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Robert Kirkman's mission to "save the entire comic industry"

post #1 of 29
8/20/08 at 2:42pm
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Just wanted to get people's thoughts on last week's video posted on Comic Book Resources with Robert Kirkman (Walking Dead, Invincible). Basicallly, Kirkman gives his thoughts on what creators and companies should do to keep the industry alive. It's generating buzz on comic message boards with people for and others against his statements.

Here's the link

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=17705
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post #2 of 29
8/20/08 at 3:58pm
Would saving the comic industry include having one of the worst runs on Ultimate X-Men, which, considering some of the stuff that came before, is saying a lot?
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post #3 of 29
8/20/08 at 4:14pm
The guy has been made partner in Image Comics. What a shock that he'd try to draw big names away from DC and Marvel.
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post #4 of 29
8/20/08 at 4:32pm
Walking Dead is pretty terrible.
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post #5 of 29
8/20/08 at 4:50pm
I can tell you what would save the entire industry in just three words-
More. Foil. Covers.
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post #6 of 29
8/20/08 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Tieman View Post
Walking Dead is pretty terrible.

Really? I've enjoyed it so far. I mean there has definitely been some missteps, but the first 20 issues or so were pretty awesome IMO. But then again, I'm a zombie whore. And I can admit that clouds my judgment. But I dig his work on Invincible. And I second the notion for more foil covers.
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post #7 of 29
8/20/08 at 5:06pm
Well... considering that the big names at Marvel and DC are in the process of or will soon be in the process of burning out and churning out increasingly unreadable crap then I would say its a good idea to move on before that happens.

Though at this point I would agrue that the comic book industry doesn't deserve salvation.
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post #8 of 29
8/20/08 at 5:07pm
I'm trying to remember how many issues are in each TPB, so you may still be reading before the wheels come off the wagon.
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post #9 of 29
8/20/08 at 5:12pm
Marvel revealed their own industry saving plan today

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post #10 of 29
8/20/08 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by Tieman View Post
I'm trying to remember how many issues are in each TPB, so you may still be reading before the wheels come off the wagon.
If this was in regards to me, I'm already caught up to the newest issue, 51, and I still enjoy it. It's not high art, but it keeps me entertained.
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post #11 of 29
8/20/08 at 5:51pm
Really? Because The Governor's death was pretty damn terrible, as were a bunch of the others. I know it's "war" and death happens quick and all that, but still. Plus a bunch of issues of them standing around waiting for something to happen, and then being surprised when they actually DO get attacked...

Rambling here, but for me, the ball was dropped when, after escaping The Governor, they return to the prison only to find it overrun with zombies. This was a great cliffhanger and a real chance to shake things up, but instead, WITHIN THE NEXT ISSUE, all things return back to normal. Just...ugh, I'm sorry, it used to be pretty damn good.
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post #12 of 29
8/20/08 at 6:07pm
Thank you Sid. You explanation skills are superior to mine. I pretty much agree and feel the same way. Lots of potential up front that was pissed away in later issues.
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post #13 of 29
8/20/08 at 6:09pm
I dunno, the last 2 issues have me intrigued on where he's going to go with it. Almost like starting over. But like I said, I'm a zombie whore. That and this is the only comic I buy in issues. Not a big deal to me. Would love this to be a HBO weekly show. Now that could be something.
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post #14 of 29
8/20/08 at 6:19pm
This is a pretty lousy plan.

Step 1: Do what the Image guys did in the 90's.

Step 2: Marvel and DC should make better comics.

Ugh. Yeah, let's have more garbage from Image, the company that put out Youngblood.

I particularly loved this:

" Books that would appeal to everyone still reading comics, but would also appeal to the average 13 year old too. "

Oh, is that all. Good luck.

But we do need more foil covers.
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post #15 of 29
8/20/08 at 6:26pm
Robert Kirkman is terrible.
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post #16 of 29
8/20/08 at 7:22pm
He's going to be at my shop in a couple of months signing with Arthur Suydam, I'll pass the message Nick.
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post #17 of 29
8/22/08 at 8:29am
I read an interview with Kirkman where at one point he said "I grew up reading Alan Moore's Supreme". And then I voided.

Doesn't exactly reflect poorly on Kirkman, but good God I'm an old man.

I do find the amount of buzz in the industry concerning Kirkman's manifesto kind of puzzling, but that's probably because from the alternative comics point-of-view all of his opinions and points have already been discussed to death over the last fifteen years.
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post #18 of 29
8/22/08 at 10:44am
Here's a link to the audio interview with Brian Michael Bendis in which he discusses Kirkman's manifesto (and specifically Kirkman's mention of Bendis), which is actually pretty well worded and makes a lot of sense:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/wordba...sonkirkman.mp3

The jinxworld forum where the above link comes from, in case you want that, is here: http://www.606studios.com/bendisboar...d.php?t=159938
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post #19 of 29
8/22/08 at 3:32pm
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He's going to be at my shop in a couple of months signing with Arthur Suydam, I'll pass the message Nick.
Can you please tell Arthur Suydam to stop making those damn zombie covers. Enough already.
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post #20 of 29
8/22/08 at 3:34pm
WALKING DEAD is terrible. I can't tell the characters apart half the time and they all speak in endless exposition only.
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post #21 of 29
8/22/08 at 4:18pm
Marvel has to realize that not every comic needs a zombie cover variant.

I haven't checked out Walking Dead, but I enjoy Invincible and the Astounding Wolf-Man. But some of his other works I've read have been really hit-or-miss.
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post #22 of 29
8/22/08 at 5:26pm
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WALKING DEAD is terrible. I can't tell the characters apart half the time and they all speak in endless exposition only.
He killed the majority of them recently. Happy?
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post #23 of 29
8/22/08 at 5:27pm
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Marvel has to realize that not every comic needs a zombie cover variant.
That's ridiculous. Every comic also needs a Skrull variant and Ape variant cover.
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post #24 of 29
8/22/08 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post
Robert Kirkman is terrible.
Have you read Invincible yet? I love it.
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post #25 of 29
8/22/08 at 9:00pm
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Thank you Sid. You explanation skills are superior to mine.
Seriously?
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post #26 of 29
8/22/08 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
WALKING DEAD is terrible. I can't tell the characters apart half the time and they all speak in endless exposition only.
This is true.

Invincible has the same problem with too much exposition but I think that sort of lends itself to a superhero comic.
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post #27 of 29
8/25/08 at 2:15am
Don't know anything about Kirkman. The only thing I've read of his is the first collection of Invincible, which isn't without its charms, but it seems like a deliberately simple, slightly generic kid's comic. Except, as I understand it, it gets really bloody and violent later on. So it's fallen into exactly the same trap as the Marvel and DC stuff. Good job.

As for the manifesto, he seems to take a lot of time to say very little. What he does say seems manifestly obvious. So I'm not getting the controversy. Or is it just the usual thing where geeks freak out as soon as someone suggests something that might negatively affect these huge corporations that provide their comics?
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post #28 of 29
8/25/08 at 9:08am
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As for the manifesto, he seems to take a lot of time to say very little. What he does say seems manifestly obvious. So I'm not getting the controversy. Or is it just the usual thing where geeks freak out as soon as someone suggests something that might negatively affect these huge corporations that provide their comics?
Nail on the head as far as I'm concerned.
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post #29 of 29
9/9/08 at 9:31pm
Didn't know there was so much hate for Walking Dead. I've enjoyed it quite a bit. I agree that they were in the prison for about 5 issues too long though.
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