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post #51 of 209
8/8/08 at 6:23am
Brad Pitt's acting when he looks into the camera and starts screaming "Oh God!" over and over again at the end of Seven gives me the giggles every time I watch it, and I know that's not the reaction I'm supposed to be having.

This is nitpicking to the extreme but it's always blown my mind that they beat Eric to a bloody pulp at the end of Killing Zoe and nobody gives a single thought to the fact that he has AIDS for fuck's sake. All those open wounds all over Zed and Zoe mean that they're quite likely infected, and it's just ignored. Always bugs the shit out of me.
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post #52 of 209
8/8/08 at 8:35am
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I defy anyone to beat this.
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Sex scene in Munich.
Well done.
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post #53 of 209
8/8/08 at 9:22am
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True. It's still a corny joke. Oh, and it was Mouse that made the Tasty Wheat reference, unless you meant something else.
"Here you go, Neo. Breakfast of Champions."

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Back on topic, Marty McFly would not sound like that singing "Johnny B. Goode". That voice is horribly wrong. Michael J. Fox clearly does (or did) play guitar though.
Yes.
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post #54 of 209
8/8/08 at 12:22pm
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That extreme close-up of Sean Astin's mouth saying "share the load" in slo-mo haunts my dreams to this day. I didn't need to see that.
No, but this post made me laugh. So it was worth it.
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post #55 of 209
8/8/08 at 12:34pm
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This is nitpicking to the extreme but it's always blown my mind that they beat Eric to a bloody pulp at the end of Killing Zoe and nobody gives a single thought to the fact that he has AIDS for fuck's sake. All those open wounds all over Zed and Zoe mean that they're quite likely infected, and it's just ignored. Always bugs the shit out of me.
I always figured that this film simply ended with everyone getting AIDS, and the filmmakers thought enough of my cognitive abilities to not have to spell it out directly. Been a long time since I watched this, to be fair.
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post #56 of 209
8/8/08 at 1:11pm
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I always figured that this film simply ended with everyone getting AIDS, and the filmmakers thought enough of my cognitive abilities to not have to spell it out directly. Been a long time since I watched this, to be fair.
My thought as well. Way too much emphasis on the guy's bleeding to say Avary didn't notice.
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post #57 of 209
8/8/08 at 2:18pm
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Fight Club: "Run Forrest, Run!"

I cringe every time.
YES!
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post #58 of 209
8/8/08 at 2:25pm
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That extreme close-up of Sean Astin's mouth saying "share the load" in slo-mo haunts my dreams to this day. I didn't need to see that.
Just reading your comment on that shot made me laugh. Other ones... (I hope people haven't already added to these on the next page of the thread)

"Gaaaaaandaaaaaaalf?"

"I caaaan't dooooo thiiiisss Sssaaaammm..."

EDIT: Damn you, DARKMITE8...
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post #59 of 209
8/8/08 at 8:33pm
I liked Brick a lot, but I felt a lot of the slang was grating. Really kept me from loving the movie like everyone else. I know that sounds stupid, but when a movie you otherwise enjoy irritates you in any way, especially with such frequency, it is going to take a lot from the experience. I have a pet peeve of lame slang anywhere, so it's not just this movie.
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post #60 of 209
8/8/08 at 8:38pm
It's not lame slang, that's straight up Pulp Fiction Mike Hammer Film Noir talk. Without the slang you basicly don't have the set up of the movie.
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post #61 of 209
8/8/08 at 8:46pm
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It's not lame slang, that's straight up Pulp Fiction Mike Hammer Film Noir talk. Without the slang you basicly don't have the set up of the movie.
I'm not familiar with Mike Hammer stuff so any referential appreciation I'd get is lost. It's also not the fact that they use slang, it's the particular words and terms they use that bug me.
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post #62 of 209
8/8/08 at 8:48pm
I've only seen a part of Brick once (the DVD I had crapped out on me), but I think I know how Smeagol feels. I can appreciate what the filmmakers were going for, but I also found it hard to accept the lines the actors had to speak. It's cool dialogue, but with the contemporary look there was a massive disconnect for me. Sometimes it was cool. Sometimes it felt forced. Sometimes it just felt awkward. I don't think it was any real fault of the filmmakers. That's the risk of trying something different.

Contemporary high school setting + hard-boiled dialogue... the potential for absolute horror was high.

Sin City, on the other hand, was worse in this regard. It felt like a child trying to mimic that old-fashioned style of language. Even when it had all the faux-noir visuals to go with it. I thought it was kinda cool when I first saw it, but that stuff started to grate on me more and more.
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post #63 of 209
8/8/08 at 8:48pm
Well there ya go. If you're not familar with it. You'll be lost. Problem solved.
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post #64 of 209
8/8/08 at 11:06pm
Similar to the Breakfast at Tiffany's mention on the first page, there's a racist joke in Duck Soup that really sticks out.

