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Lucas Shifts into Sith Gear, Teases Indy 5

post #1 of 297
7/28/08 at 8:58pm
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/15...Y-5/Page1.html

Sallah wept.
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post #2 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:01pm
George Lucas wrecks another franchise in 3...2...1...
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post #3 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:02pm
I liked Crystal Skull okay, but enough.
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post #4 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:04pm
Funny to see that Lucas consider himself a cutting edge filmmaker. I guess he never got the memo on how poorly received all his efforts have been as of late...
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post #5 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:04pm
At least they are being honest about the problems that loomed the production. The tension and being in the past and present.

Fuck Indy V.

Great write up btw.
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post #6 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:14pm
This was a really well written story. I am pretty meh on the actual news. I have pretty much divorced myself from any sort of emotional involvement in anything with the Lucas brand. I really enjoyed reading the article though.
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post #7 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:14pm
I would be very surprised if this actually happened.

Look... My genuine affection for Crystal Skull is "legendary" around these parts. But, realistically speaking, it isn't gonna happen. Ford is almost 70 and no one is going to want to see The Adventures of Mutt Williams.

If there are more Indy adventures, they will be made for the PS3, where Ford can lend his likeness and voice without worrying about his age.

They could do 10 of those.
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post #8 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:20pm
I honestly can't see Ford doing another one of these and there'd be a huge amount of ill will given if LeBouf takes over the franchise. Most people I know hate the guy.

Btw, Justin, "Oh Han Piano" was brilliant.
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post #9 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:23pm
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Really, though, it was a challenge getting the story together and getting everybody to agree on it. Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying ‘I want it this way’ and ‘I want it that way’, whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level.
I love how Lucas makes it seem Raiders was all him, like Spielberg was some director-for-hire, carrying out his ideas. And how he has accommodate everyone else now.

Nice writing on that article.
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post #10 of 297
7/28/08 at 9:38pm
Am I the only one that blames Spielberg more than Lucas for Indy IV? Though, to be fair, there's plenty of blame to go around.
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post #11 of 297
7/28/08 at 10:06pm
Lucas openly admits Stevie wasn't interested in his shitty script.
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post #12 of 297
7/28/08 at 10:23pm
George, no. I won't even download INDY 5. You'll see this a bit more clearly after that catastrophic CLONE WARS opening that's coming your way.
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post #13 of 297
7/28/08 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Nicholas View Post
I love how Lucas makes it seem Raiders was all him, like Spielberg was some director-for-hire, carrying out his ideas. And how he has accommodate everyone else now.
I can understand his point of view. Raiders was much easier to make from a creative point of view. He created Indy and came up with the story (with Philip Kaufman, but who remembers him in this story anyway?), got Lawrence Kasdan to script it, and Spielberg to direct it. Certainly Spielberg added lots to the movie, but they probably didn't have many story disagreements. With the sequels, each party wanted to do it his own way. So much so that Spielberg kinda writes off Temple of Doom as a Lucas thing and Lucas kinda shrugs and says Last Crusade is a Spielberg thing.
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post #14 of 297
7/28/08 at 10:48pm
Am I the only one who enjoyed Mutt and could watch a flick with him in it? Minus the "Tarzan" scene that is.

I don't know what it is, but watching Shia is fun.

Granted nothing touches Ark or Doom, but I enjoyed Skull more because of Shia than Ford.
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post #15 of 297
7/28/08 at 10:59pm
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Am I the only one who enjoyed Mutt and could watch a flick with him in it?
Oddly, no. I liked Mutt quite a bit.
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post #16 of 297
7/28/08 at 11:03pm
It's not even a Shia thing, really. If they wanted to keep making these, they needed to treat the role like James Bond. Make it a stewardship, and never let him age. And now it's too late, so let it go.
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post #17 of 297
7/28/08 at 11:14pm
They might as well make more Indy. The damage has been done (and honestly, people have been saying that loudly to Lucas since 1984, so you kinda can't blame him for not being able to tell the difference now). Just...try harder next time, geez.
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post #18 of 297
7/28/08 at 11:23pm
George,

