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Once Upon A Time In America (1984)

post #1 of 24
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Preface: Being European and all the only version of the film I'm familiar with is the 229 minute version. I know that a version of the film missing almost an hour of its runtime and rearranged into chronological order was given an official release in the US, but I'm assuming anyone who's interested in the film has seen the longer cut.

This is probably ties with Once Upon A Time In The West as my favourite of Leone's work. It's a stunningly beautiful film to watch, the cinematography and production design are just incredible and it really gives a vivid feel of time and place.

More than anything else I just love how personal and character based the film is, Leone seemingly more interested in the way his characters interacted with each other than their actions. Certainly spending so much time with the characters as children and seeing the choices they made which lead them to getting into organised creates a fairly unique understanding of their mindset.

The acting is incredible too, DeNiro and James Woods are on top of their game here but I think they're really well matched by their young counterparts.

Nearly forgot to mention Morricone's absolutely amazing score as well.

The thing is that Once Upon A Time In America despite its length is a film that just kind of enraptured me when I saw it. So much so that about a week after my first viewing I dragged a few people around to watch it with me, hoping it would somehow strike a chord with them.

It seems like the kind of film people are a little turned off by, for whatever reason. I think the length and sheer scale of the film can be somewhat overbearing despite its focus on its handful primary characters.

Fanny and Alexander seems to have the same effect on people.
post #2 of 24
The last half hour (by which I mean the last thirty minutes, but more importantly, the last shot) is probably the most haunting film ending I've seen. I think about it often.
post #3 of 24
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There's something almost mythical and dreamlike about that ending, especially the way Noodles reacts at the Senators party. I still love the final scene between Noodles and Deborah, where so much is said by what is left unsaid.
post #4 of 24
I saw this film in it's entirety for the first time about a year and a half ago, and I fell in love with it. So great. So epic. Everything about it is pretty much pitch perfect, and pretty much solidified Leone as my all-time favorite director (along with The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and Once Upon a Time in America). Also gonna echo the love for Morricone's score. It's such a shame that a stupid fuck-up kept it from even being nominated for an Oscar.
post #5 of 24
I still have to skip the rape scene.
post #6 of 24
This movie's a classic, and to me is an accomplishment just because, watching the full 229 minute cut, I can't think of anything in that massive runtime that should be cut. Managing to tell a story that is engrossing from start to finish over the course of almost four hours is an incredible feat.
post #7 of 24
I badly want to see it but I haven't been able to sit down to watch it in its entireity yet (The DVD out now is the 229 minute version right?). I hope it'll happen soon.
post #8 of 24
A fucking great film, with so many ideas and themes, its almost impossible for me and my friends to agree on what exactly the ending is about.

The rape scene is one of the most destructive scenes i've ever seen. It is made brilliant by the driver giving Noodles his coat and that look when he tries to tip him.

What astounds me about this fim is the period detail of the production design and the use of editing. The opening few minutes jumping between three or four timezones is fucking amazing and that final shot... Well. I like to think of De Niro's smile at the end as one of two things. The logical interpretation is that, following his betrayal of Max and the boys, its the last time he ever manages to find any kind of peace or happiness - high off his kite in a dingy opium den. The rest of his life he's haunted by the ghosts of his past actions.

There is another, more interesting theory that everything that takes place between him smoking that pipe and the smile at the end is a trip, reflecting on his past and making up a future that never happens. Its a fascinating theory when you go back and watch it again.

Anyway, great cinematography, wonderful performances (Woods' best? Certainly Elizabeth McGovern's) and another top notch score from Morricone. Its a unique experience that's for sure, but as brillaint as it is, Once Upon A Time in the West is still my favourite Leone. This is like a half-inch behind though.
post #9 of 24
This one is a masterpiece. Leone didn't direct too many films, but everyone he made was stellar.
post #10 of 24
^Fistful of Dollars and Collossus of Rhodes say otherwise.
post #11 of 24
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^Fistful of Dollars and Collossus of Rhodes say otherwise.
Step away from Fistful of Dollars and allow me my film ignorant moment when I say "What the fuck is Collossus of Rhodes?"

*Runs to IMDB*.
post #12 of 24
I was lucky enough to catch this one in its original cut on HDNM a couple months ago for the first time, but I gotta say I lost interest after a while...but I was quitting cigarettes at the time and I think that had something to do it (when your chest is feels like its on fire, its hard to concentrate). I've been waiting for it to show up again, but they haven't played it since. Might hafta Netflix it.
post #13 of 24
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Might hafta Netflix it.
It's on the Instant View in case you're interested.
post #14 of 24
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^Fistful of Dollars and Collossus of Rhodes say otherwise.
Is this guy trying to be wrong every time?

Though I don't like it as much, ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA arguably manages to trump THE GODFATHER.

The baby switching scene kind of freaks me out. Just the idea of it.
post #15 of 24
I realize that there are a good deal of people who like A Fistful of Dollars, but having seen Yojimbo first, I can't help but want to watch that every time I view FOD.

Maybe that's just me.
post #16 of 24
A Fistful of Dollars not good? What the fuck?

I've just been able to see the full cut of this film, and it blows away the shortened version. Which is strange considering I'm European, but I think it has to do mainly with my first viewing being in the States. Absolutely fantastic flick though, as previously stated. De Niro gives one hell of a performance here, and James Wood, as someone stated before, has probably never been better.
post #17 of 24
I don't hate A Fistful of Dollars, it's an ok adaptation of Yojimbo, but I don't feel its on the same level as Leone's other films (Mainly because it uses so much from Yojimbo).
post #18 of 24
I see where you're coming from, but Yojimbo isn't exactly the most original film in the world. Well, I'm sure you know all about Kurosawa's love for all things western, and if you've seen High Noon, I'm sure you'll know what I'm talking about.
post #19 of 24
I'd agree Yojimbo overshadows the Leone film, though. There's a depth of humanity to the performances to it that I'd take over the latter film's setpieces.
post #20 of 24
I'd agree with you there, although I don't think a better director could of remade Yojimbo, in any form. Leone and Kurosawa's strengths were largely the same, just in totally different worlds.
post #21 of 24
One thing I'll admit is that I would someday like to have sex while robbing a bank. What an adrenalione rush it might be.
post #22 of 24
One wishes Leone would have made his WWII epic with De Niro...
post #23 of 24
Yea. Heart attacks can be a bitch.
post #24 of 24
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Bumping this thread, because I just watched the film again on Blu

 

The sprawl in this film is probably my favourite thing about it, the four hour length giving you a chance to really immerse yourself in the world and the characters. The bond between the central characters is of uptmost importance to the film and as such I kind of love how uncompressed everything is.

Sergio Leone has, despite his at times grand sweep, always been a character centred director. As such you really get a sense of the people in this film, really get a feel for their thoughts, what drives them, their relationships and it makes the story of the film really work for me.

This is essentially a gangland epic, where the focus is insanely tight, but you FEEL every setback and stumble. If I have any complaints is that I honestly feel like the stuff with the kids is far more watchable than the stuff with the adults. I think the movie loses sight of its main characters in its second act and struggles to retain focus. DeNiro and Woods are great in their roles, but it lacks the cohesion the first two hours has.

The film still looks and sounds amazing, especially on Blu. Leone's eye for detail and the immaculate New York sets are insanely evocative and I just love Morricone's score.

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