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post #1 of 209
8/7/08 at 2:30am
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Just watched Caddyshack for the (insert infinite # here) time and every damn time I cringe when Noonan's girlfriend blasts her horrible Irish accent.

Sample dialogue:

Noonan-"Well I'm still willin to marry you!"

GF-"Yea. Well tank's fur nuthin!"

Was just curious if anybody could relate?
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post #2 of 209
8/7/08 at 2:49am
She's Scottish, but, yes, her scenes bring the movie to a complete halt several times.
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post #3 of 209
8/7/08 at 3:31am
Brick would be perfect if Brendan didn't misuse the phrase "zero-sum game" when talking to Laura. Sure, you can argue that maybe he knows what it means and was trying to be super high-level clever by using it for a different situation, but that shit ain't the truth.
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post #4 of 209
8/7/08 at 3:40am
American History X is brilliant but the scene with Papa Vinyard is horrifically awful and out of place. It's too convenient for Derek's racism to all of a sudden be conveniently attributed to his dad, it's always felt like a copout to me.
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post #5 of 209
8/7/08 at 3:41am
Khan recognizes Chekov.
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post #6 of 209
8/7/08 at 4:12am
Han shooting first.

Legolas's retarded uber-phant rail grind.

Plastic shark teeth bending when Quint gets chomped. You can fucking replace guns with walkie talkies, fix that shit Spielberg!

The GFOOCC. Hell, all of Spider-Man 3.
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post #7 of 209
8/7/08 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by James Kimbell View Post
Brick would be perfect if Brendan didn't misuse the phrase "zero-sum game" when talking to Laura. Sure, you can argue that maybe he knows what it means and was trying to be super high-level clever by using it for a different situation, but that shit ain't the truth.
Just out of curiosity, how was it used in the movie? I've seen it twice, but didn't even notice the misuse.
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post #8 of 209
8/7/08 at 5:05am
The ending of Red River. An epic confrontation that has been building and building for the entire film is resolved with "Boys, boys, please don't fight!" What??
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post #9 of 209
8/7/08 at 5:16am
The final shot of North By Northwest.
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post #10 of 209
8/7/08 at 6:47am
It's not ten years old yet, so the "classic" status is debatable(although i think it is)...

Fight Club: "Run Forrest, Run!"

I cringe every time.
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post #11 of 209
8/7/08 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by Jakespeare View Post
American History X is brilliant but the scene with Papa Vinyard is horrifically awful and out of place. It's too convenient for Derek's racism to all of a sudden be conveniently attributed to his dad, it's always felt like a copout to me.
I don't know. It always kinda made sense to me.

Personally, I'd go with the Eddie Griffin impersonator who somehow makes Derek LESS racist.
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post #12 of 209
8/7/08 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
Khan recognizes Chekov.
The stardates on Chekov's first episode and the Khan episode pan out. Someone wrote to Starlog back in the day pointing it out. Chekov "just wasn't on the bridge yet" or some shit like that.
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post #13 of 209
8/7/08 at 8:52am
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Plastic shark teeth bending when Quint gets chomped.
I have a similar issue with Predator. Everything in that film holds up, except when the Pred is doing surgery on himself, with obviously plastic, bendy, awkward fingers. The whole design and reveal of that creature is brilliant, but that sequence looks shit. Of course, it still kinda works cos of his awesome scream when he injects himself...
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post #14 of 209
8/7/08 at 9:55am
"Can you read my mind?"
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post #15 of 209
8/7/08 at 10:08am
The psychiatrist describing Norman Bate's life story at the end of PSYCHO. "He's suffering a personality disorder" no shit Sherlock.
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post #16 of 209
8/7/08 at 10:21am
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA- Supposed to believe Alec Guinness as an Arab? Bull-shit!

CASABLANCA-why does Humphrey Bogart talk so funny? And smoking? Hello! Never cool.

Don't even get me started on the way John Wayne walks in THE SEARCHERS! (Why doesn't he stand up straight!)
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post #17 of 209
8/7/08 at 10:34am
Stereotypes in movies are nothing new, but the first time I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's, I was really put off by Jerry Lewis' portrayal of an Asian man. i'm not hyper sensitive or anything, but in an otherwise well made film, that character is really jarring. it is, however a classic way to show younger folks how movies have changed in regards to content like this.

Also, the end of Casablanca. Why does it have to be so sad? ;o)
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post #18 of 209
8/7/08 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by KungFuCornelius View Post
Stereotypes in movies are nothing new, but the first time I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's, I was really put off by Jerry Lewis' portrayal of an Asian man.
Mickey Rooney.
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post #19 of 209
8/7/08 at 11:59am
Watching Close Encounters the other night, and something that has always bugged me (but not really) is the geography. I hate to break it to you folks, but that is not Indiana. It takes a few more minutes to get from Muncie to the Ohio border.

