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Goldeneye is Better than Casino Royale.

post #1 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:20am
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This was my conclusion after watching both back to back this weekend.

For me it feels more like a Bond Movie than Royale does and has so many great moments.

The introduction of Judy Dench as M

The Damn sequence

Sean Bean at his best

There is nothing to hate about this film and for me its one of the best in the series.
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post #2 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:25am
Here's what I hate about Goldeneye:

At one point, Judi Dench says to an underling, "He's the best we've got." That one line shrinks the Bond universe from one in which nine kickass spies are having awesome adventures all over the world to one in which only one kickass spy is having awesome adventures, and all the rest are merely the B team.
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post #3 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:30am
It doesn't seem like there can be a comparison, really. Casino Royale was a complete reboot with a different tone than the previous series. I think Goldeneye is one of the better Bond movies, but I prefer Craig and the direction the series is going with him.
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post #4 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:33am
Goldeneye had Famke. It wins.
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post #5 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:36am
Goldeneye. It's the perfect balance between comedy and action.
Pierce just sinks into the role he was born to play. Also Izabella Scorupco's Natalya is actually a well written gutsy character.

I am also one of the few who liked Eric Serra score as well.
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post #6 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti View Post
Here's what I hate about Goldeneye:

At one point, Judi Dench says to an underling, "He's the best we've got." That one line shrinks the Bond universe from one in which nine kickass spies are having awesome adventures all over the world to one in which only one kickass spy is having awesome adventures, and all the rest are merely the B team.
Oh the other eight (?) can still charm the britches off Betty whilst killing you with a spoon - Bond is just THAT MUCH BETTER.

"No more foreplay." I haven't seen it in years and have always been a touch gay for Brosnan, but I loved Goldeneye.
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post #7 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:39am
Goldeneye is the best Pierce Brosnan Bond, and the best videogame-ish reimagining of the Roger Moore era of Bond. It's Batman Forever to CR's Batman Begins. Compare if you want, but YMMV and it'll just make you crazy.
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post #8 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post
It doesn't seem like there can be a comparison, really. Casino Royale was a complete reboot with a different tone than the previous series. I think Goldeneye is one of the better Bond movies, but I prefer Craig and the direction the series is going with him.
They were attempting a reboot with Goldeneye as well, only not such a dramtic one. As mentioned by felix natalya the tone of the film is just spot on perfect. It's the right balance of modernising the franchise while remaining true to the spirit of the previous films. (Note I said films not books which is an entirely different animal.)
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post #9 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:46am
I especially liked the Sean Bean vs Pierce fight at the Communications Tower. Really hard edged. Its easily on par wth anything that the Bourne series can offer as well. Nice comedy. Nice action (The Tank scene). Nice music.

What did you think of the Bond girls here?
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post #10 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:48am
I'll always have a soft spot for Goldeneye, if only for re-igniting my love for Bond films. Only so that the increasingly insipid sequels could once again try to extinguish it. It's as good as semi-goofy Bond would ever get.

But a Goldeneye/CR is apples to oranges. Other than character names there's really not much else that they have in common. Except that both Brosnan and Craig chew with their mouth open like common savages.
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post #11 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:55am
Can't we love em both? I think they're both great for wildly different reasons. Goldeneye has the charm, the smolder and wild, over the top, stupidly ridiculous set pieces. And of course, Sean Bean, who remains to this day the best Bond baddy. He's my favorite because he's not just some random terrorist guy, he's James' old friend and colleague. And I do ever so much enjoy the Tina Turner song.

CR is just a gritty, balls to the wall espionage film. Goldeneye made things look easy, but there ain't nothing easy in CR. Plus, I like how the film took efforts to humanize JB.

Both are great. Though honestly, I'll probably watch Goldeneye more (way more fun).
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post #12 of 128
8/5/08 at 11:55am
Exactly, Goldeneye is in the tradition of the comedy/action/gadgetry of the other Bonds. Casino Royale is straight up Ret con.

But who here doesn't love Robbie Coltrane playing a Russian?
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post #13 of 128
8/5/08 at 12:00pm
Casino Royale has Eva Green. Which sort of puts it ahead in the Bond Girls Department.
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post #14 of 128
8/5/08 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by felix natalya View Post
Casino Royale has Eva Green. Which sort of puts it ahead in the Bond Girls Department.
Yeah, that shot of her in the mirror while putting on her make-up actually made me sigh out loud in the theater. She looks absolutely breathtaking.

Edit: Seriously.

