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post #51 of 148
8/7/08 at 5:47pm
Superbad will probably enjoy the same status as Ferris Bueller.

Hostel will be remembered well, I think.

Collateral, of course.


In the same way Die Hard changed the action genre, The Bourne films will as well, and already have.

Knocked Up will be remembered as a classic romantic comedy the same way When Harry Met Sally is.

Call me crazy, but I think Forgetting Sarah Marshart will also be remembered well.

Spider-Man 2

Moulin Rouge! will be considered a classic musical.

Gone, Baby, Gone is classic neo-noir

The Incredibles will be a classic.
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post #52 of 148
8/7/08 at 5:49pm
There is simply no way in hell Hostel is going to be on any classic lists, I'm sorry. It's not terrible, but it's far from even great.

Collateral is an awesome choice though. And I think Bourne Ultimatum may be the Bourne chosen to represent the trilogy.
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post #53 of 148
8/7/08 at 5:52pm
I came here way too late, and all my favorite picks have been chosen already. I'd really like to see Munich go down as a classic, and I'd really like to see the horror community give Land of the Dead a little more credit.


Also, not to derail, but considering how popular they are with the kids, I see the Star Wars Prequels gaining a lot of respectability in the next 30 years. They won't make the top 1000 (or even 2000) list for sure, but I really think they're going to be re-thought to a certain degree.
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post #54 of 148
8/7/08 at 5:52pm
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And I think Bourne Ultimatum may be the Bourne chosen to represent the trilogy.
I hope not. Just watched it again this morning, and while it's good, it doesn't hold up. I still think SUPREMACY is the best in the series.
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post #55 of 148
8/7/08 at 5:54pm
In ten years, there's gonna be douchebags on CHUD waxing nostalgic about the SAW franchise, like some do the FRIDAY the 13THs today. HOSTEL will be like the new TOURIST TRAP.

Since (unbelievably) DAY OF THE DEAD made the list, I'd say the future bodes well for the HILLS HAVE EYES remake.
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post #56 of 148
8/7/08 at 5:55pm
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Since DAY OF THE DEAD (unbelievably) made the list, I'd say the future bodes well for the HILLS HAVE EYES remake.
Wait, I don't get the logic here...
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post #57 of 148
8/7/08 at 6:00pm
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Wait, I don't get the logic here...
Case where what the filmmaker is slipping into the text is more interesting than the (flawed) film itself.
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post #58 of 148
8/7/08 at 6:03pm
As weird as it may sound, I don't know if The Dark Knight will hold up in five years. It's a good film, and I suppose it does have a sort of timeless quality to it, but once the hype dies down, I think there's a strong possibility that it'll be mostly forgotten.

Wes Anderson was mentioned earlier. I'm having a hard time thinking of what could be seen as his "definitive" film. The Royal Tenenbaums is likely, although I always thought Rushmore was a better film. Then again, I hear a lot of people associate his name with The Life Aquatic, though I'm not entirely sure why.

Also, I think Being John Malkovich will hold up pretty well. It's definitely weird enough.
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post #59 of 148
8/7/08 at 6:05pm
Tenenbaums is actually already on the list, but I wish Rushmore was instead (if we're only taking one).
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post #60 of 148
8/7/08 at 6:07pm
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As weird as it may sound, I don't know if The Dark Knight will hold up in five years.
If it didn't want to hold up in five years on account of its themes of freedom vs safety and the ends justifying the means a la surveillance because such things are so out of fashion and the people behind such criminality in the real world are brought to justice, thus turning TDK into a little slice of "man, we were really fucking stupid back then"...then I think that's something I can live with.
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post #61 of 148
8/7/08 at 6:12pm
I agree with whoever said Little Children. I actually think In the Bedroom will hold up too.
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post #62 of 148
8/7/08 at 6:21pm
What about the opposite, movies that will continue to fall out of public and critical favor? From a purely personal standpoint I don't have very much patience for Forest Gump or The Fifth Element, and I loved both films for years (even as an adult). I also see the flopping of Southland Tales, along with the ill-advised director's cut having a negative effect on the future of Donnie Darko.
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post #63 of 148
8/7/08 at 6:24pm
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What about the opposite, movies that will continue to fall out of public and critical favor? From a purely personal standpoint I don't have very much patience for Forest Gump or The Fifth Element, and I loved both films for years (even as an adult). I also see the flopping of Southland Tales, along with the ill-advised director's cut having a negative effect on the future of Donnie Darko.
First two that come to mind are BRAVEHEART & AMERICAN HISTORY X

