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post #1 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:12pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...ana/index.html

Some common sense in the government. I don't even smoke, but I love this.
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post #2 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:19pm
Absofuckinglutely. I was never much more than a recreational smoker, and pretty much gave it up just because I got bored with it, but the idea that arresting pot users is an effective use of law enforcement resources is beyond absurd.
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post #3 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:23pm
Having pot illegal and alcohol legal always seemed absurd. Both can be used responsibly and both can be abused. Legalize it and tax the hell out of it.
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post #4 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:30pm
It'll take bigger guns than Barney Frank and NORML to make this happen. Still, a remarkably even-handed piece considering it's from the mainstream media. The DEA comes off sounding as stupid as they actually are. Watch out for those pot-smoking juvenile delinquents? If my neighborhood's going to be invaded by delinquents, give me stoned, mellow delinquents please. Beats the hell out of the violent, belligerent drunks we usually get.
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post #5 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
If my neighborhood's going to be invaded by delinquents, give me stoned, mellow delinquents please. Beats the hell out of the violent, belligerent drunks we usually get.
It's like Bill Hicks said:

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Not only do I think marijuana should be legalized, it should be mandatory. Pot is a better drug than alcohol - fact! I'll prove it to you: You're at a ball game or a concert, and someone is really violent and aggressive and obnoxious. Are they drunk or are they smoking pot?

They're drunk.

I've never seen people on pot get into a fight, because it's fucking impossible!

Say you get into a car accident and you've been smoking pot. You're only going four fucking miles an hour!

But of course please insert usual disclaimer here

'Drugs are bad!'

But not alcohol and tobacco because they generate a lot of revenue...,
sorry I mean their use is legally sanctioned by your federal, state and local government.
Kudos to Frank for proposing this, as I really think our attitude toward pot in this country is way out of whack (and I'm a casual smoker at best), but somehow I doubt this will pass.
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post #6 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:44pm
The obvious thing would be to legalize then tax. Instant revenue.

Not to mention you'd have better assurance the product you are getting hasn't been fucked around with.
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post #7 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:46pm
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I think the important thing is that he has other people on board with him, and not just left wing pinko commie bastards. I mean the rep from Utah is even going for it. Hopefully enough people that don't approve of it still recognize the failure and ignorance of the laws, and we get one step closer to full legalization and taxation of drugs as a whole.
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post #8 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:47pm
You could also give tobacco farmers who have seen their income shrivel due to declining smoking rates something else to live off of.
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post #9 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:47pm
I did enjoy his remark as to how real republicans wouldn't federalize such an act seeing how states rights is supposed to be a central tennant.
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post #10 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Not to mention you'd have better assurance the product you are getting hasn't been fucked around with.
I think the opposite is true, actually. I've been smoking weed for ten years and I've yet to get anything that's low quality or laced. Marlboro has had marketing for weed on the backburner ever since it looked like the Carter administration was going to legalize it. Think about how innocuos a plant tobacco is naturually and then think about what weed would be like when the cigarette companies got hold of it.
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post #11 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:50pm
Really? I've heard the reverse in which people were saying the potency of weed has become more powerful than it was 30 years ago.
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post #12 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Really? I've heard the reverse in which people were saying the potency of weed has become more powerful than it was 30 years ago.
My dad disagrees, and will reference Acapulco Gold he carried in Skoal cans as proof. Of course, seeing as how none of his kids or our friends are old enough to know better we nod politely and allow the old man his nostalgia.
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post #13 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:53pm
More potent weed =! weed that has been fucked around with. More potent weed means that people have gradually learned how to properly breed, grow, manicure, cure, and distribute it in large quantities.
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post #14 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:53pm
Fair enough. I just remember an econ professor I had mentioning that one day in class. And what I meant by fucked around is the addition of other substance that shouldn't go there.
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post #15 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
And what I meant by fucked around is the addition of other substance that shouldn't go there.
Afraid of a little fry stick? Or primo? Come on Ed, let's hang out.