And nobody in the history of ever in the state of Indiana has called another human being a "turkey".
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post #20 of 209
8/7/08 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by Jakespeare View Post
American History X is brilliant but the scene with Papa Vinyard is horrifically awful and out of place. It's too convenient for Derek's racism to all of a sudden be conveniently attributed to his dad, it's always felt like a copout to me.
It works because Derek's dad, while not a racist skinhead, subliminally put racist thoughts in his head. His father's death was the true catalyst of Derek's racism, not necessarily his father.
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post #21 of 209
8/7/08 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
"Can you read my mind?"
I defy anyone to beat this.
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post #22 of 209
8/7/08 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by kungfumonkeyMike View Post
Just out of curiosity, how was it used in the movie? I've seen it twice, but didn't even notice the misuse.
He's a describing a situation where he personally would break even rather than the system as a whole. It's just one of those things where from the way he's talking he's supposed to be cool and smart, but it also makes this one mistake sound especially bad. (To me, at least.) If Johnson did this on purpose to show that Brendan is still young and not perfect, then great, but I'm 99% sure he just made a common mistake.
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post #23 of 209
8/7/08 at 12:52pm
Honestly I never cared for Butch Coolidge's girlfriend and her desire to have a potbelly in Pulp Fiction.
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post #24 of 209
8/7/08 at 12:59pm
Re: Pulp Fiction, fuck you Kathy Griffin.
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post #25 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:00pm
And another thing. Was that woman french? THe hell was she from anyway?
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post #26 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:02pm
He should've hooked up with the cab driver.
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post #27 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:19pm
Intentional, but... Scarlett O' Hara.

She just reminds me too much of my sister-in-law for me to enjoy GONE WITH THE WIND.
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post #28 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:22pm
You sister in law looks like Vivien Leigh?

Hubba Hubba.
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post #29 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:25pm
Beth Grant always takes me out of No Country For Old Men for the 2 minutes she is onscreen.
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post #30 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Ratty View Post
She's Scottish, but, yes, her scenes bring the movie to a complete halt several times.
Nope, she's supposed to be Irish. She makes a comment about the Irish beauty pageant The Rose of Tralee in one scene. Horrible, horrible accent, one of the worst I've heard.
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post #31 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:39pm
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or some shit like that.
Exactly. The stardates pan out, but I still find it quite difficult to believe that it was anything other than an embarrassing oversight on the filmmakers' part. Why intentionally create an apparent plot hole that you have to explain your way out of with stardates? Sulu and Chekov should have been switched, but if you're playing Chekov, and you realize this error, do you point it out and let them give Takei the good shit while you're stuck cooling out on the bridge of the Enterprise? Hell no. What I don't understand is why Takei didn't point it out - he might not have remembered that Chekov wasn't in the episode either. That's the best I've got for that one.
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post #32 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:45pm
Natalie Portman in Heat. I wouldn't cut any of the rest of the family stuff for any of the characters (look at the economy used to establish Trejo's relationship), but it doesn't add as much as it does just present her as an annoying brat. Sure, its cos her dad's an uncaring douche, and her mum isn't much better, but it seems like it was put in there just to have Pacino discover her *SPOILER* in the tub, gushing blood. And her trying to kill herself doesn't ring true anyway.

One of my favourite films, but could have lost 10 minutes right there and still resolved the Pacino/Venora relationship dynamic.
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post #33 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:46pm
That Chekhov/Kahn shit never bothered me. It's really not that much of a stretch to figure he wasn't on the bridge, yet (as pointed out above by Phil). Sure, you've got that line about never forgetting a face, even then, the dude has had plenty of time to stew, maybe he has a bunch of random crew members faces and names memorized.

Or maybe I just always got distracted by nasty brain worms a few moments later.
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post #34 of 209
8/7/08 at 1:53pm
Heston in general irks me with his mexican't impression in Touch of Evil, but the part that gets me most is when the stunning opening scene hits a bump with Heston's "Do you realize I haven't kissed you in over an hour?"

