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post #1 of 148
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Andre's thread on the top 1000 films ever is a fantastic read and it's a necessity for anyone like me who needs to be shamed into watching more cinema. It can be found here

http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php...highlight=1000

Anywaya the discussion has veered into trying to assess what modern films would appear on lists like this in a decade or twos time. Now of course it's impossible to properly gauge the lasting appeal of movies and this is all theoretical but I'm quite interested in what your views are.

For my money I'm still betting on The Fountain getting some love about a decade from now. I think it's going to be one of those movies that gets rediscovered, whilst it's probably not the sort of material you'd usually see in these sort of lists it might make it as something of a wildcard.

I think There Will Be Blood and Assassination of Jesse James are shoe ins for future love. I think Daniel Day-Lewis's performance and the iconography of the film is going to gurantee it a lot of love and I see Jesse James becoming a film that stays with people and slowly becomes more and more powerful. It's my favourite film of last year so I certainly hope it gets itself a decent reputation. I think No Country For Old Men might not make these lists, I don't know why I just don't think it fits the canon.

I honestly think I'm Not There and Into The Wild probably have a chance of making the grade .

Foreign Film wise you're bound to get Amelie making impacts in lists. Whilst I dislike certain elements of the film it's one of those movies which has really charmed a lot of critics.

Oldboy is probably a shoe-in but the recent appearance of the Dekalog on lists suggests that future lists might incorporate one of Park Chan-wooks other Vengenace films as well. I'd put money on Mr. trumping Lady.

I think Audition's appearance in Departed kind of represents a growing knowledge of the film and I think once again it'll probably appear on a fair few lists as an outsider choice and I think Infernal Affairs will benefit from being remade.
post #2 of 148
I noticed there aren't any Pixar films on the list. Surely at least one of them deserves to be included.
post #3 of 148
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Aside from the Incredibles and Toy Story I've never 'gotten' Pixar. I guess that means I have no soul. I also missed off Zodiac, but I honestly think that films doomed to obscurity which is a crying shame.
post #4 of 148
I'm using the ten year mark as my basis.

Saving Private Ryan, Memento, LOTR trilogy, Eternal Sunshine, Downfall, American History X, American Beauty, The Big Lebowski.

There's probably more that I'm forgetting or that other people think are classics but who knows. I'll add more later.
post #5 of 148
Here are some of my picks in no particular order.
The Prestige
No Country For Old Men
Away From Her
There Will Be Blood
Hard Candy
Munich
Children of Men
post #6 of 148
Solid choices all around, guys. To add my own, Children of Men will start popping up on lists in the next decade, as will Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

Other good candidates probably include Once and American Splendor, and maybe Sideways.

Personally, I'm hoping The Mist starts getting some love in the near future, a la John Carpenter's The Thing.
post #7 of 148
I actually started cooking up a list of classic movies this decade but it kinda descended into favorites. Plus we still got a year and a half before this decade closes out.

From last year, there's the undisputed classics like No Country, There Will Be Blood, Zodiac, The Diving Bell & the Butterfly I'm Not There, The Assassination of Jesse James, and Into the Wild. The disputable (not by me) contestants might include Once, Hot Fuzz, Gone Baby Gone, and Lake of Fire. Throw in either of the Apatowmedies and you've got yourself a pretty great year. Some of you might throw in Juno or Michael Clayton - and that's okay, but only if you had extra list space and you were starved. And that's just '07, so you know... not bad.

Everything else Spike said was pretty much spot-o, especially the Asian cinema choices. Since everyone else is gonna start throwing in their top picks, I'd like to recognize some of my choices: Last Days, Brick, Primer, Sideways, The Squid & the Whale, The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, United 93, and Y Tu Mama Tambien.
post #8 of 148
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Solid choices all around, guys. To add my own, Children of Men will start popping up on lists in the next decade, as will Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

Other good candidates probably include Once and American Splendor, and maybe Sideways.

Personally, I'm hoping The Mist starts getting some love in the near future, a la John Carpenter's The Thing.
I fucking love Sideways. There's another.
post #9 of 148
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I'm using the ten year mark as my basis.

