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post #51 of 287
8/15/08 at 12:59pm
Another email from Dharmawantsyou.com.

Excerpted:

"I have heard from many of you in recent weeks via email asking what will be assessed in the program and what the nature of our latest research is. I have found your enthusiasm and relentless curiosity extremely endearing."

There's just the right amount of paternalistic condescension in that last sentence. If this is nothing more than v3.0 of an online game involving dissecting email coding and whatnot, I'll be sitting it out. But I really enjoy the level of detail and thought these folks put into this stuff.
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post #52 of 287
8/20/08 at 8:55pm
I just can't do ARGs anymore, especially with LOST. I'd rather just watch the show.
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post #53 of 287
8/25/08 at 6:31pm
Damn myself! Apparently one character is coming back for 5.2. that I never thought we would see again. It might be a minor appearance but I am putting it in invisotext nonetheless so people can remained unspoiled.

For the ones as weak as me: EW reports that Ana Lucia will be back in this episode. In what capacity - flashback, ghost, whatever - remains to be seen.

So I think it is safe to say that it is unavoidable that spoilers are about to start leaking now.
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post #54 of 287
8/26/08 at 12:48pm
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Ahh, Jan beat me to it. Here's a link to the article *semi-spoiler for people who don't want to know cast info*
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post #55 of 287
8/26/08 at 1:51pm
I too dislike the trajectory Sawyers arc has taken. He was murdering con man, who decides to become a self sacrificing nice guy, even his interactions with Hurley in S5 betray his previous actions. Sure characters can develop, but the dramatic shift behind Sawyers character doesn't appear to be driven by anything, it definitely makes him a less interesting character from the selfish one he has been.
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post #56 of 287
8/26/08 at 2:28pm
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I too dislike the trajectory Sawyers arc has taken. He was murdering con man, who decides to become a self sacrificing nice guy, even his interactions with Hurley in S5 betray his previous actions. Sure characters can develop, but the dramatic shift behind Sawyers character doesn't appear to be driven by anything, it definitely makes him a less interesting character from the selfish one he has been.
Not driven by anything? Of course he's a brand new person. It all occurred in "The Brig." The one thing he'd defined himself by -- this con man, and revenge -- he'd finally accomplished. The letter he's carried for decades is destroyed, and the man who ruined his life finally murdered by his own hand. How can anyone possibly expect him to come out of that incident without being drastically affected to his core? That was a massive tectonic shift for that character, a major upheaval.

He literally no longer needs to be "Sawyer," but he's probably not entirely sure who he is without that persona. He's less and less reactive to being called James. He is James again. And his better nature has begun to assert itself, after being buried by a lifetime of self-loathing, confidence-game acting, and revenge obsession.

Everyone's been affected by their time on the Island, and Sawyer's been softening since the first season. But he's also the one character on the show (besides Locke) with a single redefining Island moment that explains his subsequent development.
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post #57 of 287
8/26/08 at 3:22pm
Now bring Libby back. She deserves it. And explain her Desmond brutha connection.
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post #58 of 287
8/26/08 at 3:32pm
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Not driven by anything? Of course he's a brand new person. It all occurred in "The Brig." The one thing he'd defined himself by -- this con man, and revenge -- he'd finally accomplished. The letter he's carried for decades is destroyed, and the man who ruined his life finally murdered by his own hand. How can anyone possibly expect him to come out of that incident without being drastically affected to his core? That was a massive tectonic shift for that character, a major upheaval.

He literally no longer needs to be "Sawyer," but he's probably not entirely sure who he is without that persona. He's less and less reactive to being called James. He is James again. And his better nature has begun to assert itself, after being buried by a lifetime of self-loathing, confidence-game acting, and revenge obsession.

