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post #101 of 113
8/26/08 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Kosovo was under the Clinton administration.
This needs to be a banner at the top of all Russia/Georgia discussions. I can't count how many times I've read "Bush administration and Kosovo!" on the web since the Georgian incident started.
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post #102 of 113
8/27/08 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Sorry Snaike but Dammit....They're zombies! God damned ZOMBIES. You want mutants look at Troma. Sorry, but that shit get my hackles up every time.

And while we're at it, the folks in 28 DAYS LATER are not zombies....they're infected! Alive and INfuckinFECTED!

You want to see mutants...here's some for you on the rampage in Denver.
DAMNIT! I meant Troma because the guy looked like the Toxic Avenger.



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post #103 of 113
8/27/08 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
The big difference is the ethnic cleansing. Let's not forget Milosevic so quickly.
Exactly. Hence my original commentary.

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
If the last five years of world events has taught me anything, it's that the very concept of 'international law' means exactly two things - jack and shit.

International law is what the countries that don't have the power to do what they want are expected to conform to.
Sad but true. But that doesn´t mean one should discard this concept and its amazing evolution just because it doesn´t work. Yet.
Mankind has made amazing progress in this field after WW2. In merely 60 years we implemented a charter of Human Rights that lead eventually to the founding of the International Court of Justice. We had Tribunals for Ruanda and Former Yuguslavia. These are watersheds that must not be overturned. At the end of the day we all live in a globalised world. Me can moan about it and retract ourselves from public discourse or we can try to work on frameworks for this historical unique situation. And international law is trying to achieve exactly that. To what end? I don´t know. But there are efforts on all fields of politics. ICJ, Kyoto or the Dohar-Round as broad examples. Do we fuck it up more often than not? Hell yeah. But what would be the alternative?
Surely enough these concepts are far from perfect but it is a cause worth fighting for.

And therefore I deem it mandatory to at least consider the ramifications of international law on a crisis like this. Regardless of its actual impact or being jackshit or not. Conscious matters. [Idealism: Off]

And back on the subject: Next stop the Krim and Ukraine?
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post #104 of 113
8/27/08 at 10:49am
I'm not sure why this thread has become "How Bush Screwed This Up!". What's he done wrong in this instance? He's used strong rhetoric. I think in this case it's appropriate. And if this happened a year from now when Obama's in office, he'd be saying the exact same things. Any President would.
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post #105 of 113
8/27/08 at 1:48pm
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Why was Cheney's guy in Georgia before the war?

Cheney aide was in Georgia before war began What was a top national security aide to Vice President Dick Cheney doing in Georgia shortly before Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili's troops engaged in what became a disastrous fight with South Ossetian rebels -- and then Russian troops?

Not, according to the vice president's office, what you might think -- if your thinking takes you into the realm of Cheney giving his blessing to the Georgian's military operation.

To be sure, Cheney has been a leader of the hardliners in the administration when it comes to standing up to Russia -- to the point that the man who ran the Pentagon as the Cold War came to an end during the administration of the first President Bush has been seen as ready to renew that face-off with Moscow.

It was Cheney who visited the Georgian embassy in Washington last week to sign a remembrance book as a demonstration of the administration's support.
More here.
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post #106 of 113
8/28/08 at 2:57pm
While the US media has painted this as an aggressive invasion of Georgia by Russia, Putin sees it as a U.S.-encouraged act of political theater designed to benefit "a political candidate" [read: McCain] that resulted in the deaths of thousands and increased tensions around the world...

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In an exclusive interview with CNN's Matthew Chance in the Black Sea city of Sochi Thursday, Putin said the U.S. had encouraged Georgia to attack the autonomous region of South Ossetia.

Putin told CNN his defense officials had told him it was done to benefit a presidential candidate -- Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are competing to succeed George W. Bush -- although he presented no evidence to back it up.

"U.S. citizens were indeed in the area in conflict," Putin said. "They were acting in implementing those orders doing as they were ordered, and the only one who can give such orders is their leader." Video Watch Putin accuse the United States »

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino blasted Putin's statements, saying they were "patently false."