The bomb didn't go off in the car a second later, it went off right there.
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post #35 of 209
8/7/08 at 8:18pm
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Beth Grant always takes me out of No Country For Old Men for the 2 minutes she is onscreen.
Agreed. The other, more local, actors are great and hilarious in that movie, but she just falls flat for me.
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post #36 of 209
8/7/08 at 8:33pm
It's funny that Casablanca was brought up, because what grates on me in that film is the soft focus of Ingrid Bergman's close-up shots. Since it was a convention of the time, you can't blame the film-makers, but it's always bugged me. It stands out in a lot of old films, but very much so in Casablanca because the film is so well-preserved, with its crisp lines and great B&W contrast. It's jarring when the shot cuts to her close-up, because she's so beautiful I just want to wipe away the fog.
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post #37 of 209
8/7/08 at 8:38pm
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It's funny that Casablanca was brought up, because what grates on me in that film is the soft focus of Ingrid Bergman's close-up shots. Since it was a convention of the time, you can't blame the film-makers, but it's always bugged me. It stands out in a lot of old films, but very much so in Casablanca because the film is so well-preserved, with its crisp lines and great B&W contrast. It's jarring when the shot cuts to her close-up, because she's so beautiful I just want to wipe away the fog.
It's pretty unfair to single out Casablanca, as that happened in just about every film from the period. I will say this: I find it far, far less jarring in the HD-DVD print than I did in DVD. Whether this is me having grown used to it, or some technical reason, I'm not sure.

**this post was not inspired by the paranormal thread.
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post #38 of 209
8/7/08 at 11:28pm
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You sister in law looks like Vivien Leigh?

Hubba Hubba.
No, same attitude as Scarlett.
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post #39 of 209
8/7/08 at 11:53pm
Sex scene in Munich.
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post #40 of 209
8/8/08 at 12:07am
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No, same attitude as Scarlett.
Just tell her, frankly you don't give a damn.
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post #41 of 209
8/8/08 at 12:31am
The worst part of Casablanca is the opening. Ugh, that newsreel opening is shit.
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post #42 of 209
8/8/08 at 12:45am
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Legolas's retarded uber-phant rail grind.
Just shout "YABBA DABBA DOOOOO!" and it becomes awesome.

In The Matrix: it seems insanely nitpicky, but I loathe when the one guy who's never been plugged in (ergo has never seen television) makes a Life Cereal commercial reference. What, that joke was so hilarious the Wachowskis just had to keep it?
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post #43 of 209
8/8/08 at 1:01am
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No, same attitude as Scarlett.
Does that make you Aaaasshhley?
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post #44 of 209
8/8/08 at 1:03am
Spoilers for Y Tu Mama Tambien follow: I thought that the date of death for Isabel Verdu's character, mentioned in the last scene as happening a month (or three?) after their trip should have been extended to a year or so. She didn't seem to be having any effects from it, just "movie disease" as plot point, and that one line of dialogue could have easily been changed. Experience since then has taught me that cancer can mess folks up pretty quickly, so I guess it's believable.

But why did she have to die to bring the boys the magical knowledge that they were attracted to each other? Could she just have been someone getting out of shitty marriage who was a free spirit?
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post #45 of 209
8/8/08 at 1:40am
In THE GODFATHER when Michael and Apollonia are gonna consummate their marriage. Apollonia disrobes and we get a clear look at what she's got up top and then Coppola screws the pooch by cutting away to a reaction shot of Michael for a few seconds, seconds that would have been better served with more time to ogle nude Appollonia. I find this grating.
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post #46 of 209
8/8/08 at 2:39am
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In The Matrix: it seems insanely nitpicky, but I loathe when the one guy who's never been plugged in (ergo has never seen television) makes a Life Cereal commercial reference. What, that joke was so hilarious the Wachowskis just had to keep it?
Tank had never been plugged in, but even without the technology or resources that spawned them, who's to say the people of Zion don't still make pop culture references?

Also, lest we forget, he makes a Wheaties reference later, knows the stereotypical flight attendant spiel by heart, and later on, Link refers to Neo as "doin' his Superman thing".
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post #47 of 209
8/8/08 at 3:10am
Both of these Matrix characters that are being spoken about spent about 90% of their waking (fictional) lives staring at and observing the Matrix. They are also surrounded by people who did grow up in the system. I don't think it's too too weird that they might have picked up on some cultural references.
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post #48 of 209
8/8/08 at 3:20am
True. It's still a corny joke. Oh, and it was Mouse that made the Tasty Wheat reference, unless you meant something else.

Back on topic, Marty McFly would not sound like that singing "Johnny B. Goode". That voice is horribly wrong. Michael J. Fox clearly does (or did) play guitar though.
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post #49 of 209
8/8/08 at 3:25am
The nativity scene with Franz on the cross from Berlin Alexanderplatz. You know Fassbinder, you really need to get the whole pacing thing together - hour 14 is just such a drag. I don't think I've checked my watch that much since I saw House of Sand and Fog.
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post #50 of 209
8/8/08 at 6:05am
The Lord of the Rings films have way, way too many shots of people talking in slow motion. Jackson just fell in love with this technique, and it grates on my nerves. That extreme close-up of Sean Astin's mouth saying "share the load" in slo-mo haunts my dreams to this day. I didn't need to see that.
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