Everyone's been affected by their time on the Island, and Sawyer's been softening since the first season. But he's also the one character on the show (besides Locke) with a single redefining Island moment that explains his subsequent development.
Nicely put.
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post #59 of 287
8/26/08 at 4:17pm
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Now bring Libby back. She deserves it. And explain her Desmond brutha connection.
I think that is bound to happen. She popped up in too many incidents that it can be put away by merely incidental by the writers or just dropped altogether.

And I am sure I read somewhere that her connection to the mythology will be explained this season. My fingers are crossed on this one.
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post #60 of 287
8/26/08 at 5:09pm
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I think that is bound to happen. She popped up in too many incidents that it can be put away by merely incidental by the writers or just dropped altogether.

And I am sure I read somewhere that her connection to the mythology will be explained this season. My fingers are crossed on this one.
Me too.

..........WHY ISN'T SEASON FIVE HERE YET????
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post #61 of 287
8/27/08 at 1:40am
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I think that is bound to happen. She popped up in too many incidents that it can be put away by merely incidental by the writers or just dropped altogether.

And I am sure I read somewhere that her connection to the mythology will be explained this season. My fingers are crossed on this one.


Me too.
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post #62 of 287
8/27/08 at 2:05am
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Not driven by anything? Of course he's a brand new person. It all occurred in "The Brig." The one thing he'd defined himself by -- this con man, and revenge -- he'd finally accomplished. The letter he's carried for decades is destroyed, and the man who ruined his life finally murdered by his own hand. How can anyone possibly expect him to come out of that incident without being drastically affected to his core? That was a massive tectonic shift for that character, a major upheaval.

He literally no longer needs to be "Sawyer," but he's probably not entirely sure who he is without that persona. He's less and less reactive to being called James. He is James again. And his better nature has begun to assert itself, after being buried by a lifetime of self-loathing, confidence-game acting, and revenge obsession.

Everyone's been affected by their time on the Island, and Sawyer's been softening since the first season. But he's also the one character on the show (besides Locke) with a single redefining Island moment that explains his subsequent development.
Just wanted to say...great post.
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post #63 of 287
8/27/08 at 2:29am
Agreed.
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post #64 of 287
9/4/08 at 6:53pm
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/09/...asts-zule.html

Sayid will gang her.
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post #65 of 287
9/4/08 at 6:58pm
Gaia from ROME? Oh, shit. I like.
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post #66 of 287
9/4/08 at 8:34pm
Firstly, Mr. Trav... very nicely worded response about Sawyer. I don't know why, but I'd never given that situation the proper weight before. I mean, I always knew what you highlighted, but I'm always so concerned with all the other crazy shit on the show, I often miss the whole significance of some of the character stuff.

I'm so fucking excited I found this thread! There's been nowhere for me to blather on about Lost online until now. Tried the "4815162342.com" forums but... my god. Combine the worst fanboyism with an overwhelming number of complete idiots and... yeah.
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post #67 of 287
9/4/08 at 11:06pm
i dont even know where to begin with lost. im so excited for the new season that i might defacate myself
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post #68 of 287
9/5/08 at 1:00am
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I'm always so concerned with all the other crazy shit on the show, I often miss the whole significance of some of the character stuff.
The character stuff is the show. The mythology won't and can't be answered satisfactorily, me thinks.
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post #69 of 287
9/5/08 at 2:25am
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The character stuff is the show. The mythology won't and can't be answered satisfactorily, me thinks.
Oh, I know. It's why we all keep watching. If a team was doing the same show (storywise) but didn't have the grasp of character work and story telling, it'd be the dumbest shit I've ever seen.

But, I love every single aspect of the show, so sometimes things get missed. In particular, the Season 3-4 stuff I really only watched once. I just went through whole series up to this point (roped my girlfriend into watching it).

Have any of you looked at the "Lost Book Club?" It's quite revealing/interesting in terms of hints towards the nature of the show. Or maybe not. Either way, it gives you a lot of insight into some of the inspiration for the backdrop of the show. Look at all the books and wiki them. It's interesting the ways the plots reflect on the story of the show.