"To suggest that the United States orchestrated this on behalf of a political candidate just sounds not rational," she said.

U.S. State Department deputy spokesman Robert Wood concurred, and labeled Putin's statements as "ludicrous."

"Russia is responsible for the crisis," Wood said in an off-camera meeting with reporters in Washington on Thursday. "For the Russians to say they are not responsible for what happened in Georgia is ludicrous. ... Russia is to blame for this crisis and the world is responding to what Russia has done."

When told that many diplomats in the United States and Europe blame Russia for provoking the conflict and for invading Georgia, Putin said Russia had no choice but to invade Georgia after dozens of its peacekeepers in South Ossetia were killed. He told Chance it was to avert a human calamity. iReport.com: First-person accounts from the center of the conflict

The former Russian president, still considered the most powerful man in the country, said he was disappointed the U.S. had not done more to stop Georgia's attack.

Putin recalled he was watching the situation in Georgia and South Ossetia unfold when he was at the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympic Games on August 8.

He said he spoke to U.S. President George W. Bush, also attending, who told the Russian prime minister he didn't want war -- but Putin spoke to CNN of his disappointment that the U.S. administration didn't do more to stop Georgia early in the conflict.
More at CNN.
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post #107 of 113
8/28/08 at 3:08pm
And his evidence is.....wait, he doesn't have any?
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post #108 of 113
8/28/08 at 3:26pm
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post #109 of 113
8/31/08 at 12:15am
Kremlin announces that South Ossetia will join 'one united Russian state'

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The Kremlin moved swiftly to tighten its grip on Georgia’s breakaway regions yesterday as South Ossetia announced that it would soon become part of Russia, which will open military bases in the province under an agreement to be signed on Tuesday.

Tarzan Kokoity, the province’s Deputy Speaker of parliament, announced that South Ossetia would be absorbed into Russia soon so that its people could live in “one united Russian state” with their ethnic kin in North Ossetia.
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post #110 of 113
8/31/08 at 7:04pm
And that, friends, is what a no-shit war of conquest looks like.
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post #111 of 113
9/1/08 at 1:13am
Meanwhile, O.S.C.E. observer reports claiming that the whole mess in the Caucasus was Georgia's doing were leaked to Spiegel magazine (probably by the German government to spite the US). I'd love to see if and when US and UK media will decide to give this a mention. Google says: Not likely.

I guess journalism isn't as appealing as cold war rhetoric.
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post #112 of 113
9/1/08 at 10:00pm
Fearless leader shoots moose, squirrel and... tiger.

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Russian PM Putin shoots a tiger


He's driven a big truck, flown in a Russian fighter jet and fished shirtless on national television. Now comes Vladimir Putin's latest image-boosting escapade, a visit to a Russian wildlife preserve that gave him the chance to wear camouflage, stalk through the woods and shoot a tiger - all for a good cause.

Russia's state-run television showed footage Monday of the tough-talking prime minister's visit to the Far East, home of the rare Ussuri tiger.

Russian media reports said Putin aided a program to track the tigers by subduing a cat that escaped from a restraint.

Armed with a tranquiliser gun, Putin shot at the five-year-old female tiger, which soon slumped to the ground.

Russian media hailed the prime minister's efforts as heroic.

"He immediately fired from a special gun which scientists use to immobilise animals, and hit the tigress in its shoulder blade," according to one reporter quoted in Britain's Daily Mail.

"The tigress was immediately sedated."

Televised footage showed Putin, deep in the woods, placing a collar with a tracking device around the knocked-out tiger's neck and patting its cheek like a pet. "She'll remember us," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/russi...0902-47cn.html
ahhhh... the more things change...

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post #113 of 113
9/1/08 at 10:18pm
In west you take weekend in country...
In New Soviet Union we take country in weekend.

Soon we do to fat decadent west what we do to animals. Your leaders will be heads on wall in den.

Rossiya svyashchennaya nasha derzhava,
Rossiya lyubimaya nasha strana.
Moguchaya volya, velikaya slava
Tvoyo dostoyanye na vse vremena!
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