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Lost Season 5 (pre-season links and speculation)

post #1 of 287
7/28/08 at 7:59pm
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It was brought up in the Lost Season 4 thread that we should start a thread to discuss all the information that came out of Comic Con and that will continue to be revealed prior to Season 5's air date, and as a way to not clutter up the actual Season 5 thread with 20 pages of pre-season chatter. So voila!

Here are some links that Chewers have already started discussing in the Season 4 thread:

Lost podcast

The Lost women of Lost

'Lost' producers drop hints about next season

A few bread crumbs for Lost fans

A very blurry Dharma video

LA Times transcript of the Q&A session at Comic Con

Dharma wants you

Some of this stuff summed up:

* There will be 17 hours of "Lost" each in the next two seasons.

* The island did not travel when the hatch imploded, but something did happen.

* We'll see more of Locke and Jin on the show. "Dead is a relative term," and there's still a lot of story to be told about those characters.

* Their favorite episodes are "The Constant" (Carlton) and "Exodus" (Damon). Damon adds that he really liked season four, and he admitted the show has had its "ups and downs."

* They reiterated that getting an end date for the show has really reinvigorated it in terms of giving it energy and purpose.

* We will see Rousseau's story this year, but it won't exactly be a flashback. We're done with flashbacks and flashforwards, but there will be some time-jumping excitement anyway. There will be storytelling on and off the island, and in different periods of time.

* Vincent the Dog is fine and will be in season five — and will survive until the end of the show.

* The Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle is central to the show, and we'll see more interesting permutations of it over the next two seasons. And Kate will see Sawyer again.

* The nameless extras in the Zodiac boat with Farraday, stranded with the island gone, may be toast, but "things are looking up" for Farraday himself.

* Speaking of Daniel, he has a little notebook that tells him stuff that's happened, and stuff that will happen soon, and it's going to figure prominently in season five.

* Richard Alpert is "quite old," thanks to the island's mystical properties, and we'll see more of his history this year. We'll also see him barefoot in "the near future, pun intended," so we'll find out how many toes he has.
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post #2 of 287
7/28/08 at 8:03pm
Nice Diva.

To hit the ground running I am reposting the last posts of the old, now abandoned Season 4 thread again. Sorry for quoting myself....
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Man, if the show becomes a bunch of our heroes traveling through time to undo all the major events and deaths that happened over the last 4 years, I'm going to be fucking pissed.
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True. True.

But those little nuggets lend some evidence to that speculation. I am putting it into invisotext, just in case:

- "Death is a relative term on this show" - The producers
- We will see Rousseau again in a flash-something.
- Locke will be back.
- Faraday has a notebook that has stuff written about the past and the future in it that will play a key role in season 5.
- He is featured in the new video as well. And in said video "Dr. Candle" describes events from the future.

This might very well be just another case of me being misled by the producers. But if Schwartz us remotely right I am going to be pissed as well.
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post #3 of 287
7/28/08 at 8:12pm
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I'm not a fan of the righting all the wrongs time travel theory either. I have faith the show won't go that way. Although, after watching the new Dharma video, it seems like Pierre Chang (aka Marvin Candle) suggests just that.
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post #4 of 287
7/28/08 at 8:22pm
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I'm not a fan of the righting all the wrongs time travel theory either. I have faith the show won't go that way. Although, after watching the new Dharma video, it seems like Pierre Chang (aka Marvin Candle) suggests just that.
I want to think they know better than to do something so stupid, but now that I think about it, I've been told that Alias (which I never saw) kinda went off the rails at the end, and that even Cloverfield didn't exactly stick the landing.
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post #5 of 287
7/28/08 at 8:34pm
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I didn't watch Alias and thought the ending to Cloverfield was fine. My guess is that instead of a Quantum Leap-type story, we'll see alternative timelines. I've been stuck on Faraday's journal ever since "the Constant" and feel like imaginary time/space will play a role.

