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post #1 of 19
7/26/08 at 7:50pm
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Holy shit.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfDE-ZvfOwU



This makes me want to pack up my bass and stick it in the closet. Seriously, this guy was amazing. Anyone who has not gotten The Kids Are Alright DVD and is a Who fan is really missing out. These isolated tracks show just how much of a genius he was on the bass. I remember reading an article when he said that Pete Townsend would often turn down his parts when mixing the recording. I can kind of see why.

John Entwistle>Jaco

*ducks and prepares for attack*
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post #2 of 19
7/26/08 at 7:59pm
He's no Sir Paul!

Fuckin' Silly Love Songs!
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post #3 of 19
7/26/08 at 8:07pm
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Sir, are you bringing up the fact of Ebony and Ivory?

I wonder what Sir Paul was thinking of when he sat down to write that gem.
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post #4 of 19
7/26/08 at 8:10pm
It changed the world!!!
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post #5 of 19
7/28/08 at 11:44am
As a writer, Entwhistle had nothing on McCartney (except when McCartney was at his worst and Entwhistle was at his very best). As a bassist, he left him in the dust.

Most amazing about Entwhistle is that he was so busy, but also had to hold down the rhythm, since Moon was practically the soloist.
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post #6 of 19
7/28/08 at 12:45pm
I've heard competing views on McCartney's bass playing. Lennon loved it (called it underrated), Harrison hated it (soulless & too busy).

Not a musician myself, just going on sound, I dig. (at times, he blows me away)

(DAY TRIPPER, COME TOGETHER, LET ME ROLL IT are faves)

But yeah--Entwistle is still the king.
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post #7 of 19
7/28/08 at 1:23pm
It should be said that Entwistle's a showy bassist with a great, melodic ear. McCartney's not nearly as showy, but he also has a great melodic ear. I'll take the guy who knows his/her way around a catchy bassline that emphasizes and comments on the main melody of the song than the super-technical guy who plays super fast, but only serves to divert attention from the song.

In other words, Entwistle wins for the fact that he's got a McCartney-like knack for melody, but can also perform some pretty awe-inspiring technical feats. I'll still take Mike Mills over Les Claypool, though.
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post #8 of 19
7/28/08 at 1:27pm
When it comes to the greats, I never think to include Mike Mills. (And I'm from Athens!) But that body of work is hard to argue against!
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post #9 of 19
7/28/08 at 1:39pm
John Entwistle deserves all the acclaim that he gets, but I must admit to preferring the more flamboyant bassists:

Chris Squire: Yes
Tony Levin: various, played with Peter Gabriel for a long time.
John Myung: Dream Theater
Billy Sheehan: various, Mr. Big/David Lee Roth/solo.
Steve Harris: Iron Maiden
Geddy Lee: Rush

I like that all of these bassists have absolutely mastered their instruments and yet bring something unique to the table, and those are just 'rock' bassists. If you really want to be blown away, check out Stanley Clarke.
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post #10 of 19
7/28/08 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
John Entwistle deserves all the acclaim that he gets, but I must admit to preferring the more flamboyant bassists:

Chris Squire: Yes
Tony Levin: various, played with Peter Gabriel for a long time.
John Myung: Dream Theater
Billy Sheehan: various, Mr. Big/David Lee Roth/solo.
Steve Harris: Iron Maiden
Geddy Lee: Rush

I like that all of these bassists have absolutely mastered their instruments and yet bring something unique to the table, and those are just 'rock' bassists. If you really want to be blown away, check out Stanley Clarke.
Yeah, there's something to be said for the guys who can balance a personal style or experimentation with chops, too. But even these guys, at their best, pull back when the song calls for it. Levin's a beast on King Crimson recordings, but he manages to barely be there at all on some Peter Gabriel songs.
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post #11 of 19
7/28/08 at 1:49pm
Tony Levin is astounding. He can either be subtle and by the numbers or flamboyant as hell...depends upon what serves the song. Pick up the 2 Liquid Tension Experiment cds if you want to hear him go nuts with a Chapman Stick.
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post #12 of 19
7/28/08 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
John Entwistle deserves all the acclaim that he gets, but I must admit to preferring the more flamboyant bassists:

Chris Squire: Yes
Tony Levin: various, played with Peter Gabriel for a long time.
John Myung: Dream Theater
Billy Sheehan: various, Mr. Big/David Lee Roth/solo.
Steve Harris: Iron Maiden
Geddy Lee: Rush

I like that all of these bassists have absolutely mastered their instruments and yet bring something unique to the table, and those are just 'rock' bassists. If you really want to be blown away, check out Stanley Clarke.
Agree about Stanley Clarke. But the metal-heads always want to bring in Steve Harris. Give me a break--no matter how technically brilliant, gotta lose points for being in a silly band with a lame , over-blown catalogue.

Did I miss a memo on Iron Maiden or something?! When did the reappraisal start? (Don't get the love--I was laughing at them when I was ten )
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post #13 of 19
7/28/08 at 2:01pm
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Did I miss a memo on Iron Maiden or something?! When did the reappraisal start? (Don't get the love--I was laughing at them when I was ten)
Musical tastes vary. I'd say that their early 80s output is fairly essential for the heavy metal genre. by the late 80s, they started to suck and churn out product that all sounded the same. Complacency, maybe? I don't know.

Regardless of your opinion of the band, Steve knows how to play a heavy metal bass. He's got the rolling groove down better than anyone else than I can think of.
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post #14 of 19
7/28/08 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
Agree about Stanley Clarke. But the metal-heads always want to bring in Steve Harris. Give me a break--no matter how technically brilliant, gotta lose points for being in a silly band with a lame , over-blown catalogue.

Did I miss a memo on Iron Maiden or something?! When did the reappraisal start? (Don't get the love--I was laughing at them when I was ten )

Well aren't you enlightened?

Rock music is silly no matter what the catalogue looks like, and Steve Harris (and Maiden in general) get undue scorn from Rolling Stone/Spin minded classic rock followers.

The Harris bass playing sound has almost nothing to do with "Heavy Metal" and I've never heard anyone play with his style and tone (not to mention stamina) on any traditional Heavy Metal album unless they were directly ripping him off. He deserves more respect.

This Entwistle clip is great.
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post #15 of 19
7/28/08 at 2:28pm
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The Harris bass playing sound has almost nothing to do with "Heavy Metal" and I've never heard anyone play with his style and tone (not to mention stamina) on any traditional Heavy Metal album unless they were directly ripping him off. He deserves more respect.
You nailed it on the stamina bit. When you watch him play, his right hand is a virtual blur on the strings. The sheer amount of notes that he hits has got to be exhausting, but that's what creates that rolling bass that undercuts the music.
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post #16 of 19
7/28/08 at 2:56pm
Flea.

Seriously. I really like him.
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post #17 of 19
7/28/08 at 2:58pm
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Flea.

Seriously. I really like him.
No argument from me. I don't care for the RHCP all that much, but there's no denying his talent and skill.
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post #18 of 19
7/28/08 at 3:18pm
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No argument from me. I don't care for the RHCP all that much, but there's no denying his talent and skill.
True dat. Blood Sugar Sex Magik must be the most underrated whitey funk record out there (in spite of it being their major hit album, if that makes any sense). A true example of restrained funk playing, accentuated at only the exact right time with a brilliant little flourish.

But on topic: that Entwistle video is out there.
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post #19 of 19
8/3/08 at 4:29pm
Jack Bruce and Greg Lake were strong, underrated bassists.
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