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post #1 of 48
7/31/08 at 10:08pm
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/15...LED/Page1.html
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post #2 of 48
7/31/08 at 10:11pm
I had blueprints of the Enterprise on my walls too. I thought I was the only one who would have ever done that!

And I totally agree with you Dev. The recent X-files debacle has just shown how difficult it is to bring back a science fiction series gone for years that's not named Star Wars. That said, Trek is far more popular than the Files ever was, so I have hope.
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post #3 of 48
7/31/08 at 10:15pm
Isn't there a long time until release? They are probably going for a shorter more intense marketing campaign aimed at non-trekkies instead of a long, viral-like thing that would target fans and trekkies. They know that these guys will show up no matter what.
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post #4 of 48
7/31/08 at 10:39pm
Why does a viral campaign appeal only to Trekkies?

I'm sure some people not fans of Batman thought the viral marketing was kinda cool.
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post #5 of 48
7/31/08 at 10:42pm
Does anyone think this needs the huge marketing push...this isn't the X-files...this is Star Trek. It's one of the biggest franchiese in history if not the biggest in history.

Just admit you want to see it because your a trekkie.
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post #6 of 48
7/31/08 at 10:45pm
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STAR TREK is a niche franchise. This is a major blockbuster film. It has to reach beyond the niche to do well.
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post #7 of 48
7/31/08 at 11:10pm
This article smells like fanboy-speak to me.
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post #8 of 48
8/1/08 at 12:08am
So they"ll be wearing pants in the movie after all? Damn!
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post #9 of 48
8/1/08 at 1:53am
After summarily running the franchise into the ground last time they're going to need to really get the ads out to the non-Trekkies. Devin's right, they're eventually going to have to come to their senses and market this movie like crazy. The franchise can illaford another Klendathu.

Shit, wrong thread. I meant illafford another Nemesis.
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post #10 of 48
8/1/08 at 1:59am
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Does anyone think this needs the huge marketing push...this isn't the X-files...this is Star Trek. It's one of the biggest franchiese in history if not the biggest in history.

Just admit you want to see it because your a trekkie.
The last movie bombed. Most Trekkies hate it. And the majority probably don't even like the other Star Trek product they've been subjected to for the last 10 years, if they're honest. Surely only a tiny number LOVE Insurrrection, Voyager and, god forbid, Enterprise.

So not only do they have to appeal to the mainstream, they also have to win back many former fans.
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post #11 of 48
8/1/08 at 2:09am
No wonder Abrams kept it a secret, it gave away the whole fucking film.
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post #12 of 48
8/1/08 at 2:33am
they made the skirts LONGER???


Kirk will not STAND for this!!
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post #13 of 48
8/1/08 at 2:48am
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they made the skirts LONGER???


Kirk will not STAND for this!!
NOW Kirk won't stand for all this after Chris Pine was cast, prequel/reboot concept was brought up, ect? The shit has already hit the fan.
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post #14 of 48
8/1/08 at 4:15am
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NOW Kirk won't stand for all this after Chris Pine was cast, prequel/reboot concept was brought up, ect? The shit has already hit the fan.
I think he missed the joke here folks, judges what do you think?
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post #15 of 48
8/1/08 at 4:33am
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I think he missed the joke here folks
That Kirk likes furburgers? It's blatant enough when it ranges from him eyeing green skinned women to having bastard children. No, I get the joke, I was just throwing another "Shanter is Kirk" fanboy tantrum.
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post #16 of 48
8/1/08 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by lordelsey View Post
Does anyone think this needs the huge marketing push...this isn't the X-files...this is Star Trek. It's one of the biggest franchiese in history if not the biggest in history.
The fanbase of Trek translated into a $40 million BO gross. Six years ago. It's probably even smaller now.
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post #17 of 48
8/1/08 at 4:44am
This is why I think they should have just stuck with TV. I can't see how they can reach an audience now. This is what makes me curious about this flick, can Abrams pull it off? I have my doubts, and the fact that he's using the "magic box" approach isn't helping matters.
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post #18 of 48
8/1/08 at 7:22am
It definitely needs a big marketing push. When Ledger was first cast as the Joker in TDK, there was an equal amount of people for it and people against it - however this quickly turned into hype for his performance as more images, teasers and trailers were released showcasing his role. I've no doubt this helped at the BO in the end. Star Trek has a fanbase alright, but there's also a huge amount of people who have a preconception of what the old ST is about and who probably won't go and see it - they need to start promoting this film before it's too late to win over that sector.