How far PURPLE RAIN has tumbled? 1000 movies better? Whatever. (I blame the failing of GRAFFITI BRIDGE)
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post #64 of 148
8/7/08 at 6:25pm
Those are perfect choices. Both DVDs I got rid of in the last few years.
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post #65 of 148
8/7/08 at 7:00pm
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Did someone seriously say 36? Because that is a film I hated with my very being when I watched it. I think Haneke will have some representation in future lists but it'll either be for his political stuff in Cache or the sheer shock of the Piano Teacher.
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post #66 of 148
8/7/08 at 7:23pm
No love for The Aviator? Or dare I say it, Gladiator? Can't forget City of God.
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post #67 of 148
8/7/08 at 7:25pm
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What about the opposite, movies that will continue to fall out of public and critical favor? From a purely personal standpoint I don't have very much patience for Forest Gump or The Fifth Element, and I loved both films for years (even as an adult). I also see the flopping of Southland Tales, along with the ill-advised director's cut having a negative effect on the future of Donnie Darko.
Unless Diablo Cody shows that she's more than a one-hit wonder, Juno is going to fall and fall fast. I suppose the question is if today's teenagers treat it as their generation's, I dunno, The Breakfast Club or something, thus letting it live on as a cult film twenty years later.
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post #68 of 148
8/7/08 at 7:32pm
Brick is a brilliant film and a rare case of a modern noir. In twenty years, it will be essential material in film classes. Also, Collateral.
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post #69 of 148
8/7/08 at 7:35pm
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Brick is a brilliant film and a rare case of a modern noir. In twenty years, it will be essential material in film classes..
Give me a break! Let's not oversell it.
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post #70 of 148
8/7/08 at 7:53pm
As far as current science fiction being remembered well. My money's on Minority Report, WALL-E, The Matrix, Children of Men, and I'd even go as far to say A.I. I think early 90s isn't quite considered classic so I'll throw Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park in there.

I wanted to say 28 Days Later, Sunshine, and Unbreakable, but I'll be realistic.

Serenity and Equilibrium aren't good, shut up.
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post #71 of 148
8/7/08 at 7:59pm
I think OCEAN'S TWELVE will become regarded as, if not an all-time classic, then at least a really fun novelty that most people didn't "get" at the time. Say, 40 years from now. If the exact same movie had been made in 1969, there'd be a definite cult for it today. Like THE ITALIAN JOB.

At least, it'll hold up better than ELEVEN and THIRTEEN.
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post #72 of 148
8/7/08 at 8:10pm
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What about the opposite, movies that will continue to fall out of public and critical favor? From a purely personal standpoint I don't have very much patience for Forest Gump or The Fifth Element, and I loved both films for years (even as an adult). I also see the flopping of Southland Tales, along with the ill-advised director's cut having a negative effect on the future of Donnie Darko.
Is The 5th Element really falling out of favor? I didn't really like when I first saw it but love it now(granted I haven't watched it for 3 years, but that's only cause I watched it too much).
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post #73 of 148
8/7/08 at 8:16pm
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As far as current science fiction being remembered well. My money's on Minority Report, WALL-E, The Matrix, Children of Men, and I'd even go as far to say A.I. I think early 90s isn't quite considered classic so I'll throw Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park in there.

I wanted to say 28 Days Later, Sunshine, and Unbreakable, but I'll be realistic.

Serenity and Equilibrium aren't good, shut up.
Serenity is good. Not a future classic, but come on.

I think 28 Days Later's stock will improve with time, once we gain distance from the sequel and from the decade's glut of zombie films.

edit: of this whole thread, Brick and United 93 are the winners. At least they are in my heart.
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post #74 of 148
8/7/08 at 8:21pm
I don't see why Hard Candy is all that well regarded today, when Ellen Page's performance (go back and actually watch it) is already not a great selling point, let alone when we've had ten years' worth of her. Its an okay film, with a fairly pedestrian take on murky moral waters. Patrick Wilson is awesome, and will likely remain the rewatchability factor. But anything else? Of its time and little more.