This is quite interesting as it combines Minkowski space and imaginary space in one theory.
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post #6 of 287
7/28/08 at 9:36pm
I still have hope that they'll do fine with the ending, if only for the fact that they have all this time to work it out. Being nerds themselves, it's not like are unaware of shows that suck at ending (X-Files, I'm looking at you).
I'm really happy to see that Rousseau's story won't be dropped.
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post #7 of 287
7/28/08 at 9:56pm
I was bummed out no one asked about Mr. Ecko returning to the show during the CC panels.
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post #8 of 287
7/29/08 at 12:35am
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Well since the actor asked to be let out of contract, I think its pretty definitive he's not coming back. The show had lots of plans for Eko had he wanted to stay on.
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post #9 of 287
7/29/08 at 1:34am
Oh god im loving this show more then ever but alternate timelines? Going back and changing things? I never did like those kinds of stories and I have a feeling it's going to get over complicated and run off the rails. This could be bad. Thts means that technically none of the characters are dead. I mean if you can just go back and change anything you want.
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post #10 of 287
7/29/08 at 1:48am
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I was bummed out no one asked about Mr. Ecko returning to the show during the CC panels.
They did. Damon and Carlton said he was one of their favorite characters and they were super pissed he left and it still bothers them. They hired the one guy on the planet that hates Hawaii. What are the odds of that? They said a lot of the cast plans on staying there after the show is done, but from day one he wanted to get the fuck back to London as soon as possible. I think he burned the shit out of that bridge.
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post #11 of 287
7/29/08 at 1:50am
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Oh god im loving this show more then ever but alternate timelines? Going back and changing things? I never did like those kinds of stories and I have a feeling it's going to get over complicated and run off the rails. This could be bad. Thts means that technically none of the characters are dead. I mean if you can just go back and change anything you want.
I'm pretty sure none of this is going to happen. Relax.
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post #12 of 287
7/29/08 at 2:02am
Yeah, Walt, take a deep breath. This happens every season with this show...a small clue will get dropped, someone extrapolates a possible meaning and suddenly it's God's honest truth. C'mon, people. We can do better.
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post #13 of 287
7/29/08 at 2:08am
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Yeah, Walt, take a deep breath. This happens every season with this show...a small clue will get dropped, someone extrapolates a possible meaning and suddenly it's God's honest truth. C'mon, people. We can do better.
To be fair, the Candle video brings this idea up very directly. It doesn't take much extrapolation to bring it out.

Still, I have a hard time believing they would be so dense as to use the last third of their 6 year run to invalidate in the first 2/3.
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post #14 of 287
7/29/08 at 9:43am
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I'm pretty sure the new video was made specifically for Comic Con and won't be aired on the show, as previous videos were. I don't consider it canon.
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post #15 of 287
7/29/08 at 9:59am
As far as the Rousseau tidbit said in the first post, they can always do what they did with Charlie last year and appear as visions to people.

Regardless, I'm both pumped and sad that we're entering the 5th season this coming year because it means there's only one left. Although it will be nice to finally get more background on the island itself because that's always been one of my favorite characters of the show.
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post #16 of 287
7/29/08 at 11:01am
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Still, I have a hard time believing they would be so dense as to use the last third of their 6 year run to invalidate in the first 2/3.
I share that concern. I hope that the plan is more elegant than "everybody jumps around in time to fill all of the logic gaps." We'll see.

I just finished re-watching Season 2 last night . . . I like it MUCH better than when I first saw it, simply because so much of the current story began that season. Season 1 established the characters and some mythology, but S2 is the one that starts building towards future seasons. It's so hard to believe that the Desmond / Penny stuff didn't even start until the S2 finale.

Re-watching it also made me even more pissed about how Michael's character was handled in S4. I had also forgotten about how Walt was "more than they could handle," according to Ben, referring, I'm assuming, to his psychic abilities. Klugh poses a question to Michael, along the lines of, "Did Walt have a habit of appearing and disappearing suddenly?" or something to that effect. I hope that comes back to play a key role in Seasons 5 and 6.
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post #17 of 287
7/29/08 at 11:11am
Well I REALLY hope you guys are right. And if you aren't I will travel back through time back to this moment and rub your faces in it.
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post #18 of 287
7/29/08 at 2:04pm
Thanks Diva. you missed the opportunity to start a poll with How many toes...
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post #19 of 287
8/1/08 at 12:16pm
Let the speculative madness begin.

Anyone else sign up for the Dharma 'volunteer' program? I never do viral marketing, but I couldn't help myself - I took the 'test'. Let's see if anything fun comes of it.

As for the speculation on the direction of the show - to be honest, as long as they keep doing characterization and relationship stuff as well as they have, I won't care what the ultimate sci-fi hook of the show is, as long as it's executed as well as they've executed so much of this show so far.
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post #20 of 287
8/1/08 at 12:25pm
I took the test and loved that they cribbed the Tortoise question from Blade Runner. If you're gonna steal, steal well.
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post #21 of 287
8/1/08 at 3:09pm
I will never understand all the love for Rousseau.

Never.
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post #22 of 287
8/1/08 at 3:51pm
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I will never understand all the love for Rousseau.

Never.
Me either.

That said, I can understand people attaching themselves to Rousseau because of the larger backstory that she inherently promised to tell.

In other words - I don't like the actress that played her too much, I've never thought much of her character, and she brought zilch to the dynamics of the interplay between the characters, but I still want to know what happened to her crew.
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post #23 of 287
8/1/08 at 3:59pm
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I will never understand all the love for Rousseau.

Never.
Me neither, Jake. The real tragedy is that they offed Alex right after she went through an inexplicable between-episodes hot spurt.
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post #24 of 287
8/1/08 at 4:09pm
"Hot spurt". Ick.