Gaz
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post #19 of 48
8/1/08 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by Alanthar View Post
they made the skirts LONGER???


Kirk will not STAND for this!!
You have Zoë Saldaña in your movie and you make her skirt LONGER? Tsk, tsk... tsk, tsk...

Oh, and I'm using "I want to embed your clip" in some inappropriate context sometime in the future.
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post #20 of 48
8/1/08 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by Bluelouboyle View Post
The last movie bombed. Most Trekkies hate it. And the majority probably don't even like the other Star Trek product they've been subjected to for the last 10 years, if they're honest. Surely only a tiny number LOVE Insurrrection, Voyager and, god forbid, Enterprise.

So not only do they have to appeal to the mainstream, they also have to win back many former fans.

Voyager was kind of fun, and at least it felt like Star Trek. Enterprise, however, was like watching the legacy of Gene Rodenberry get anally raped once a week.
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post #21 of 48
8/1/08 at 7:25pm
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Enterprise, however, was like watching the legacy of Gene Rodenberry get anally raped once a week.
That's how I thought of Voyager. For Enterprise, it was more like the producers taking a 76 hour long shit on Roddenberry's grave.
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post #22 of 48
8/1/08 at 9:58pm
I'm not defending trekkies or anything. But this is the Star Trek series everyone likes. No one like Voyage or Enterprise and only hardcore trekkies like DS9...but the orginal series everyone likes.

This is the same as nerds underestmating Indy4 again in the mind of the public. Mark my words.
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post #23 of 48
8/1/08 at 10:05pm
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Voyager was kind of fun, and at least it felt like Star Trek. Enterprise, however, was like watching the legacy of Gene Rodenberry get anally raped once a week.
Voyager was the Seven of Nine show. End of story.
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post #24 of 48
8/2/08 at 12:38am
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Originally Posted by lordelsey View Post
I'm not defending trekkies or anything. But this is the Star Trek series everyone likes. No one like Voyage or Enterprise and only hardcore trekkies like DS9...but the orginal series everyone likes.

This is the same as nerds underestmating Indy4 again in the mind of the public. Mark my words.
I see your point here but I do think they have to re-sell this to the public.
After all they are rebooting the series because the Star Trek franchise tanked. The last movie with all these characters did very well but that was 17 years ago. Since that time everything Star Trek has been steadily going down hill, especially after TNG ended its tv run.

They need to get this out to the public as I'm sure there are a lot of average movie goes that don't even know this exists.
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post #25 of 48
8/2/08 at 9:51pm
I'm not saying they don't have to resell this...but it's not out till next May at this point. There is time for them to sell it to the public between now and then.
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post #26 of 48
8/2/08 at 11:07pm
In my mind, Star Trek now has a big time stigma attached to it, that its only for the most extreme nerds.

This movie is going to have a tough task on its hands, IMO. It needs to sell to the masses by saying "Yes, this is Star Trek, but its new. Its cool." And it needs to appeal to the Trekkies.

I think no matter the quality, its going to be tough to predict the Box Office.
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post #27 of 48
8/3/08 at 11:32pm
LOTR, Star Wars, Comic Book superheroes all have the extreme nerd stigma attached to them....as it clearly hurt all of them so much in their runs.

I'm not saying this Star Trek movie will be any good or even make a ton of money but still.

To be honest they would have been better after waiting another 8 years to make it and putting the movie out on the shows 50 annverisery.
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post #28 of 48
8/4/08 at 12:25am
Maybe Abrams doesn't want to release any info or images from this film because of a perceived stigma attached to Trekkies. Rabid Star Trek fans are seen by many as hopeless nerds, and if the last Trek film failed because the franchise only appealed to a niche market at the time, Abrams may fear that the upcoming film will be appropriated by the Trekkies, and thus made unappealing to mass audiences.