Rufus T. Firefly: I always was a little headstrong. My father was a little headstrong. My mother was a little armstrong. The Headstrongs married the Armstrongs, and that's why darkies were born.

And then, in case your viewing experience wasn't awkward enough, there's a two-second pause to allow for audience laughter.
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post #65 of 209
8/8/08 at 11:18pm
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I've only seen a part of Brick once (the DVD I had crapped out on me), but I think I know how Smeagol feels. I can appreciate what the filmmakers were going for, but I also found it hard to accept the lines the actors had to speak. It's cool dialogue, but with the contemporary look there was a massive disconnect for me. Sometimes it was cool. Sometimes it felt forced. Sometimes it just felt awkward. I don't think it was any real fault of the filmmakers. That's the risk of trying something different.

Contemporary high school setting + hard-boiled dialogue... the potential for absolute horror was high.
It's supposed to feel like that in the beginning. Part of the movie is figuring out how the style works and what the slang translates to (one of my favorite moments is when you finally get confirmation as to what one of the more prevalent terms means.) Watch the whole thing and realize that Smeagol is crazy.
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post #66 of 209
8/8/08 at 11:38pm
To be honest, the slang is the backbone of that film. It paints the aesthetic of the movie in a way that is just as, or even more important than the costumes and production design. I understand if you're not sold on the delivery, but if you can't buy the slang, you can't buy the film. It's not a matter of being familiar or comfortable with it, it's just the issue of accepting the universe the director is presenting. Which again, if you don't dig it, that's cool.
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post #67 of 209
8/8/08 at 11:43pm
Just watched A Cry in the Dark, and I heard a little screeching horror movie noise when one of the Chamberlain sons lets the reporter (or investigator? I'm not sure) who had been knocking on doors into the house. Maybe it wasn't actually a part of the film, but whatever the case, it really brought me out of the moment.
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post #68 of 209
8/9/08 at 3:01am
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It's supposed to feel like that in the beginning. Part of the movie is figuring out how the style works and what the slang translates to (one of my favorite moments is when you finally get confirmation as to what one of the more prevalent terms means.) Watch the whole thing and realize that Smeagol is crazy.
It's easy to figure out what the slang means and it's obvious they're going for a film noir feel, it's just exactly how Mcnooj described.

It's not even a deal-breaker for the movie, it just keeps me from truly loving it. Instead I just think it's a good little movie, not an utter classic.

Renn Brown is exactly right in that it's a matter of accepting it or not.
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post #69 of 209
8/9/08 at 10:03am
I saw the slang as more Chandler, myself, but I'm ready to be wrong.

On topic: I think I'm with Ebert on the explanation at the end of Psycho. It's unnecessary.
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post #70 of 209
8/9/08 at 1:18pm
Wasn't Psycho's coda necessary for people at the time? Or was split-personality disorder a commonly known condition even then?

At least the scene leads into that great moment with Anthony Perkins thinking to himself and smiling at us.
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post #71 of 209
8/9/08 at 5:57pm
It's not a new complaint but the Evil Dead 2 conversation in High Fidelity never ceases to bother me.
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post #72 of 209
8/9/08 at 6:28pm
I'm just here to present tiny nitpicks that piss me off, not some grand moments or miscasting, like that Fight Club moment.
Here's another...

The "Metroid" conversation on the plane in Jarhead. That goddamn game didn't have levels!

In fact, I'm sick of video games and computers being misrepresented in films. A lot of times it's like, "Hey, I recognize that game.", then the sound effects are bleeps or bloops or the person playing is using a controller from a totally different system. Or every little thing someone does with a computer in a film makes a ludicrous amount of noise(more bleeps and bloops).
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post #73 of 209
8/9/08 at 8:50pm
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Similar to the Breakfast at Tiffany's mention on the first page, there's a racist joke in Duck Soup that really sticks out.

Rufus T. Firefly: I always was a little headstrong. My father was a little headstrong. My mother was a little armstrong. The Headstrongs married the Armstrongs, and that's why darkies were born.