It's also giving me lots of new books to put on my all too long "to read" list.
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post #70 of 287
9/5/08 at 2:31am
So the first casting news start pouring in:

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As I first reported last month, Ilana is described as a European female who possesses great intelligence but who's also dangerous as all get out. She's alluring and apparently used to getting her own way.
I like what I see....
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post #71 of 287
9/5/08 at 2:38am
That picture makes her face look lopsided, but rest assured she was hot as boiling piss on Rome. Amazing how this show still finds ways to cast hotter and hotter after all these years.
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post #72 of 287
9/5/08 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by joeypants View Post
Oh, I know. It's why we all keep watching. If a team was doing the same show (storywise) but didn't have the grasp of character work and story telling, it'd be the dumbest shit I've ever seen.

But, I love every single aspect of the show, so sometimes things get missed. In particular, the Season 3-4 stuff I really only watched once. I just went through whole series up to this point (roped my girlfriend into watching it).

Have any of you looked at the "Lost Book Club?" It's quite revealing/interesting in terms of hints towards the nature of the show. Or maybe not. Either way, it gives you a lot of insight into some of the inspiration for the backdrop of the show. Look at all the books and wiki them. It's interesting the ways the plots reflect on the story of the show.

It's also giving me lots of new books to put on my all too long "to read" list.
Lostpedia is my source of all things Lost related. But yeah, numerous sites, including this board, bring up the references each week so I have a handle on the what the mythology could be.
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post #73 of 287
9/5/08 at 7:01pm
Quick aside...

Does anyone know why Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje left Lost? I've read conflicting things; that he didn't like Hawaii, that his parents died and he wanted to leave, that he clashed with Terry O'Quinn (I think).

It's just that reading the recent interview with either Cuse or Lindeloff I was surprised that they had planned to keep his character on until the end and were disappointed that he wanted to leave. I'd always thought that Eko had run his course - but then I don't know if they wrapped up his character quickly because of this or not...

I did like me some Adebisi on the island though.
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post #74 of 287
9/5/08 at 7:04pm
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Quick aside...

Does anyone know why Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje left Lost? I've read conflicting things; that he didn't like Hawaii, that his parents died and he wanted to leave, that he clashed with Terry O'Quinn (I think).
All of the above.
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post #75 of 287
9/5/08 at 7:11pm
Fair enough

(I suppose they weren't that conflicting really)
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post #76 of 287
9/6/08 at 10:52am
His flashes were real lame.
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post #77 of 287
9/6/08 at 5:31pm
It's weird that I actually WANT to see some flashbacks now, but then again that's because there's a whole host of new characters who's history I want to get into (Richard, Charles Widmore, Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, etc.). Hell, if it wasn't for the obvious aging issues, I would love to see a flashback revealing just what The Others were doing to Walt all of season two.

I bet ya that the series finale will have flash forwards of an adult Aaron.
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post #78 of 287
9/8/08 at 4:47am
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Lost star Alan Dale stopped watching his own show during its third season because he "got sick" of its repetitive script and outlandish storylines.

The Australian actor claims scriptwriters failed to keep him interested during a particularly bad stretch of the hit series.

Dale - who plays Charles Widmore - tells Digital Spy, "I got sick of following it. It went through a lull in scripts in the third season.

"At that point I felt like I had watched them wandering in a line through the forests, a bit sweaty, for the 1,000th time.

"I thought 'I can't watch this anymore'. Then, out of the bushes, came a black cloud, which grabbed a black man and threw him to the ground, and I thought 'I definitely can't watch this anymore'."
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post #79 of 287
9/8/08 at 5:05am
That's real professional, Alan.
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post #80 of 287
9/8/08 at 9:32am
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Source? Seems fake considering we just finished the 4th season. And pretty much everyone thought there were problems in the 3rd season.
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post #81 of 287
9/8/08 at 9:40am
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Source? Seems fake considering we just finished the 4th season
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a1289...ost-greys.html
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post #82 of 287
9/8/08 at 9:55am
I wonder if the whipsaw plotting and depth of characterization on the O.C. were more his speed?