Seriously though, back to back bad experiences with those two particular brands of smoke made me sober as a judge for about 9 years. Not fun stuff.
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post #16 of 26
7/30/08 at 4:57pm
No thanks, I get high on life*

*I couldn't even type that with a straight face
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post #17 of 26
7/30/08 at 5:02pm
I'm kind spoiled. I grew up and came of age in the middle of the Emerald Triangle, where you could get "Mexican" for $9 an eighth and premium Northern Californian strains for $45 and if you bought a quarter pound, they'd sellyou it for the price of three ounces. Then I moved to the East Bay while having a cancerous genetic disorder and a Cannabis Club down the street. I've never had the experience of bad weed.
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post #18 of 26
7/30/08 at 5:16pm
There's a UN treaty which stops countries from legalizing weed, or any of the "non-taxed" drugs -
INCB. It's a legal minefield as there's no opt out clause and any changes to 'soften' drug laws are usually met with swift criticism. Taxation is fine but when the price goes up people go crazy. Funny, caffeine is psychoactive and potentially deadly yet no-one considers coffee to be a gateway drug.... Just say Decaf.
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post #19 of 26
7/30/08 at 10:06pm
I will be the lone voice of descent here. I've had to work with some serious stoners. Every one of them

1. Had an obsessive attention to irrelevant detail while ignoring obvious, important stuff
2. Had memory problems
3. Sure weren't agressive; in fact, getting them to do anything (like show up to work ) was a problem
4. For some reason they always said that there lack of initiative or mistakes were someone else's fault

I also read that the Pot being sold today is a lot more potent, and therefore potentially harmful, than it used to be. No more oregano!

But of course the cynic in me sees the advantages of legalizing pot: More tax revenue! Revenue from new rehab clinics specializing in pot! Bong shops legal! Cheech and Chong back in fashion! Revenue from TV movies of the week dealing with the problems of pot heads! Revenue! Revenue! Revenue!
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post #20 of 26
7/30/08 at 10:13pm
Those are all problems of heavy smokers, though. Fuck, I know a casual smoker who's in medical school.
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post #21 of 26
7/30/08 at 11:09pm
I know lots of smokers, including ones that run aid orginzations and one that wrote a book on "saving conservatism" in Canada.
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post #22 of 26
7/31/08 at 12:34am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
I will be the lone voice of descent here. I've had to work with some serious stoners. Every one of them

1. Had an obsessive attention to irrelevant detail while ignoring obvious, important stuff
2. Had memory problems
3. Sure weren't agressive; in fact, getting them to do anything (like show up to work ) was a problem
4. For some reason they always said that there lack of initiative or mistakes were someone else's fault
Change serious stoners to serious drinkers, and it's the same issues. Or they're just lazy fucks. I'm a big fan of an employer firing anyone stoned/drunk at the job on the spot though.
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post #23 of 26
7/31/08 at 3:02pm
Oh, and those Above the Influence ads can go fuck themselves. Some of the smartest people I know are pot smokers, some even heavily and they still manage to get a ton of shit done.
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post #24 of 26
7/31/08 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin View Post
Oh, and those Above the Influence ads can go fuck themselves.
My theater always plays those before the movies begin. I absolutely LOVE sitting behind the stoned out of their mind group, and listening to them just laughing their ass off at those.

My favorite one is where the kid builds like a cardboard joint and constructs it around himself. Even I lost it during that one.
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post #25 of 26
7/31/08 at 3:47pm
Nabbed my new sig from Frank's comments. Not that pot ever did anything for me, but it's certainly not as bad as alcohol or tobacco from what I've seen. And please spare me all that "gateway drug" nonsense.
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post #26 of 26
8/1/08 at 3:48am
Legalize the fuck of it and then tax it. At least then getting good quality weed would be easier than winning the lottery. The proliferation of shit, only good for kindle Albanian weed over here made me stop smoking.

I've been around both serious drinkers (I kind of am one) and serious stoners. The drinkers were by an order of magnitude worse than the stoners. I never had to go to the police station at the crack of dawn to pick up any of my stoner friends.
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