Ocean's 12, The Matrix and City of God are good shouts. 36? Again, pedestrian at best. Just cos its got subtitles and squibs, doesn't make it that much greater than a lot of bog-standard thrillers out of the US.
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post #75 of 148
8/7/08 at 8:26pm
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Is The 5th Element really falling out of favor? I didn't really like when I first saw it but love it now(granted I haven't watched it for 3 years, but that's only cause I watched it too much).
I'm not sure, I'm just using myself as a borameter.
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post #76 of 148
8/7/08 at 8:34pm
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I don't think The Fifth Element has ever been in favour, doesn't stop me loving it to bits but it kind of precludes it from the discussion.
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post #77 of 148
8/7/08 at 8:39pm
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As weird as it may sound, I don't know if The Dark Knight will hold up in five years.
Hold up as what? It was never going to be a masterpiece, but I doubt any other superhero film will be dethroning it for awhile.
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post #78 of 148
8/7/08 at 8:45pm
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I think OCEAN'S TWELVE will become regarded as, if not an all-time classic, then at least a really fun novelty that most people didn't "get" at the time.
I so, so hope you're right, but I really don't think so. I think it's just that weird anomaly, one of those movies a small, select group of people love like crazy for reasons that are in no way geeky or cultish or apologetic, and yet the rest of the world, casual and serious film fan alike, will just never get it. I fear Speed Racer will fall the same way. The Fountain might have a shot at recognition, but it's no slam-dunk.

There's a thread right there: films you think legitimately deserve to be respected classics, but you know probably never will be.

Bah, I'm sure we've already had that thread.
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post #79 of 148
8/7/08 at 9:15pm
I know that it isn't exactly loved around here but I think Almost Famous will be considered a classic. Oldboy, There Will Be Blood, for sure. Hopefully Election won't be forgotten.
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post #80 of 148
8/7/08 at 9:17pm
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Hopefully Election won't be forgotten.
Guy gets pushed down a hill in a wardrobe election or Reese Witherspoon destroys Ferris Bueller's life Election?
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post #81 of 148
8/7/08 at 9:30pm
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What about the opposite, movies that will continue to fall out of public and critical favor? ...I also see the flopping of Southland Tales, along with the ill-advised director's cut having a negative effect on the future of Donnie Darko.
Abso-friggin-lutely
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post #82 of 148
8/7/08 at 9:47pm
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Is The 5th Element really falling out of favor? I didn't really like when I first saw it but love it now(granted I haven't watched it for 3 years, but that's only cause I watched it too much).
I just love The Fifth Element as well.
I'll also put Dark City into that list.
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post #83 of 148
8/7/08 at 9:58pm
HISTORY OF VIOLENCE and THE INSIDER. Oh, and RAMBO.
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post #84 of 148
8/7/08 at 9:58pm
Before we start crowning SUPERBAD the new Bueller, let's remember how fast and hard Kevin Smith fell. Ten yrs ago, it felt safe to call CLERKS & even CHASING AMY "new" classics. Now? No.
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post #85 of 148
8/7/08 at 10:00pm
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HISTORY OF VIOLENCE and THE INSIDER. Oh, and RAMBO.
I'll agree with a History of Violence. Rambo would probably get circumvented by the 'deeper' First Blood.
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post #86 of 148
8/7/08 at 10:11pm
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I'll agree with a History of Violence. Rambo would probably get circumvented by the 'deeper' First Blood.
FIRST BLOOD seems to already be thought of as a classic action film, mainly because it has more going for it than just action.

In the case of RAMBO it's just such a different sort of movie than almost everything else that has been done in the genre over the last 10 years. It's an insane film yet at the same time is so straight-forward and matter of fact. It's jarring in that regard.
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post #87 of 148
8/7/08 at 10:11pm
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I fear Speed Racer will fall the same way.
Don't count out SPEED RACER. I think in thirty years it's going to be seen in a whole different light. The Paul's Boutique of anime-to-live-action adaptations.

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Hopefully Election won't be forgotten.
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Guy gets pushed down a hill in a wardrobe election or Reese Witherspoon destroys Ferris Bueller's life Election?
Hopefully both ELECTIONs, in all probability Johnnie To's.

Another future classic - Pang Ho-cheung's EXODUS. That's going to age very well indeed.