Tho' I guess I do agree about knowing the fate of Rousseau's shipmates.
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post #25 of 287
8/1/08 at 4:46pm
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"Hot spurt". Ick.

Tho' I guess I do agree about knowing the fate of Rousseau's shipmates.
Honestly, I think that if they hadn't included that promising little nugget of as-yet-unrevealed story in her earlier dialogue, no one would care that Rousseau died.
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post #26 of 287
8/2/08 at 5:40pm
Nice post, Diva, thanks for the links! Glad to know that Faraday's probably okay, although I wonder how a raft full of red-shirts dies and he alone lives. Also glad to know that Vincent's fine till the end.
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post #27 of 287
8/7/08 at 4:57pm
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New cast members!
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post #28 of 287
8/7/08 at 5:06pm
Since they already have a female in her late something I will be really sad if Juliet gets less screentime.
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post #29 of 287
8/7/08 at 5:33pm
Just as I opened this thread I was looking at the casting breakdowns on another computer.

12 Days before shooting and they haven't cast two new characters with large roles?
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post #30 of 287
8/7/08 at 5:35pm
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Since they already have a female in her late something I will be really sad if Juliet gets less screentime.
Interesting you say that, this was posted at TV Guide yesterday:
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Is there hope for a Jack-Juliet reunion? – Tamuna
Matt: Hope? Sure. It's just a matter of where (back on the island, I can only assume) and when (perhaps as early as this coming season, at least one source tells me). And for those fretting about Elizabeth Mitchell's future with the show, I am assured that Juliet figures very heavily into Season 5. Me, I see her and Sawyer (wet and shirtless or even dry and clothed) taking charge as Locke and his band of worshippers move forth with whatever cockamamy plan they have in mind.
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post #31 of 287
8/7/08 at 6:12pm
Great news then. Red herring or not there was some hint when a barely sober Juliet was left alone at the beach and our hero Sawyer appeared at the finale.
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post #32 of 287
8/7/08 at 8:10pm
I like how Foxy hinted at Jack's arc turning to redemption for the last 2 seasons, illustrated nicely with arcing hand motion.

http://tv.ign.com/dor/objects/821880...908_drs08.html
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post #33 of 287
8/8/08 at 1:23am
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Me either.

That said, I can understand people attaching themselves to Rousseau because of the larger backstory that she inherently promised to tell.

In other words - I don't like the actress that played her too much, I've never thought much of her character, and she brought zilch to the dynamics of the interplay between the characters, but I still want to know what happened to her crew.
That's totally it. She's been on the island for 16 years. She's gotta know more than what the show has portrayed her as knowing.
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post #34 of 287
8/8/08 at 2:12am
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I like how Foxy hinted at Jack's arc turning to redemption for the last 2 seasons, illustrated nicely with arcing hand motion.
That'll be interesting. I haven't quite understood the motivation for Sawyer's redemption; it seemed rather arbitrary. Jack's plummet to a booze-addled wreck was handled much better.
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post #35 of 287
8/8/08 at 1:18pm
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That'll be interesting. I haven't quite understood the motivation for Sawyer's redemption; it seemed rather arbitrary.
That's interesting.

I'd almost argue the reverse (I like to argue).

I adore what they've done with Sawyer's character - all the moreso because so much of his transition from Randian self-interest to big-brotherly gruffness has happened so gradually and almost sub-textually that it feels more genuine to me than Jack's head-first plunge into boozen'pillsn'despair. It's less telegraphed, and feels more like a natural evolution of the character based on his interaction with the other people on the island, and less like the writers needing pathos.

This is not to say that I don't like grizzly adams Jack, just that his arc's felt somewhat more plot-driven, while Sawyer's evolution feels almost random, and an outgrowth of his collective experiences, and that feels more like how people tend to change in real life to me. It's internal, not external, if that makes sense.
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post #36 of 287
8/8/08 at 1:20pm
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I adore what they've done with Sawyer's character - all the moreso because so much of his transition from Randian self-interest to big-brotherly gruffness has happened so gradually and almost sub-textually that it feels more genuine to me than Jack's head-first plunge into boozen'pillsn'despair.
I think Sawyer's transition has been helped by the range of his experiences . . . It seems Jack's entire life has been one long, angsty, always-on-the-verge-of-tears slog.
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post #37 of 287
8/8/08 at 1:33pm
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I think Sawyer's transition has been helped by the range of his experiences . . . It seems Jack's entire life has been one long, angsty, always-on-the-verge-of-tears slog.
That's part of my point - Jack's life, as protrayed by the writers, feels like a typical hero's journey/slog. It's very well done, but it's a constant barrage of thematically-linked pain that's very much story-driven.