And then, in case your viewing experience wasn't awkward enough, there's a two-second pause to allow for audience laughter.
yeah. I absolutely love The Marx Bros. films, and at t the time comments like those were acceptable. It's hard to show those films to some people if you're not sure how they're gonna react. I believe in A Day At The Races, the brothers stumble upon a group of black people and they are all either dancing or shooting dice. It is another example of "how things were" but it is a bit grating nonetheless.

oh and I apologize for the Mickey Rooney/Jerry Lewis screw up earlier. I must've been high on life when I posted.
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post #74 of 209
8/9/08 at 11:17pm
Obi-Wan's fake beard in AOTC. It's front and center during "This weapon is your life" and "Good call my young padawan".
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post #75 of 209
8/9/08 at 11:28pm
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Obi-Wan's fake beard in AOTC. It's front and center during "This weapon is your life" and "Good call my young padawan".
And that's the only flaw with Attack of the Clones.
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post #76 of 209
8/9/08 at 11:32pm
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And that's the only flaw with Attack of the Clones.
The thread title asks for grating things, not flaws. The fake beard is grating, eveything else is just lame or cheesy.
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post #77 of 209
8/9/08 at 11:49pm
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Similar to the Breakfast at Tiffany's mention on the first page, there's a racist joke in Duck Soup that really sticks out.
It should be noted that it's a reference to a popular song Kate Smith song at the time, "That's Why Darkies Were Born." No joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That%27...kies_Were_Born
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post #78 of 209
8/9/08 at 11:51pm
Ash's karate chopping after he's beheaded by a fire extinguisher in "Alien."
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post #79 of 209
8/10/08 at 4:06am
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The thread title asks for grating things, not flaws. The fake beard is grating, eveything else is just lame or cheesy.
Gratings in otherwise classic films, though?

But I love that you pointed out the fake beard, regardless. I can't stand the damn thing! I guess make-up artists haven't been able to really mimic that thick highlander hair!!! It seriously sometimes happened within the same scene between cuts totally blatantly!!! Where was Lucas' fancy non-linear digital 3D editing tricks then!?!?! HMMMMM!?
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post #80 of 209
8/10/08 at 4:22am
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In fact, I'm sick of video games and computers being misrepresented in films. A lot of times it's like, "Hey, I recognize that game.", then the sound effects are bleeps or bloops or the person playing is using a controller from a totally different system. Or every little thing someone does with a computer in a film makes a ludicrous amount of noise(more bleeps and bloops).


i'll do you one more and say nearly all computer representations i've ever seen on film suck. Especially if its a 'computer movie' like Hackers or Die Hard 4.

Actually the only time i've seen someone use a computer and it actually looked like a working OS was Iron Man (when potts was getting the files off of tonys computer)
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post #81 of 209
8/10/08 at 6:31am
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Honestly I never cared for Butch Coolidge's girlfriend and her desire to have a potbelly in Pulp Fiction.
Having just finished watching Henry and June, I would walk through broken glass barefoot Die Hard style for Maria de Medeiros. Sweet fucking Christ, what a gorgeous woman. I barely noticed Uma Thurman was even in the movie because I couldn't take my eyes off her.

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Gratings in otherwise classic films, though?

But I love that you pointed out the fake beard, regardless. I can't stand the damn thing! I guess make-up artists haven't been able to really mimic that thick highlander hair!!! It seriously sometimes happened within the same scene between cuts totally blatantly!!! Where was Lucas' fancy non-linear digital 3D editing tricks then!?!?! HMMMMM!?
Yeah, it's really easy to spot reshoots (elevator scene before meeting Padme!) in Episode 2 by Ewan's fake beard/mullet. Still, there are very few indeed (Duke Fleed maybe) that would consider that movie "classic" for the purposes of this thread.
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post #82 of 209
8/10/08 at 1:23pm
in Ernest Goes to Camp, they really failed to show the intricacies of teaching turtles how to become paratroopers. it's an intense process that takes many years to truly get right, and they just kind of glossed over it. every time I see that assault scene I wonder how many turtles died that day due to improper training.
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post #83 of 209
8/11/08 at 11:29pm
In The Departed, Mark Wahlberg's ADR for the "up a camel's ass from a couple hundred miles away" line never ceases to bug me. It's one of the most out of place looped lines I've ever heard.

Also in The Departed, the jump cut in the middle of the shot where young Costello slaps the loose change into little Sullivan's hand. Just kind of irks me. I pretty much cringe at any cut like that though.
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post #84 of 209
8/12/08 at 12:14am
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i'll do you one more and say nearly all computer representations i've ever seen on film suck. Especially if its a 'computer movie' like Hackers or Die Hard 4.