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There's a thread right there: films you think legitimately deserve to be respected classics, but you know probably never will be.
We already have a FREDDY GOT FINGERED thread.
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post #88 of 148
8/7/08 at 10:28pm
I was thinking the Payne Election, having never seen To's. I guess that's one more film to add to my ever increasing "to watch" list.
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post #89 of 148
8/7/08 at 10:37pm
Did we miss High Fidelity? Also, a dark horse, Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer.
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post #90 of 148
8/7/08 at 11:05pm
Henry is still criminally underseen. I certainly think it deserves elevated status. I honestly think Superbad will not stand the test of time, but then again I was one of two people who didn't find it all that funny to begin with. Well acted, well written, but but not all that funny. Sorry. Hot Rod on the other hand...

Speaking of things that you find grating in otherwise good movies, the alcohol tainted with laundry detergent in Superbad. In my version the whole school would have gotten sick that night and Jonah Hill would've been arrested.

In fifty years, stuffy critics in suits will be on TV asking why WAY OF THE GUN wasn't well recieved when it came out. Then they will find all my message board admiration of that wonderful underrated movie and I will be proclaimed a genius, a hero of my generation.

Also, PITCH BLACK. And SKY CAPTAIN. Fuck you all, that thing is great.

Of course, I also think UHF is the greatest movie ever made. At least the greatest Weird Al takes over a television station movie ever made.
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post #91 of 148
8/7/08 at 11:09pm
I think I saw it mentioned above but there will be a time when the lack of attention paid to United 93 will turn around.
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post #92 of 148
8/7/08 at 11:15pm
There are some damn good choices going on here. And some obvious ones.
My own picks would be (and I don't think I've seen them mentioned) Sympathy for Lady Vengeance and Before the Devil Knows You're Dead. Both are rock solid for what they set out to achieve and both are pretty fucking great.
IBefore the Devil Knows You're Dead could especially use the love. That film, for me, has Zodiac levels of non-love.
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post #93 of 148
8/7/08 at 11:17pm
Indeed, UHF is a masterpiece.
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post #94 of 148
8/7/08 at 11:21pm
I don't remember seeing it above, but I think MIAMI VICE will be looked upon fondly. In the future. Because that's where we will be spending the rest of our lives. In the future.

On the flip side, I'm not so sure about COLLATERAL. I think that third act might hamper it, but maybe I'm just projecting my thoughts on the thing.
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post #95 of 148
8/7/08 at 11:21pm
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In fifty years, stuffy critics in suits will be on TV asking why WAY OF THE GUN wasn't well recieved when it came out. Then they will find all my message board admiration of that wonderful underrated movie and I will be proclaimed a genius, a hero of my generation.

Indeed sir, indeed.
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post #96 of 148
8/8/08 at 3:15am
Don't mind me I'm just namedropping films: The Proposition, Letters from Iwo Jima, Punch Drunk Love, Hero (Ying Xiong).
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post #97 of 148
8/8/08 at 3:17am
Is it wishful thinking to hope Galaxy Quest is remembered well? I still find it as great as I did the first time I saw it.

Oh, and Lost in Translation.

I really want Frankenheimer's Ronin to be remembered.

In the same vein, Spartan should be considered one of Mamet's best movies.
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post #98 of 148
8/8/08 at 3:18am
I know that the people who like The Proposition, really like it and that it was on a lot of shortlists for modern classics.

It stands to note though that seeing as how it hasn't been mentioned already tells me it didn't make that much of an impact on folks. I think it's great, but I'm not freaking out about how much credit it's not getting. Hopefully The Road will make a bigger (or better) mark since I think there's a lot of talent on display.

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Before we start crowning SUPERBAD the new Bueller, let's remember how fast and hard Kevin Smith fell. Ten yrs ago, it felt safe to call CLERKS & even CHASING AMY "new" classics. Now? No.
Some might argue that calling anything the new Bueller is a bad thing. Not me, I like it well enough. Sure, Ferris is a sociopath who at the end of the day only gets patted on the back for doing everything wrong. Doesn't bother me though.

I never really fell for Clerks. I like Chasing Amy a lot though - maybe I'm alone on that.
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post #99 of 148
8/8/08 at 3:18am
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In the same vein, Spartan should be
considered one of Mamet's best movies.
Yes.
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post #100 of 148
8/8/08 at 3:20am
Double yes.
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