Can't fault the guy for not enjoying the show. Plenty of people claim that Lost is too boring/weird/unrealistic/unsatisfying now. I think they're all crazy, but it's not like he's the only guy who's grown tired of the island.

Salon's tv critic put it well when she called Lost "Tantric Television". Not everyone wants hours and hours of delayed gratification, no matter how good it is.

Again, those people are crazy.
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post #83 of 287
9/8/08 at 12:34pm
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the link.

Yeah, the guy seems nuts. I mean there was lots to hate about Lost in season 3, but Smokey sightings were not one of them. Although I can see how hard it is to invest yourself in a character that you don't know much about.
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post #84 of 287
9/8/08 at 12:41pm
This only deepens my dislike of the character which works within the context of the show.

As for how other people feel about the show, I have lent my season sets to at least 5 or 10 people at work and they're now converts and can't wait until the new episodes.
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post #85 of 287
9/8/08 at 6:13pm
If he's talking about the first 6 episodes of season 3, he's at least being honest. Those episodes offered a whole lot of 'more of the same' with few new offerings or insights.

Season 3 didn't start to ramp up until Desmond's episode which also happened to be the first time that the writers altered the flashback dynamic.
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post #86 of 287
9/8/08 at 8:07pm
I recently re-watched Season 3, and I think it's easily the worst season of the show. While it ended strong (and the season finale was amazing), the flashback format was clearly showing its strain. Locke at the commune, Sayid working as a chef in Paris, Jack and those goddamn tattoos . . . All of those flashbacks were pointless.
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post #87 of 287
9/8/08 at 8:51pm
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Reading your summaries of season 3 (I don't remember them all that much) makes me feel the guy is even more nuts for complaining about Smokey. Those bits were gold in vast array of poop.
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post #88 of 287
9/9/08 at 2:14am
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"I thought 'I can't watch this anymore'. Then, out of the bushes, came a black cloud, which grabbed a black man and threw him to the ground, and I thought 'I definitely can't watch this anymore'."
Is he trying to insinuate something with what I put in bold? Some kind of hidden racism he thinks the show carries or something? I kinda read it like he's implying that to some effect.
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post #89 of 287
9/9/08 at 3:25am
He's saying the only connection between the series of random events he sees onscreen are the color of the smoke and the color of Mr. Eko's skin. I think it's refreshing when actors speak candidly. This series also produced Harold Perrineau's rant about how disappointing his return was. And Terry O'Quinn's displeasure with his character in season two.
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post #90 of 287
9/9/08 at 9:35am
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He's saying the only connection between the series of random events he sees onscreen are the color of the smoke and the color of Mr. Eko's skin.
I thought he was just using the word "black" twice in a sentence.
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post #91 of 287
9/9/08 at 11:04am
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Is he trying to insinuate something with what I put in bold? Some kind of hidden racism he thinks the show carries or something? I kinda read it like he's implying that to some effect.
He wouldn't be the first actor on the show to insinuate that. Perrineau, Mr Eko, an O'Quinn have all raised concerns about the way black men are portrayed on the show.

I
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recently re-watched Season 3, and I think it's easily the worst season of the show. While it ended strong (and the season finale was amazing), the flashback format was clearly showing its strain. Locke at the commune, Sayid working as a chef in Paris, Jack and those goddamn tattoos . . . All of those flashbacks were pointless.
I especially agree with you about the flashbacks. I remember commenting that HRG's flashback on Heroes was much better then Jack and Kate's flashbacks and I was roasted for it. But season 3 is when they were clearly just doing flashbacks to satisfy fans of the main characters, as they often had no real substance and we would have been better served with flashbacks to Rousseau or Tom.
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post #92 of 287
9/9/08 at 11:09am
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But season 3 is when they were clearly just doing flashbacks to satisfy fans of the main characters, as they often had no real substance and we would have been better served with flashbacks to Rousseau or Tom.
Actually, what they were doing was negotiating an end to the show so they could figure out how much mythology to reveal each season.