Sawyer's journey has been more like real life, if only in the way that his wider range of experiences provide no clear progressive throughline from a narrative-construction standpoint.

Sawyer's defense of Claire in the jungle is a perfect example. There's no writer setup to point out a contrast between how Sawyer used to behave with her or the baby, and no thematically appropriate flashback. His behavior simply changes, and the viewers can conjecture as to why, based on how his overall relationship with everyone has evolved, on a person-by-person basis.

It's a credit to the writers, I think, that I completely and utterly buy into it.
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post #38 of 287
8/8/08 at 4:11pm
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That's part of my point - Jack's life, as protrayed by the writers, feels like a typical hero's journey/slog. It's very well done, but it's a constant barrage of thematically-linked pain that's very much story-driven.
The wildcard would be that they don't play a straightforward redemption stuff with Jack.
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post #39 of 287
8/8/08 at 4:28pm
I don't know. To me the characters/relationship of the show are/is Desmond and Penny. Knowing they reunited, but Ben has sworn to kill Penny in retribution for Alex's death haunts my LOST nightmares.
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post #40 of 287
8/8/08 at 6:40pm
I wonder what's going to happen with the Desmond/Penny storyline next season. They don't really play into the whole get-everyone-back-to-the-Island-and-revive-the-dead thing (unless Ben needs Desmond to return to the Island as well), but I doubt Damon and Carlton, those heartless bastards, would let them have more than a few episodes of reunited peace. Could Ben mark Penny-killing off his to-do list early?
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post #41 of 287
8/8/08 at 7:31pm
I don't know that I'd go as far as saying that Sawyer's story is particularly realistic (the guy's an impossibly handsome con artist that found revenge on the man who caused the death of his parents on a desert island), but I agree that over the last season his change had a more organic feel. Basically, I think Sawyer's flashbacks are as silly and far-fetched as they come (well, other than Kate's), but the less he is used to drive the plot, the more I like him as a character.
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post #42 of 287
8/8/08 at 7:55pm
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Basically, I think Sawyer's flashbacks are as silly and far-fetched as they come (well, other than Kate's), but the less he is used to drive the plot, the more I like him as a character.
Same here but Kate is integral to the plot driven stuff since she is on mainland and with no other than screwdriver in the morning Jack. Lilly knows how to act sexy that's for sure.
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post #43 of 287
8/9/08 at 2:43am
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That's part of my point - Jack's life, as protrayed by the writers, feels like a typical hero's journey/slog. It's very well done, but it's a constant barrage of thematically-linked pain that's very much story-driven.

Sawyer's journey has been more like real life, if only in the way that his wider range of experiences provide no clear progressive throughline from a narrative-construction standpoint.
Sawyer's journey has also included at least three acts of cold-blooded murder. Maybe not cold-blooded exactly, but certainly against unarmed, sometimes helpless victims. Have things yet come back around on him, as his first victim promised?
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post #44 of 287
8/11/08 at 8:06pm
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20218344,00.html

should we submit this stuff to the main site? I will enjoy a take by thud.
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post #45 of 287
8/11/08 at 10:40pm
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The Candle video was linked to in the first post. The only new tidbit of info is the title of the first episode. I don't think that is THUD worthy, but others might. It never hurts to submit news.
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post #46 of 287
8/11/08 at 11:18pm
I was suggesting a further thud not a follow up from this stuff. Shitty link sorry I will read it before next time.
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post #47 of 287
8/12/08 at 9:35am
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Sawyer's journey has also included at least three acts of cold-blooded murder. Maybe not cold-blooded exactly, but certainly against unarmed, sometimes helpless victims. Have things yet come back around on him, as his first victim promised?
Not as of yet, as far as I'm aware.

And organic is a good word for what I was attempting to say before.
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post #48 of 287
8/12/08 at 9:54am
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Sawyer's journey has also included at least three acts of cold-blooded murder. Maybe not cold-blooded exactly, but certainly against unarmed, sometimes helpless victims. Have things yet come back around on him, as his first victim promised?
But the one at the end of Season 3 is one of my favorites scenes in the series.

Tom: Ok, I give up.
Sawyer: *blam* That's for taking the kid off the raft

I just love that and also love when they told Sawyer that Tom was giving up and his reply was, "I didn't believe him." I know it's cold blooded but I'd like to think that would be my answer in that kind of situation.

Also, I like the idea posited of Juliet and Sawyer becoming leaders opposite of Locke's viewpoint.
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post #49 of 287
8/12/08 at 10:22am
Anyone else get an email from Dharma?

No new info that I saw at first glance - just an in-character warning about the footage that was "leaked" at Comicon.

It implies that this year's viral/online game/experience should be revving up in the next few weeks.
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post #50 of 287
8/12/08 at 11:14am
I got it yesterday too.
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