just release Raiders of the Lost Ark on Blu-ray before Christmas 2009, with a new transfer and remastered with new lossless audio tracks, and almost all will be forgiven (including the thought of creating a fifth Indiana Jones film).
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post #19 of 297
7/28/08 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
George, no. I won't even download INDY 5. You'll see this a bit more clearly after that catastrophic CLONE WARS opening that's coming your way.
What do you mean? Wasn't that Clone Wars movie really cheap to make? I was under the impression that it would be considered financially successful with very minimal effort.
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post #20 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by Nicholas View Post
I love how Lucas makes it seem Raiders was all him, like Spielberg was some director-for-hire, carrying out his ideas. And how he has accommodate everyone else now.

Nice writing on that article.
Well, Spielberg was coming off 1941, and had lost a lot of credibility (and studio money), and by many accounts saw Raiders as a job for hire. He needed to show he could bring in a picture on time and under budget (Jaws and Close Encounters were hits but were way over budget and schedule; 1941 was a bomb). Plus Lucas at the time of Raiders was more of a hands on Producer rather than a Director. So yeah I can believe that attidude up to a point. The thing is, Spielberg as Director for Hire is still light years beyond any run of the mill hack director.
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post #21 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
What do you mean? Wasn't that Clone Wars movie really cheap to make? I was under the impression that it would be considered financially successful with very minimal effort.
The Clone Wars is an inexpensive animated film. When DVD money is figured in, Lucas will make a profit on it, although I don't see it doing all that well at the theater box office. I really think for the non Star Wars geeks, if it ain't live action it ain't a legit Star Wars film. Still, enough kids and fanboys will show up to let Lucas get his money back and a little besides.

As for Indy 5, bad idea. I did not hate Crystal, Got a couple hours of fun out of it, but it is not nearly as good as the original trilogy. Another film will be a mistake.
And if Speilberg is not directing, it will be a disaster. It might not even make money....
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post #22 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Well, Spielberg was coming off 1941, and had lost a lot of credibility (and studio money), and by many accounts saw Raiders as a job for hire. He needed to show he could bring in a picture on time and under budget (Jaws and Close Encounters were hits but were way over budget and schedule; 1941 was a bomb). Plus Lucas at the time of Raiders was more of a hands on Producer rather than a Director. So yeah I can believe that attidude up to a point. The thing is, Spielberg as Director for Hire is still light years beyond any run of the mill hack director.
Yeah, you're right. Maybe "director-for-hire" is the wrong way to state it. It's just that his statements seem to be historical revisionism, based on the behind-the-scenes footage I've seen and Lucas's seemingly giant ego. He probably knows Indy IV sucked and it sounds like he wants to take credit for the best of the series.
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post #23 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:38am
I liked Indy 4 well enough, but that was me viewing it as a middling one-time reunion movie. There's nothing in it that's strong enough to launch more films, or even merit more than one viewing, really.

Every word of Lucas' reasoning here is so worrying as a movie fan. It's not news that the guy's long been interested in merely finding new ways to squeeze money out of old ideas, but now he's given up even pretending that it's not all business to him. It's so depressing.

It would be nice to point to Batman and Iron Man and show Lucas what can result from a filmmaker really trying to do something satisfying with an existing property, but Indy 4 hit too big for any other film's success to matter.
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post #24 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Well, Spielberg was coming off 1941, and had lost a lot of credibility (and studio money), and by many accounts saw Raiders as a job for hire. He needed to show he could bring in a picture on time and under budget (Jaws and Close Encounters were hits but were way over budget and schedule; 1941 was a bomb). Plus Lucas at the time of Raiders was more of a hands on Producer rather than a Director. So yeah I can believe that attidude up to a point. The thing is, Spielberg as Director for Hire is still light years beyond any run of the mill hack director.
Yeah, at the time, Raiders was known more as the new Lucas movie than the new Spielberg movie. In addition to Spielberg's recent failure with 1941, Lucas was coming off a run of American Graffiti, Star Wars, and The Empire Strikes Back. I remember reading an article at the time that, when asking if a 1930s-style serial was viable in the early 80s, said, "But at this point, Lucas could adapt Mao's Little Red Book and it would make a fortune." He was the one seen at the height of his powers at the time of Raiders, not Spielberg.

