thanks, Mav." "Yeah, so can I get the salisbury steak?"

2. James Tolkan is Michael J. Fox's height. Which is to say he's shorter than Tom Cruise. Which is to say he's about 5'5". That's mind blowing if you think about it.

3. The hard deck for the first hop was 10,000 feet. While Mav knew it and broke it, the entire dogfight was under 10,000 feet, right? Racing just over the mountaintops, etc.

4. I still have no idea what time of day the opening scene takes place. Looks like it starts at early morning, but then when they take off it's bright, then the dogfight is in daylight but they keep cutting back to the carrier which is in the dark, and when they land it's in complete dark. But the fight is only a couple hundred miles away.

5. It really is pretty fucking gay.

6. Top Gun is my go-to movie for explaining to people who Adrian Pasdar is after I tell them Natalie Maines is married to Adrian Pasdar, and even then it doesn't always work. "He's sitting next to the black guy from Walker Texas Ranger during the commencement speech." "There's a black guy in Top Gun?" "Yeah, well, he's sitting next to him."

7. I posted yesterday about how the Hackman/Hershey relationship in HOOSIERS was maybe the most demagnitized screen romance possible, but I don't know. This one comes close.

8. People seem to forget that Tim Robbins was in this. Tim Robbins probably forgets it.

9. I love that the battle scene bookends are set in the Indian Ocean, the Pete Best of the oceanic realm.

10. Anthony Edwards was awesome as Goose. Seriously. Just throwing that out there.

11. There's no way Cruise would've been able to spike a volleyball over a regulation net.
Haha!

You can be my wingman anytime, JB.
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Haha, me and my friends always used to call that part of the game the "Bionic Penis."
"TOP GUN: Corrupting young impressionable boys since 1986."
post #29 of 126
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero View Post
If by "subtle" you mean the one scene where there's actual sexual chemistry between them is where McGillis is dressed like a man (in the elevator), then yes.

No, seriously, I see what you're saying, but it still feels off kilter. Maybe it's because McGillis actually fits well in the role, so well that a woman seeking that intelligent wouldn't fall for some douchebag punk.
Re-read the second part of my post.
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Re-read the second part of my post.
Dammit Dickson, I can't be expected to catch your subtle wit on the first go-round.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks-HR-kaFuc

watching this youtube video of someone landing in the NES game just made me teary eyed with nostalgia.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks-HR-kaFuc

watching this youtube video of someone landing in the NES game just made me teary eyed with nostalgia.
I think that is the first time I have ever seen a successful landing in that game.
post #33 of 126
17. "Don't write a check your ass can't cash" is the Foreigner of action movie lines. It's from the 80s, it's catchy as hell, and it makes you shake your head in shame as you can't help but smile at it.

18. This.
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I think that is the first time I have ever seen a successful landing in that game.
I landed once. I don't know how it happened. I was stunned afterwards.
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Put it this way: It's gayer than THE TRANSPORTER.
Top Gun is really gay. But not that gay.

That NES game's refueling and landing sequences were only difficult because they were pre-internet. In the modern era, folks would go on-line, realize the instruction booklet and on-screen commands were complete nonsense and guaranteed failure, and have no problems.
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Edwards was great but I remember my dad saying he was way too tall to be an actual fighter pilot. Someone get Frank in here to confirm that.
post #37 of 126
Well duh. That's why he gets his brains knocked into the canopy.
post #38 of 126
Good point, but didn't he recover and become a cop in Philadelphia only to be shipped to an inner city precinct and have hilarity ensue?
post #39 of 126
Statham gets to hook up with Shu Qi in TRANSPORTER. That's 150% heterosexual - even factoring in the now-famous oil fight, the film ultimately works out to more than 100% heterosexual - you become more likely to want to gently caress members of the opposite sex after watching TRANSPORTER. It's science fact.

TRANSPORTER 2 is the one that ratcheted up the homo-erotic content to absurd, near-COMMANDO levels. TRANSPORTER 2 and COMMANDO are both unquestionably gayer than TOP GUN, which, like TRANSPORTER 1, has actual man-on-woman action in it.
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Which is TEH MOST GAY:

a.)Unresolved sexual tension between Ice-Man and Maverick, epitomized by the "you can be my wingman anytime" line;

b.)Statham oil-fight;

c.)Matrix rejecting Bennett's frustrated overtures and ramming an obvious phallic symbol through his chest.


