Holy F! Beheading on Bus - Page 6

I don't think he had a specific incident in mind, or that he's badmouthing the Canadian Justice System in general. He's just kvetching about this one w/ an improbable, exaggerated result added for effect. I think. Not that I want to put words in Cap's mouth.

Anyway, as to the current question, I always found the retributionist justification for punishment in the criminal justice system to be very attractive; for good or ill, society wants its pound of flesh when it perceives it has been wronged by criminal conduct. If this guy WAS "cured", even in a definable, provable way, in a year or two (probably more, while we're at it), there's always going to be a segment of the public - myself included - who'd feel he didn't get his just deserts if they let him out that soon, treatment & "cure" notwithstanding. So, no I wouldn't feel comfortable from this philosophical standpoint if he was released, safety to society left to the side.

I know, if he is insane he's not responsible for his actions, so retribution isn't as proper here as in an instance involving actual malice & premeditation. But the results of this guy's actions just cry out for longer confimement to me. And probably many others as well. Guess I'm just a benighted primitive.

No need to go and loose you head over it...

Regarding the hypothetical, if the guy is "cured" and comes to realize at some point that what he did was wrong, let him serve the sentence for it. At that point, he'd actually understand why.

Must agree. The chances of this guy being 100% cured is very, very, iffy to say the least. Also, I can only imagine the hue and cry that will result if/when he's released from any neighborhood that is informed that this fella is back on the streets and moving in next door. Add to that the fact that it really only takes one bad day to undo years of therapy, and it wouldn't surprise me to hear that this guy kills again.

While it is noble and optimistic that such folks can be cured, and there are numbers of successes to prove it, you also have to realize that there are some seriously fucked up people out there that no amount of therapy will help. Best bet, if they aren't going to execute him, they should lock him away for the rest of his life, whether it be in a prison or an asylum. Decapitating a guy, eating parts of him and saving bits for later in case of an attack of the munchies should be an automatic red flag that this fella doesn't play well with others, so permanent isolation would be in everyone's best interests.

I really have nothing against Canada or Canadians, to me they're mostly indistinguishable culturally from most Americans anyways.

What I do like to do is poke fun at Canada in these forums, because I find quite a bit of the Canadian Chewers to be awfully sensitive and defensive about their country. This is specially funny when I see many of them criticizing the US, as is their right to do so. So I like to "balance" things out by throwing some criticism back your way and then watch people go in defensive mode when they shouldn't.

As for past cases, no nothing in particular, but I'd be lying if I wasn't thinking of the dear Zachary case when I read about this although it is quite different.

I also reserve the right to keep insulting any country btw.

Well, right there you proved you're a moron.

Again, you prove your ignorance. But coming from a guy who hesitated between the Obama/Biden ticket and the McCain/Palin ticket, that's to be expected.

Proves my point again. Like shooting fish in a barrel I tell ya!

You're mistaking me being on the defensive from me pointing out that you're a retard.

What you said is as stupid as saying the Spaniards have the same culture as the Portuguese. Which ain't true at all. But you seem to ignore that fact as well.

I'm not saying you guys are the same, maybe I should say they appear "mostly indistinguishable" to me. It's more akin to saying you can't tell the difference between a Chilean and a Bolivian (and I would bet most on this board wouldn't).

Last time I checked Spaniards and the Portuguese didn't share the same language btw. And I've been to Canada, didn't really feel like I was in a different country to be quite honest, specially with all the country music (Calgary).

And that's the point I'm getting at.

You talk about "What you feel". That doesn't mean a lot, if anything.

Sharing a language is not a sign of shared culture, as there's huge differences between Americans, Canadians, British and Australians. But that's largely invalid because of "what you feel". Geographical proximity is a factor, which led to my example of Portugal and Spain. But since history and ethnicity is another one, the gap is pretty wide between these two.

And you judge the entire Canadian culture by going only to Calgary for a couple of days? Bravo. Keep up the good work, Bleach Boy!

I would bet that most people in the world would have a hard time distinguishing between a Canadian and a citizen of the US. Australians and the British? Not even close.

That you are offended by that is highly amusing though.

Actually, it's fucking easy to spot the Americans on a trip.

The Chinese have no problem spotting them. So did the Costa Ricans, the Italians and French. But since you guess it's not, hey, you're right! All the times I've been abroad, no one ever mistook me for an American, and that's not because I can speak French too.

And I'm not offended by you. It's actually kinda sad to see someone as ignorant as you be lavishly proud of it.