Now, to say he called all the shots on Raiders, that I think is revisionist bullshit. From everything I recall, he spent most of the Raiders shoot hiding from the sun due to his severe sunburn.
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post #25 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by General Patton View Post
Funny to see that Lucas consider himself a cutting edge filmmaker. I guess he never got the memo on how poorly received all his efforts have been as of late...
Money talks, geeks walk.

Game. Set. Match.

...and aint it depressing.
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post #26 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by Nicholas View Post
Yeah, you're right. Maybe "director-for-hire" is the wrong way to state it. It's just that his statements seem to be historical revisionism, based on the behind-the-scenes footage I've seen and Lucas's seemingly giant ego. He probably knows Indy IV sucked and it sounds like he wants to take credit for the best of the series.
The mythology surrounding the Spielberg/Lucas friendship is so much a part of his legend and that of the Indy product that it sort of shocks me that his business chops would allow him to basically throw Steve under the bus at this point.

But then the merchandising machine continues to roll on, and I guess that his thinking comes back to how despite the prestige associated with him, so little of the merchandising is Spielberg's doing. I don't think Spielberg's Munichs and Catch Me if You Cans even show up on Lucas' radar because they don't sell toys.
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post #27 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:56am
...and with that I now have an image in my head of a MUNICH Lego set...
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post #28 of 297
7/29/08 at 1:00am
It'd have breakaway walls like the pirate ships.
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post #29 of 297
7/29/08 at 1:04am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I remember reading an article at the time that, when asking if a 1930s-style serial was viable in the early 80s, said, "But at this point, Lucas could adapt Mao's Little Red Book and it would make a fortune."
I prefer Mark Hamill's take in the original Making of Star Wars doc: "He could shoot the next one on Redondo Beach if he wanted to..."
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post #30 of 297
7/29/08 at 1:12am
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The mythology surrounding the Spielberg/Lucas friendship is so much a part of his legend and that of the Indy product that it sort of shocks me that his business chops would allow him to basically throw Steve under the bus at this point.
Yeah, that interview seems to insinuate that their friendship took a beating during Crystal Skull.
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post #31 of 297
7/29/08 at 1:51am
Well consdering ones an auteur and the others a hermit toy designer that hardly surprises.
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post #32 of 297
7/29/08 at 2:28am
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
As for Indy 5, bad idea. I did not hate Crystal, Got a couple hours of fun out of it, but it is not nearly as good as the original trilogy.
Original trilogy? Please don't mention those three films as if they are all on the same level. The sequels don't even touch the first film. Crystal Skull doesn't match Raiders, sure, I'll go with that. But equating the other two with the first is just nostalgia talking. Nostalgia is the mind killer. If you think Last Crusade is something a sequel should be reaching for, I pity you.
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post #33 of 297
7/29/08 at 3:02am
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What do you mean? Wasn't that Clone Wars movie really cheap to make? I was under the impression that it would be considered financially successful with very minimal effort.
I don't doubt it'll see profitability, but I think it'll underperform embarrassingly, further sully the brand, and frankly the whole project just sort of looks cheap and half-assed and people who I know who'd be all about seeing it just don't really seem interested in it.