Saving Private Ryan, Memento, LOTR trilogy, Eternal Sunshine, Downfall, American History X, American Beauty, The Big Lebowski.

There's probably more that I'm forgetting or that other people think are classics but who knows. I'll add more later.
Sorry to be that guy, but Big Lebowski was '98. Doesn't mean it's not great - jus sayin.
post #10 of 148
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Hard Candy, Primer, Brick, United 93, and The Squid and the Whale are fucking phenomenal choices. Can't believe I let those slip. I'm still trying to decide if The Devil's Backbone or Pan's Labirynth are going to be recognised for Del Toro. I think only one of the films will make the cut and I honestly can't decide which one would be chosen.
post #11 of 148
I think Three Burials is going to be stuck in obscurity like Zodiac, sadly. I was really kind of shocked Children of Men wasn't on the list already, regardless of age.

I don't think Seven was included, which is a damn shame.

Ghostbusters has to be on there, and it's far from future.

If Romero's Dead films were there, then Shaun of the Dead is going to find a spot.

I think the entire "Vengeance" Trilogy could be up for argument for placement, though as much as I love Oldboy to death, I would put Sympathy ahead of it.

Spike, for Del Toro, it's probably going to be Pan, just thanks to it's success. Devil's Backbone is amazing though.
post #12 of 148
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Everything else you said was pretty much spot-o, especially the Asian cinema choices. Since everyone else is gonna start throwing in their top picks, I'd like to recognize some of my choices: Last Days, Brick, Primer, Sideways, The Squid & the Whale, The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, United 93, and Y Tu Mama Tambien.
Really nice choice, Eaton. Can't believe I forgot Brick and United 93. Both are such visceral film experiences. And I'm going to echo your nomination of Three Burials...it really does not get enough love. It's a damn good picture.

Your post reminded me that Shaun of the Dead will probably make it's way onto the lower ends of these type of lists in the coming years.

Edit: How could I forget Ghostbusters?! Good call, Billy. I was shocked to see that it wasn't on the list Dellamorte posted. And Spike, I'm leaning more toward Pan's Labyrinth, though I really feel that both deserve to be included.
post #13 of 148
Andrew mentioned it before I could, but it's United 93 that I want to show up on these sorts of things. I really feel like it is among the most special movies that have ever been put together. It's relationship with the tragedy it portrays is very unique, and I think it deserves more recognition than it gets.

EDIT: Glad to hear people agree.
post #14 of 148
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Hard Candy, Primer, Brick, United 93, and The Squid and the Whale are fucking phenomenal choices. Can't believe I let those slip. I'm still trying to decide if The Devil's Backbone or Pan's Labirynth are going to be recognised for Del Toro. I think only one of the films will make the cut and I honestly can't decide which one would be chosen.
It's gonna be Pan's. It was his prestige picture. Doesn't mean Devil's Backbone was any less great, it's just what's gonna get recognized.
post #15 of 148
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Really nice choice, Eaton. Can't believe I forgot Brick and United 93. Both are such visceral film experiences. And I'm going to echo your nomination of Three Burials...it really does not get enough love. It's a damn good picture.

Your post reminded me that Shaun of the Dead will probably make it's way onto the lower ends of these type of lists in the coming years.
Thanks. I really hope you're right about Shaun. I'd love to see Hot Fuzz on these kinds of things but I'm amazed at the overall response Fuzz got from critics and average moviegoers; it just seemed to be a shrug. People thought it was funny, I just don't think they dug the subject matter. A good friend of mine who loved Shaun explained his indifference to Hot Fuzz as being akin to how he feels about the Colbert Report: "I get the joke, I just don't think it's that funny."

Maybe because there are still movies like the ones Hot Fuzz sends-up, just like there are still real Bill O'Reillys out there despite Colbert's post-O'Reilly style/humor. Probably why The Rules of the Game was only hailed as brilliant after the war and everything.

Edgar Wright, I hope at one point you make fun of the French comedies of manners.
post #16 of 148
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Sorry to be that guy, but Big Lebowski was '98. Doesn't mean it's not great - jus sayin.
Yeah, 1998 was 10 years ago.
post #17 of 148
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Yeah, 1998 was 10 years ago.
Sorry, for some reason I was assuming we were doing this decade but we didn't really define modern. Nevermind! You still had great choices.
post #18 of 148
Hard Candy? Not a chance. It will NOT age well.