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post #15 of 128
8/5/08 at 12:14pm
Goldeneye is a fun flick, but for all its deserved accolades for bringing Bond back to the forefront, it hinted at some of the contrivances and weaknesses which would become more apparent with each succeeding Brosnan film. Fun movie, though.
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post #16 of 128
8/5/08 at 12:17pm
These comparisons are really fun when you take into account that they were made by the same director.
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post #17 of 128
8/5/08 at 12:21pm
I actually prefer "Tomorrow Never Dies" over "Goldeneye."
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post #18 of 128
8/5/08 at 1:50pm
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I actually prefer "Tomorrow Never Dies" over "Goldeneye."
Ditto. What I really like about Goldeneye has already been mentioned: Famke & the fight between Brosnan and Bean. TND is just much more enjoyable for me.
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post #19 of 128
8/5/08 at 2:03pm
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post #20 of 128
8/5/08 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by Brad_Lohan View Post
I actually prefer "Tomorrow Never Dies" over "Goldeneye."
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post #21 of 128
8/5/08 at 2:21pm
I believe the girlwhack picture from Britain has replaced that fine example, Justin.
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post #22 of 128
8/5/08 at 2:35pm
I have to agree with Clark, I seriously can't believe you'd consider TND over Goldeneye. Also, Tina Turner vs. Sheryl Crow. Turner, hands down.
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post #23 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:07pm
TND has a better car sequence. Goldeneye does have a tank though.
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post #24 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:12pm
Goldeneye had the better villian. Far better.
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post #25 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:16pm
I love both films, but Casino Royale is just a superior film, far more thoughtful and engaging. I give a damn about Bond as a person in CR.

The choice is made so much easier because of that goofy-assed car chase in GE, scored by Serra with one of the worst pieces of music ever to hit celluloid. Seriously, did Serra just sprinkle notes onto his score sheet like grated cheese for that bit?
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post #26 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:18pm
Goldeneye is great Movie Bond. CR is great Fleming Bond.
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post #27 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:21pm
Brosnan felt like a step down from Dalton. (Like Moore from Connery). Forget about CASINO ROYALE, I'll take LIVING DAYLIGHTS over GOLDENEYE.
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post #28 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:22pm
This is a tough call (between Goldeneye and CR.) Goldeneye was the first Bond film I saw in theaters, and it really opened my eyes up to how much fun can be had with the character, but CR got my ass back in the theaters after The World is Not Enough and *gag* Die Another Day made me vow to never watch another one on the big screen.

Time will have to tell, as I have had over ten years to enjoy the shit out of Goldeneye, so much so I can pretty much replay the whole thing in my head. I do, however, enjoy Tomorrow Never Dies, but I agree Jonathan Pryce wasn't that great of a villain.
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post #29 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:27pm
You guys are forgetting the #1 reason Goldeneye is the best: the supporting cast. No Bond movie made before or after will be able to compare to this collection of characters. As soon as Judi Dench showed up in her first scene in Royale I was disappointed because she wasn't nearly the same character that made her awesome before. Besides her, it's got the awesomeness of:

-Desmond Llewellyn as Q
-Samantha Bond as Moneypenny (she's the fucking best, I wish they kept her)
-Michael Kitchen as Tanner
-Joe Don Baker as Jack Wade
-Gottfried "Motherfucking" John as Ourumov, maybe the easiest henchman to hate in the whole series he's played to such perfection
-Robbie Coltrane as wacky Valentin Dmitrovitch Zukovsky
-Alan Cumming as "Nobody screws with Boris Grishenko"
-Tcheky Karyo as Defense Minister Dmitri Mishkin

You just can't beat that.
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post #30 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:29pm
The Bond universe could do without Joe Don Baker.
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post #31 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:30pm
I can't stand Casino Royale.

Woody Allen should stay away from the Bond series.
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post #32 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by felix natalya View Post
I especially liked the Sean Bean vs Pierce fight at the Communications Tower. Really hard edged. Its easily on par wth anything that the Bourne series can offer as well. Nice comedy. Nice action (The Tank scene). Nice music.
Ridiculous!
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post #33 of 128
8/5/08 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by Ratty View Post
Goldeneye is great Movie Bond. CR is great Fleming Bond.
That pretty much sums it up. And I also liked Dalton as Bond. He's vastly underappreciated.
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post #34 of 128
8/5/08 at 4:07pm
Both are great, but I'd probably take CR.



And Boris and I thank you for posting that pic of Eva in front of the mirror.
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post #35 of 128
8/5/08 at 4:10pm
I'd put both in my top five Bond movies. And I only think there are five or six Bond movies that are worth a shit.

Can't we find room in our hearts to love them both?
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post #36 of 128
8/5/08 at 5:42pm
It's amazing how much shit we Bond fans will take from this series. The fact that neither TWINE or DAD negatively affected my love of the series or character is something.
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post #37 of 128
8/5/08 at 5:46pm
The best part of GE was the opening sequence; after that it goes downhill.
CR has a sustained level of excellence that none of the Brosnon films can match.