However, I wasn't accounting for the extreme cheapness of it, as you point out. Embarrassing might be more appropriate than catastrophic; possibly catastrophic in terms of PR. But then again, look at what the brand's survived already.
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post #34 of 297
7/29/08 at 3:15am
At this point, I think Lucas is only making movies to piss off his former fans!
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post #35 of 297
7/29/08 at 3:39am
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I don't doubt it'll see profitability, but I think it'll underperform embarrassingly.
If they expected Clone Wars to hit big they wouldn't drop it in August. Giving it a theatrical run at all was an afterthought.
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post #36 of 297
7/29/08 at 4:10am
Definitely. I don't see why anybody thinks they're expecting a blockbuster. Profitability is hardly going to be an embarrassment.
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post #37 of 297
7/29/08 at 12:54pm
Hammerhead,& Greg David, Star Wars: The Clone Wars is an August release so that there are no other major family friendly films to take away it's potential box office grosses. Sure, The Dark Knight is making tons of capital, but children under 10 should not see it, at least to me. The Clone Wars should appeal to Star Wars fans of which there are many, children 5 and up, and animation fans. I think the film makes an easy $150 million...if I am wrong, then so be it. If The Clone Wars is a hit, I would love to see Indiana Jones: TAS with a hopefully improved CGI look.
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post #38 of 297
7/29/08 at 1:24pm
hopefully this will never happen and Spielberg's got whatever money he needed so that he can make creative stuff for the rest of his days. I will not go see another Indiana Jones movie after Crystal Skull
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post #39 of 297
7/29/08 at 8:31pm
I'm very worried about Lucas' ideas for a fifth Indy. I wouldn't be surprised to have him conjure up a story about some space program (founded on technology from Crystal Skull) and have Indy explore some archaeological site on Mars.
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post #40 of 297
7/29/08 at 8:36pm
He kinda comes off like a dick in the other quotes from that article.
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post #41 of 297
7/29/08 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Original trilogy? Please don't mention those three films as if they are all on the same level. The sequels don't even touch the first film. Crystal Skull doesn't match Raiders, sure, I'll go with that. But equating the other two with the first is just nostalgia talking. Nostalgia is the mind killer. If you think Last Crusade is something a sequel should be reaching for, I pity you.
And Crystal Skull is as far from Last Crusade as Last Crusade is from Raiders. Maybe farther.
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post #42 of 297
7/29/08 at 9:15pm
And 750 million means so many saw it that they don't know who the fuck directed it nor do they care. Indy 5 will make money if people liked Indy 4. I don't have a feeling of who actually likes this movie, but everyone I know that seems to have some taste and isn't letting nostalgia fuck with them thinks it's pretty awful.
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post #43 of 297
7/29/08 at 10:35pm
After Indy 5, expect a re-imagination of the Young Indy Chronicles. 1977 and 1980 were greatness for Lucas. No more can come from him.
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post #44 of 297
7/29/08 at 10:41pm
Bitches Leave, Indiana Jones on Mars...that would be all well and good if Dr Jones met...John Carter and teamed up with Edgar Rice Burrough's legendary hero to help JC become a prince of Mars.
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post #45 of 297
7/30/08 at 12:01am
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At this point, I think Lucas is only making movies to piss off his former fans!
Honestly, if that were true, that would be totally punk rock. I'd high five him, though he wouldn't return it, because he'd be too punk rock. He'd probably grab his balls and give me the finger. OMG that would be awesome.
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post #46 of 297
7/30/08 at 2:55am
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After Indy 5, expect a re-imagination of the Young Indy Chronicles. 1977 and 1980 were greatness for Lucas. No more can come from him.
THX, his most interesting film, disagrees.
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post #47 of 297
7/30/08 at 4:46am
Lucas made movies before Star Wars?! The hell you say!! I thought the entire world sprung into being on May 25, 1977.
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post #48 of 297
7/30/08 at 8:25am
Greg David, The Star Wars Saga began on May 25th 1977, and will go on in some form animation, tv, maybe more live action films after someone else takes over from George Lucas. The Star Wars Saga only has a few weaknesses...The Phantom Menace, The Ewok Adventures 2 tv films, droids and everything else (Yes that includes The Star Wars Holiday Special) is excellent. 4 years from now there should be about 100 episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars and maybe by then George Lucas' ambitious live action Star Wars series will be a hit.
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post #49 of 297
7/30/08 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Cornelius Cardew View Post
THX, his most interesting film, disagrees.
To this date I have yet to see this film. I am afraid it is too much hype for something that will not deliver. I should put it in the queue, huh?
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post #50 of 297
7/30/08 at 7:01pm
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To this date I have yet to see this film. I am afraid it is too much hype for something that will not deliver. I should put it in the queue, huh?
Yeah it's really interesting and well made.
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