I think Pan's, TWWB, Jesse James and Zodiac are all shoo-ins. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that one day Jackie Brown will rightly be hailed as the classic of Tarantino's career, zeitgeist be damned.
post #19 of 148
I whole-heartedly agree with Children of Men and Shaun of the Dead.

I HOPE that Primer is on that list but I'm just not sure if enough people have seen it. That sucks because its a great little film.
post #20 of 148
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Hard Candy? Not a chance. It will NOT age well.

I think Pan's, TWWB, Jesse James and Zodiac are all shoo-ins. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that one day Jackie Brown will rightly be hailed as the classic of Tarantino's career, zeitgeist be damned.
Zodiac honestly doesn't stand a chance and since when has 'of its time' precluded any film from the list. I think Hard Candy is edgy and cinematic enough to at least become a wild card.
post #21 of 148
I've got to think Brick will be a classic in its own right.
post #22 of 148
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Hard Candy? Not a chance. It will NOT age well.
The film basically uses and then inverts Little Red Riding Hood imagery and then features an extended torture sequence culminating in castration. What about that dates the film?
post #23 of 148
I don't see how Hard Candy has zero chance. It features a pair of absolutely magnificent performances, and a great performance doesn't age poorly.

Jackie Brown is a great call. Definitely my favorite Quentin film. Speaking of Quention, True Romance. Anyone think it has a chance? It's easily one of my favorite films.
post #24 of 148
GANGS OF NEW YORK-future classic, or dismissed like GODFATHER III

Suppose Wes Anderson will be appreciated in a Hal Ashby kind of way.

SKY CAPTAIN could turn out to be the next generation's ROCKETEER.

THE COOLER might have a FINGERS-like cult.

O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU?--kind of overlooked now, more famous for its soundtrack, and influence on grass roots musical revival-like its chances to grow into a classic, has a lot of heart.
post #25 of 148
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Zodiac honestly doesn't stand a chance
Don't see why you believe this. Surely in a decade's time, with the help of critical evaluation, people will recognize how well crafted it is. THE CONVERSATION wasn't exactly a blockbuster.
post #26 of 148
Kingdom of Heaven DC, people will see this and go 'Motherfucker! Fuck the studios! Fuck them hard." one of the best movies of the decade right there.
post #27 of 148
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SKY CAPTAIN could turn out to be the next generation's ROCKETEER.
I find this unlikely because The ROCKETEER was actually entertaining.
post #28 of 148
Zodiac will be a classic. Much in the same way Boogie Nights is a classic.
post #29 of 148
40 Year Old Virgin I think will become a classic, or at least lauded as the film that started the whole "Apatowian" movement in comedies.

Plus, even to this day, it's fucking hilarious.
post #30 of 148
Sadly, the best THE FOUNTAIN can hope for is an ALTERED STATES level cult.
post #31 of 148
I think Sexy Beast will certainly be a classic british crime movie.
post #32 of 148
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Don't see why you believe this. Surely in a decade's time, with the help of critical evaluation, people will recognize how well crafted it is. THE CONVERSATION wasn't exactly a blockbuster.
It just feels like that even amongst hardcore movie geeks the film was kind of forgotten.
post #33 of 148
Never seen that list before, but having Dreyer's "Ordet" at #37 put a smile on my face...easily one of the greatest films ever made.
As for future classics, "The Fountain"; which seems to get much deserved love among chewers.
My other picks 8that i can think of right now): "City of God", "Ghost Dog: The way of the samurai", "Iron Giant", Kusturica's "Underground", "City of Lost Children", "Tae Guk Gi" (The Brotherhood of war), "A tale of two sisters", Kurosawa's "Madadayo".
post #34 of 148
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Kingdom of Heaven DC, people will see this and go 'Motherfucker! Fuck the studios! Fuck them hard." one of the best movies of the decade right there.
Doc, I wish I could rep you so much right now...
post #35 of 148
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Zodiac will be a classic. Much in the same way Boogie Nights is a classic.
Except Boogie Nights had Oscar nominations and was a big DVD hit. Zodiac's been fighting for attention since its release.
post #36 of 148
Six months ago, I would've sworn by OPEN RANGE. Now I'm not so sure.
post #37 of 148
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Kingdom of Heaven DC, people will see this and go 'Motherfucker! Fuck the studios! Fuck them hard." one of the best movies of the decade right there.
It'll be one of those Once Upon a Time in America things. People who know movies will know Kingdom of Heaven as a classic thanks to a wonderful director's cut, but everyone else will scratch their heads and go "Okay, I guess..."