Actually the only time i've seen someone use a computer and it actually looked like a working OS was Iron Man (when potts was getting the files off of tonys computer)
Hackers in movies are so awesome they don't even need a mouse.
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post #85 of 209
8/12/08 at 1:09am
Tarantino's "Like a Virgin" speech at the beginning of Reservoir Dogs makes me want to punch him in the ear. It's an annoying speech to begin with, and his delivery just takes it to a whole new level of terrible. He should have stopped acting right there.
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post #86 of 209
8/12/08 at 1:55am
Bad ADR (as someone mentioned above) really sticks in my craw. LA Confidential has some bad ones. I mostly remember it for Guy Pearce. "You've got a BIG GUILTY sign hanging around your neck." I always figured his accent slipped or something.
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post #87 of 209
8/12/08 at 2:05am
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Tarantino's "Like a Virgin" speech at the beginning of Reservoir Dogs makes me want to punch him in the ear. It's an annoying speech to begin with, and his delivery just takes it to a whole new level of terrible. He should have stopped acting right there.
It's not so much the Like a Virgin speech but his death scene that bothers me in that movie.
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post #88 of 209
8/12/08 at 2:07am
He just looks confused.
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post #89 of 209
8/12/08 at 2:16am
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He just looks confused.
Exactly.
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post #90 of 209
8/12/08 at 2:28am
Yeah, that too. We're just fortunate that his ego wasn't so out of control as to prevent him from killing his own character early. Can you imagine if he'd given himself Tim Roth's part?
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post #91 of 209
8/12/08 at 2:29am
For classics of bad ADR, there's always "WORK SHED!"

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Yeah, that too. We're just fortunate that his ego wasn't so out of control as to prevent him from killing his own character early. Can you imagine if he'd given himself Tim Roth's part?
He wrote Mr. Pink for himself originally.
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post #92 of 209
8/12/08 at 2:36am
Regardless of the rest of the movie I gotta think that if he was Mr. Pink or Mr. Orange that film would not be looked at quite as fondly. I could be overreacting though.
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post #93 of 209
8/12/08 at 2:40am
No, he really is a pretty bad actor. The one and only time I liked him was in From Dusk Till Dawn, and I actually didn't like the movie itself; just he and Clooney's relationship.
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post #94 of 209
8/12/08 at 3:37am
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He wrote Mr. Pink for himself originally.
Isn't there something on the DVD where he's acting out scenes in his apartment to see how they play on camera, with him in the Mr. Pink role? Yeah, that's a good indicator on what kind of bullet we dodged there.

His best performance was Dusk Til Dawn, but I always get a chuckle out of his ridiculously over the top "Dead Nigger Storage" rant in Pulp Fiction. At least he regulated himself to a background extra in Kill Bill.
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post #95 of 209
8/12/08 at 3:43am
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Isn't there something on the DVD where he's acting out scenes in his apartment to see how they play on camera, with him in the Mr. Pink role? Yeah, that's a good indicator on what kind of bullet we dodged there.

His best performance was Dusk Til Dawn, but I always get a chuckle out of his ridiculously over the top "Dead Nigger Storage" rant in Pulp Fiction. At least he regulated himself to a background extra in Kill Bill.
Don't forget his role as Answering Machine Voice in Jackie Brown: "END OF MESSAGE."
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post #96 of 209
8/12/08 at 6:18am
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No, he really is a pretty bad actor. The one and only time I liked him was in From Dusk Till Dawn, and I actually didn't like the movie itself; just he and Clooney's relationship.

Shit, even then most of the point was that Clooney was condescending to him.
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post #97 of 209
8/12/08 at 7:06am
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At least he regulated himself to a background extra in Kill Bill.
Where is Tarantino in Kill Bill?
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post #98 of 209
8/12/08 at 7:30am
I watched The Godfather last night and one thing that bugged me was when Sonny beats up Carlo on the street. The angle was from the side and you could really tell Caan's punches were missing. It's a minor thing but it did grate.
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post #99 of 209
8/12/08 at 8:31am
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Where is Tarantino in Kill Bill?
He loses an eye or two in the House of Blue Leaves, crazy 88 massacre.
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post #100 of 209
8/12/08 at 8:53am
This is nitpicky. At the end of Predator, Arnold is pinned to a log by the Predator for about two seconds. The problem is, the space between the Predator's claws was obviously not wide enough to encompass the Austrian Oak's neck. So, either the filmmaker's realized this at the last minute and cut away from the shot very quickly, or the Predator's claws really did have the ability to spread farther apart. Not sure what purpose that would serve...

Also, in Batman Forever, Riddler and Two-Face sneak into Wayne Manor by acting like trick-r-treaters. That's not only dumb in of itself, but means the finale of the movie takes place on HALLOWEEN NIGHT, and that fact is not capitalized on! The holiday should have been emphasized throughout the movie as much as Christmas was in Returns, and the bicentennial in B'89.

Now that I think about it, maybe that explains all the day glo gangsters in the streets.
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