I'm going to have to go with "b."
post #41 of 126
Top Gun features one of the great WTF? scenes. I'm referring to the Ice Man "Bite" scene.
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Which is TEH MOST GAY:

a.)Unresolved sexual tension between Ice-Man and Maverick, epitomized by the "you can be my wingman anytime" line;

b.)Statham oil-fight;

c.)Matrix rejecting Bennett's frustrated overtures and ramming an obvious phallic symbol through his chest.

I'm going to have to go with "b."
No way. Top Gun is responsible for more 80s HIV infections than any bathhouse.
post #43 of 126
"I WANT SOME BUTTS!"

Oh, Mav. You drive all the men crazy.
post #44 of 126
Tom Cruise receives a different reaction than I do upon following a woman into the ladies room.
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Well duh. That's why he gets his brains knocked into the canopy.
This is one I should have addressed in the first post - what are the odds of that actually happening? 100 to 1? 1,000,000 to 1? 2 to 1? Particularly when the plane is in a flat spin; you'd think sheer momentum and physics would've separated the canopy from the fuselage in such a way that Goose would've necessarily gone in a different direction because of the time elapsed.

Also, Maverick shouts, "Watch the canopy!" Like, what the fuck is Goose supposed to do about that shit? He's blown out of an airplane at god knows what velocity, he's supposed to recognize in the nanosecond that his head is approaching the canopy at a possibly dangerous velocity? Even if he does catch sight of the canopy and his impending neural trauma, the fuck's he supposed to do about it? He's locked into the chair, it's not like he can duck. He's sure as hell not palming it.

So many questions left unanswered.
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"If you keep this up you'll be driving a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong."
post #47 of 126
I love this thread so much I want to take it behind the middle school and get it pregnant.

JB is very much my hero for starting it. Though a pox on Darkmite [nothing serious, just a minor itch for a day or so] for reminding me of all those hours wasted on that damn game

Not to derail this magnificent thread, but my friends and I were talking recently about the same topic that Overlord brought up. Would our generation hold our 8-bit gaming days in such high esteem if we didn't have to 'earn' every victory? I recall it being such a HUGE deal when my friend made it to Mike Tyson and got the code in Punch Out! We held on to that info like it was the Colonel's secret recipie or something. And for a while, it made up very popular at the lunch table indeed.

Anyways, back to Top Gun. I am fairly certain that there is some sort of MPAA guideline in place now limiting the number of men in jean cutoffs per scene due to this film. Or at least there should be.
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This is one I should have addressed in the first post - what are the odds of that actually happening? 100 to 1? 1,000,000 to 1? 2 to 1? Particularly when the plane is in a flat spin; you'd think sheer momentum and physics would've separated the canopy from the fuselage in such a way that Goose would've necessarily gone in a different direction because of the time elapsed.

Also, Maverick shouts, "Watch the canopy!" Like, what the fuck is Goose supposed to do about that shit? He's blown out of an airplane at god knows what velocity, he's supposed to recognize in the nanosecond that his head is approaching the canopy at a possibly dangerous velocity? Even if he does catch sight of the canopy and his impending neural trauma, the fuck's he supposed to do about it? He's locked into the chair, it's not like he can duck. He's sure as hell not palming it.

So many questions left unanswered.
Face it, Goose fucked up.
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Anyways, back to Top Gun. I am fairly certain that there is some sort of MPAA guideline in place now limiting the number of men in jean cutoffs per scene due to this film. Or at least there should be.
I learned from Top Gun that to have a good volleyball game, you have to flex before each serve.
post #50 of 126
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Top Gun is really gay. But not that gay.
Rewatch the scene with Tom Skerritt and Cruise in the bathroom and try to convince us of that.


"Maverick, I won't blow sunshine up your ass. But I might just blow something else."


"I miss how he buzzed my tower."


"You've got to let him go. Iceman's waiting, you know."


"That's quite a hard deck you're sporting, Maverick."
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