Ridley Scott shouldn't be allowed to do director's cuts anymore. Maybe that will finally force him to get it right the first time. I'm still waiting for the good version of A Good Year, Ridley!

As an aside, I want to point something out about KOH: I don't understand why Ridley didn't use the high-speed cameras for the slow-motion scenes in that movie. They do that choppy stilted thing that looks a little tacky. I use that in wedding videos because people won't notice and I'm using a shitty camera and they're not likely to pay attention to things like that. Unless he was editing around the score, which would make sense I guess.
post #38 of 148
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Except Boogie Nights had Oscar nominations and was a big DVD hit. Zodiac's been fighting for attention since its release.
I imagine in time it will be regarded as a classic much in the same way Blade Runner was. Even then, what does it matter? I think the movie is great no one disputes that. What does it matter if it gets a "classic" designation or not?
post #39 of 148
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It just feels like that even amongst hardcore movie geeks the film was kind of forgotten.
Since when has "forgetten" precluded any film from the list?
post #40 of 148
"Cache" and the original "Funny Games" by Michael Haneke will age quite well in my opinion.
Also, "36 Quai des Orfèvres" (Department 36) will be a classic in the near future, if im to judge.
post #41 of 148
Why "original Funny Games" specifically?
post #42 of 148
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Ridley Scott shouldn't be allowed to do director's cuts anymore. Maybe that will finally force him to get it right the first time.
It wasn't a case of Ridley "getting it right" the first time. The studio fucked it up, same as they did with BLADE RUNNER, same as they did with LEGEND.

ETA: Assuming you were being serious.
post #43 of 148
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Why "original Funny Games" specifically?
Just because it was the original...the american version is just as great, but I listed the original one just for the sake of its "original" status.
Id go with "Cache" over both, though, if i must choose.
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It wasn't a case of Ridley "getting it right" the first time. The studio fucked it up, same as they did with BLADE RUNNER, same as they did with LEGEND.

ETA: Assuming you were being serious.
In some alternate universe, Ridley Scott and Terry Gilliam never get fucked up by the studios...it would be a good universe to live in.
Except for "Tideland" still existing in it...no matter my love for the Gilliam, i still cant like it...at all.
post #45 of 148
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ETA: Assuming you were being serious.
Sort of. The Good Year joke was me poking fun. With KOH or Blade Runner, I know it's out of his hands. With Alien, nobody was asking for one - same with Gladiator or the inevitable Body of Lies unrated double-dip.

To be honest, I almost always enjoy his director's cuts tho. So whatever.
post #46 of 148
I know it gets no real love around here, but Titanic will be on this list. And, honestly, I think it deserves to be on there. Engaging, moving, grand old style film-making and something for everyone. And the soundtrack, while derivative, never fails to send a quiver down my spine.

Oh, and speaking of Kate Winslet nudity, Little Children.
post #47 of 148
Look for APOCALYPTO to age well.

CRANK I'm not so sure. (Unless there's a BRING ME THE HEAD OF ALFREDO GARCIA-like subtext I'm missing)
post #48 of 148
Have we mentioned The Lives Of Others yet? That rivals anything from the last twenty five years of film-making.
post #49 of 148
I think Spielberg's late career output will probably get some love in the form of Munich and possibly A.I. (at the very least; I really feel he's still got a few great popcorn flicks left in him).

Also, Brokeback Mountain will most certainly take it's well-deserved place among the classics, and not just because of Ledger's death.
post #50 of 148
The elephant in the room is THE DARK KNIGHT.

You know...the GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!
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