When Trekkies get their paws on news or stills form the film, that stuff is picked apart ad nauseam on websites, etc. If consciousness of the film spills over into the public under the "ownership" of a bunch of super-nerds, the film might be seen as nerd-only fare, and anything that raving Trekkies are hyping is likely something that a lot of people will avoid. So it seems logical that Abrams is holding the film back so that he can control how it is introduced to the masses of people who don't have a strong awareness of films in development months or years ahead of their release.
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post #29 of 48
8/4/08 at 1:03pm
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In my mind, Star Trek now has a big time stigma attached to it, that its only for the most extreme nerds.
No, the most extreme nerds are the ones who watch crap like Stargate: Atlantis to get some sort of sci-fi fix.

Clearly what this film needs more than a viral marketing campaign is the tragic death of a cast member. THAT puts asses in seats.
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post #30 of 48
8/4/08 at 1:29pm
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No, the most extreme nerds are the ones who watch crap like Stargate: Atlantis to get some sort of sci-fi fix.

Clearly what this film needs more than a viral marketing campaign is the tragic death of a cast member. THAT puts asses in seats.
Better not be Simon Pegg. I'm just sayin'.

I agree with Chris. All honesty, I think no matter what, there'll always be that particular stripe of Trek fan that'll just flat out hate whatever pics are put in front of 'em for this flick - the one's who'll blow a gasket because one of the seams on Kirk's shirt isn't Federation standard, or Spock's haircut is 1.2mm too short. Fans like that have to take a step back, maybe go outside once in awhile. If you're obsessing over inseam measurements or cuff cuts, you need help.

That being said, and since the vibe I'm getting is Abrams and his crew are hewing pretty close to the '60s show, I'm not in any particular hurry to see the crew in uniform (hell, I see the uniforms everyday before I go to work. God bless TV Land!). I got to see the posters which pretty much confirms that vibe (remided me of an old '60s TV Guide cover), I got to see a trailer, I'm good until the release date.
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post #31 of 48
8/4/08 at 2:43pm
While JJ Abrams needs to attract people that would not ordinarilly be interested in a Star Trek film...it would be good of him to also make a Star Trek film, that also attracts the fans. There has not been an actual Star Trek film since 1991...with the release of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Paramount blew the team up with Generations where Kirk and Picard teamed up to, ride horses, cook, and fight Dr Soran. The Captain's of both Star Trek and TNG meet and that is all they do? Even if they didn't want to use time travel the filmmakers could have set up a mission that began in Kirk's time and was resolved in Picard's. The last good film that got Star Trek correct was...Galaxy Quest, and that was in 1999.

It is true that there were 3 other TNG films...but other than the great Star Trek: First Contact, they were terrible. I hope the filmmakers let Star Trek "Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone Before" William Shatner as James T. Kirk in Star Trek (1966).
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post #32 of 48
8/4/08 at 5:35pm
As an ardent Trekker for many years I can wait for more info on this film. I don't feel it's possible to make the film palatable for Trek fans and also make a huge draw at the B.O. In fact my love for all things Trek was tainted by years of sub-mediocre films and tv shows. I have more anticipation reading about Chud members posts on Trek stuff than the upcoming film.
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post #33 of 48
8/4/08 at 5:41pm
In lieu of nowhere else to put it, this is a heartwarming read.
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post #34 of 48
8/9/08 at 11:36pm
And the other shoe drops...Sulu, Scotty, McCoy and Checkov...

http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/09/vega...ges/#more-2266


**posted with Devin's blessing.
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post #35 of 48
8/10/08 at 12:10am
Anton Yelchin looks like a young Ben Affleck (kinda) in that pic. And Pegg just looks WEIRD.
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post #36 of 48
8/10/08 at 12:16am
The guy playing Chekov is playing Kyle Reese in Terminator Salvation.
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post #37 of 48
8/10/08 at 12:37am
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The guy playing Chekov is playing Kyle Reese in Terminator Salvation.
AND he taught me what a "Lipstick Party" was in Huff.
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post #38 of 48
8/10/08 at 12:04pm
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I'm not defending trekkies or anything. But this is the Star Trek series everyone likes. No one like Voyage or Enterprise and only hardcore trekkies like DS9...but the orginal series everyone likes.
First off, I don't consider myself a hardcore Trekkie and I think DS9 is far superior to every other Trek show. In fact, I like the show because its so much different from the other Trek shows. It actually attempted something original, and had some pretty well written story lines. I like TNG, butI really can't stand most of the original series. Its cheesy, the acting is horrible, and its pretty much the same shit every episode.