I guess nobody has ever called you a gringo, because that is what most Canadians will be called at first glance anywhere in Latin America. In India, Canadians also got confused with Americans, but oh well, maybe you should stop wearing those Canadian Mountie hats when traveling abroad.

So because people in India or fucking Latin America see all white people as the same means it's a good idea for you to think like that? Because it's what you're getting at. Because some people thinks Canadians and Americans are alike, it's alright to do so. You just proved my point.

With your education, and you seem to have some, it's pure intellectual laziness to think like you do. As lazy as pouring bleach on a frog in a toilet.

EDIT: I'll give that: there's some resemblance in lifestyle, but even inside the United States there's a melting pot of cultures. Same for Canada. But indistinguishable? No.

I didn't say all white people look the same, I thought Australians, the British (and the Spaniards and Portuguese were mostly white too).

I said, North Americans excluding Mexicans are very much alike, even in accent if I might say so too. That doesn't mean that they don't have big cultural differences and political systems, still, I think in the context of my response (some kind of bias against Canadians) the post should make sense and should not be considered some great personal insult.

I like how you dismiss large parts of the world though and other culture's perception of your own (or lack of differences with other similar countries).

One thing I do know, the frog in my toilet was not Canadian. I kind of wish it was now.

Alike how? We're as alike as we're different? The closest you'll find in Canada for a US comparison is fucking Calgary. And it's different. Ask them. go to BC or Quebec and you'll "feel" different, but you seem kinda slow, so you my not.

You're wrong again at the accents. There's very audible and different accents with the States. So which one is like Canada's?

And your posts aren't. Making. Any. Sense.

What the fuck are you talking about?

There isn't even a consistent accent across the whole of the U.S. (on the Macro level you've got different dialects in at least the South, Northeast, and Midwest. On the micro level, there are literally hundreds of variants in those zones, sometimes at a county-to-county level.) so... this makes no sense.

There doesn't have to be a consistent accent (nobody claimed that) to know that somebody is from the US (and not British or Australian). I don't have to point out that people can pick out Americans based on accent when traveling abroad right?

What you are saying goes into my point about accents though, depending on the US region, a lot of the English accents in Canada are not that different from some of the Northern accents in the US.

Specially if you are not a native speaker.

I thought all of us Canadians were a like more mellow that this. Martins real name must be Scott.

Well, whatever his real first name is, his last name IS Savage. I guess some anger is to be expected.

No. It's still Martin.

Indeed. But I'm not angry. I can be, but not at Bleach Boy, nor his stupid remarks. The guy is not making sense, and I called him out. That's it.

Martin, crisse lui une volé!

Oh, and ElCapitanAmerica: as for us Canucks being so defensive, check out your posts in this Patrick Swayze has cancer thread in regards to what I said (page 2).

Personally, I'm fond of my neighbors to the north. They introduced me to poutine, a substance SO addictive, that I have to drive 5 miles to find cheese curds to make it myself.

Ever try Italian Poutine?

No, but it sounds interesting.

While not as great as the original poutine, the italian poutine is pretty fucking great. It's fries and cheese curd with an Italian meat sauce. A bit close to some chili fries I had in the States, but the cheese is so superior it's not funny.

And, while some will moan about it, the best poutine is it's original place, Quebec. As for the best place for it in here, that's a hotly contested debate.

(Thought there's some good poutine to be found in Ontario and New Brunswick)

Fuck you Lima. You made me hungry!

Yes! Fuck me, too!

I'm hungry as well...

Just re-read that thread, good times ...

Every time somebody says any minor thing that sounds critical of Canada, you get a similar reaction to what you've seen from Monsieur Savage here. Once in a while I make an effort to even things out with minor comments, but then we get people going in minor meltdown mode ... which is amusing if not a bit scary.

Poutine looks extremely gross btw.

My impression of the Canada/US relationship was friendly banter. It's kind of bizzare to see a Canadian uptight about US criticsm.

Poutine always sounds gross until you eat it and you realize how wrong you are.

When the internet was still a new thing, and chat rooms all the rage, my brother, who is a notorious smart ass, entered a chat room. There were maybe 8 or 10 people in it. He read what was being said, & noted that 3 of the 8 or so folks in there were from different parts of Canada. He then types as his opening remark: "Canadians, eh?" They all went batshit. He couldn't get a word in edgwise to apoligize and say it was just a 'armless joke, donchaknow. My brother. . . the only man I know who can piss off a nation with a word and a half.