And if were talking about Bond girls I will take the beautiful Eva Green over the manish Famke anyday.
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post #38 of 128
8/5/08 at 5:54pm
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And if were talking about Bond girls I will take the beautiful Eva Green over the manish Famke anyday.
Truth be told I have never found Eva Green to be all that attractive. She's a fine actress, definitely one of the strong points of CR (as opposed to "Doctor" Christmas Jones in TWiNE) but I would take Famke any day of the week.
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post #39 of 128
8/5/08 at 5:56pm
I'm going with Eva six days. Famke can have Thursdays.
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post #40 of 128
8/5/08 at 5:57pm
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Truth be told I have never found Eva Green to be all that attractive. She's a fine actress, definitely one of the strong points of CR (as opposed to "Doctor" Christmas Jones in TWiNE) but I would take Famke any day of the week.
You obviously didn't see her nude scenes in "The Dreamers".
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post #41 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
You obviously didn't see her nude scenes in "The Dreamers".
No, but I have seen screen shots of said scenes. I'm not saying I would kick her out for eating crackers in bed, I've just had a mad crush on Famke since GE.
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post #42 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:04pm
They're both great. I pick Goldeneye mostly because I like the idea that the new Bond has to wrap up the Cold War remnants before he can move on to more 21st Century adventures like Tomorrow Never Dies. The commentary on the old Bonds in the scenes between M and Bond or Trevalyan/Orumov and Bond is what I dig the most. That and there's a fucking tank chase.
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post #43 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:05pm


You still dream of this happening, don't you?
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post #44 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:08pm
I think Goldeneye is the worst of the Brosnan Bond films. I will definitely take Tomorrow Never Dies, with the Rupert Murdock stlyed villain trying to start WW III, and Bond having to stop him. Also the opening in the weapons depot is a great beginning to a Bond film. Michelle Yeoh is also one of the best Bond Girls ever, plus she delivers more kicks than 100 years worth of Radio City Music Hall Rockettes.

I will take Casino Royale (not the one with Peter Sellers) over Goldeneye any day of the week. Daniel Craig is a great James Bond, 3rd after Roger Moore ( My Favorite 007) and Sean Connery. The action is intense, the lead actress Eva Green is great, and it is hopefully only the beginning of a 4 film run for Daniel Craig. If there are two more Bond films made by 2012, that would be the 50th anniversary of the James Bond films, so hopefully Craig will stay on.

The only Bond films, to me, that Goldeneye is better than are...From Russia With Love, You Only Live Twice, and A View To A Kill.
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post #45 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Sonic Boom View Post
You still dream of this happening, don't you?
Every damn night. If you gotta go sometime/somehow, what better way?
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post #46 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:20pm
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plus she delivers more kicks than 100 years worth of Radio City Music Hall Rockettes.
This makes it all worth it.
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post #47 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:20pm
Pistols. Dawn.
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The Bond universe could do without Joe Don Baker.
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post #48 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:20pm
I have never been one for computer games, but the very mention of Goldeneye reminds me of the exception to the rule.

What's more, there is the small matter of:

Valentin Dmitrovitch Zukovsky: He wants *me* to do him a favor! My knee aches every single day! Twice as bad when it is cold. Do you have any idea how long the winter lasts in this country? Tell him, Dmitri.
Bodyguard: Well, it depends...
Valentin Dmitrovitch Zukovsky: SILENCE!
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post #49 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:40pm
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Brosnan felt like a step down from Dalton. (Like Moore from Connery). Forget about CASINO ROYALE, I'll take LIVING DAYLIGHTS over GOLDENEYE.
Me, too.

I pretty much wrote off the Bond series in the Brosnan years. I thought Brosnan would make a great, Moore-style, charming, funny Bond, and I guess he did okay, but all of that charisma was barely noticeable amidst all of the explosions and big action setpieces. It's seriously the one era of the Bond movies that I just can't stomach.

I'll take virtually any Moore, Connery, or Dalton movie over the Brosnan movies (or, rather, the parts that I've seen - I think Goldeneye might have been the only one I made it all the way through), if only for the fact that the action doesn't always overshadow the plot and when it does, as in Moonraker, at least it's funny and entertaining. We're not supposed to be just held in awe by the pretty fireworks on the screen.
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post #50 of 128
8/5/08 at 6:46pm
I think audiences thought Dalton was way too serious when compared to Moore. After the 70's and 80's, they were more used to the gadget and slapstick "fun" version of Bond than Dalton's more realistic version.

The Living Daylights did fairly well in the Box Office. But somehow License To Kill failed to gain their attention (A real shame. Its one of the better Bond films).
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