Second, just because this movie has the same characters doesn't mean people will automatically accept it and see it. In fact, basing the movie on pre-existing characters with a new cast can be risky, especially if people don't accept the casting (which is a big possibility).
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post #39 of 48
8/10/08 at 12:23pm
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Second, just because this movie has the same characters doesn't mean people will automatically accept it and see it. In fact, basing the movie on pre-existing characters with a new cast can be risky, especially if people don't accept the casting (which is a big possibility).
It'll get curiosity dollars. Ain't nobody curious about Deep Space Nine.
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post #40 of 48
8/10/08 at 12:27pm
I'm not sayin' they should make a DS9 movie. They should just let the entire series die.
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post #41 of 48
8/10/08 at 12:31pm
A movie will make more money than no movie.

The original BSG was shit.
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post #42 of 48
8/10/08 at 1:35pm
Pegg actually reminds me of a young Doohan. Wait, I just had a positive feeling towards this movie.
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post #43 of 48
8/10/08 at 3:27pm
It's been quite some time since the last film, and Star Trek may not be popular but it does have a fair amount of name recognition.
Marketed correctly, there's no reason in theory why this wouldn't manage a moderate B.O.
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post #44 of 48
8/10/08 at 3:47pm
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A movie will make more money than no movie.
No movie also costs no money to make.

I hate doing this but I'm just gonna go on the record now and predict that this movie is going to be a misfire. It might have some good moments. It might have a great trailer. It might have a big opening. But ultimately, I'm betting it's not going to be well-regarded.

And yes, I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong. I hope I am. I'd love to see a great TREK film again.
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post #45 of 48
8/10/08 at 4:08pm
Those posters look alright. I hope we get something completely outrageous though, something badass like that Dark Knight poster with the Bat-symbol burned into the side of some high rise. They need to up the ante - like have a Starfleet insignia burned into the side of a planet with a bunch of Klingons and Romulans shooting lasers and shit at it. And Kirk punching a Ferengi. I'd hang that shit in my room.
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post #46 of 48
8/10/08 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
No movie also costs no money to make.
Sure, but studios are neither in the "make no money" nor "spend no money" game.

There's probably an awesome punchline to this setup, but show me where movie studios ever decided to just sit on a property so it wouldn't be ruined, or where a movie exec ever said "I dunno guys, it might not be good."
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post #47 of 48
8/10/08 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
No movie also costs no money to make.

I hate doing this but I'm just gonna go on the record now and predict that this movie is going to be a misfire. It might have some good moments. It might have a great trailer. It might have a big opening. But ultimately, I'm betting it's not going to be well-regarded.

And yes, I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong. I hope I am. I'd love to see a great TREK film again.
If we accept this now can you promise to not take over the post release thread when it proves to be a disaster?

Somehow I think you're right though. Whilst I love Lost I reckon that's largely Lindoff's work, and Mission Impossible 3 didn't really give me much faith in Abrams as a director.
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post #48 of 48
8/10/08 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
No movie also costs no money to make.

I hate doing this but I'm just gonna go on the record now and predict that this movie is going to be a misfire. It might have some good moments. It might have a great trailer. It might have a big opening. But ultimately, I'm betting it's not going to be well-regarded.

And yes, I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong. I hope I am. I'd love to see a great TREK film again.
It would be hilarious if this was not just a reboot of the franchise but a reboot of the franchise's business; ie, like TMP, this movie doesn't really set anybody on fire but it makes enough to come back for another go-round.
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