Rousseau knows nothing. She lived on the island for 16 years thinking the Others were some sort of hillbilly baby-stealers. She doesn't know jack squat about Dhama, the hatches, or any of their tests.

Tom? Who gives a shit about his flashback? Unless you're into sexy man-on-man love. Alpert is the man with all the secrets!
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post #93 of 287
9/9/08 at 11:14am
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Rousseau knows nothing. She lived on the island for 16 years thinking the Others were some sort of hillbilly baby-stealers. She doesn't know jack squat about Dhama, the hatches, or any of their tests.

Tom? Who gives a shit about his flashback? Unless you're into sexy man-on-man love. Alpert is the man with all the secrets!
Rousseau was an intriguing character and there is still enough room to tie her unknown backstory into the greater myth.

And Tom showed up in Michaels flashback. Maybe only a henchman but I would have preferred to know something about him rather than the tenth daddy issue flashback.
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post #94 of 287
9/9/08 at 11:24am
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Honestly, I don't get the Rousseau love. She is not interesting to me.

Tom showed up in Michael's flashback in Season 4. There was no indication he'd be an interesting person to follow in Season 3.

My point in any case is the first half of Season 3 was a wash not because the writers wanted to fulfill the fans wishes of seeing more Jack and Kate flashbacks (as Frank insinuated), but because they were still trying figure out how much information regarding the larger mythology to unfold, and when.
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post #95 of 287
9/9/08 at 8:08pm
choke http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/09/exclusive-will.html
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post #96 of 287
9/11/08 at 8:04am
More casting news.

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Last week, Michael Ausiello reported the addition of New Amsterdam alum Zuleikha Robinson. This week, we’d like to introduce you to Saïd Taghmaoui, a French thesp most recently seen in the Don Cheadle thriller Traitor. He’ll play Caesar, a mystery man who...um...well, that’s all we got. But the producers say the actor’s skill set fits the part. “He has an innate intelligence, intensity, and danger we really responded to,” says Lindelof, who declined to specify whether Caesar is good or bad. However, Cuse teases that the character will be playing “an important part of the setup for the final act of the show in season 6." He also confirms that Robinson’s Ilana is associated with Caesar, and likens her to Heath Ledger’s Joker in The Dark Knight. “There was something very unsettling about the way the Joker kept telling different stories about his background -- something very similar to what we had planned for Ilana,” he says.
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post #97 of 287
9/11/08 at 9:20am
The writers have said that the Alcatraz island was basically a metaphor for how they felt in approaching the show. Since they didn't know how long it was going to go at the time they were essentially stalling. I don't mind that there are still trying to introduce new characters as much as I hope they stop after this year. By the last season they really should just be focused on getting everyone we know and love to the finish line in a successful manner. If these new people help them accomplish that, great but I hope they aren't starting new arcs for new people in season 6.
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post #98 of 287
9/11/08 at 9:38am
If they show the same focus on the upcoming seasons as they did on this past season everything will be fine. Keep in mind that these new characters aren't necessarily major. They may provide important story elements, but won't take up that much storytelling real estate. See: Minkowski.

The first three seasons all had mid-season sag, the third being the worst. It's not just having an end date, but also having shorter seasons that's helped. That's worked for shows like Dexter and The Wire. The creators are just applying the same logic.
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post #99 of 287
9/11/08 at 12:57pm
Thread Starter 
I hoping we get flashbacks of the Freighter Four. I can't think of more interesting characters than Mile, Daniel, Charlotte, and Lapidus, right now.
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post #100 of 287
9/11/08 at 3:17pm
My understanding is that a Freighter Four episode was planned for last season before the writers' strike. The addition of one episode each to the final two seasons should (hopefully) solve that.
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