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post #1 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:27pm
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/16...-ME/Page1.html
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post #2 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:38pm
Sweet cat-eating Christ, that poster is awful. Catwoman looks like a transsexual Nite Owl. With cancer.
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post #3 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:41pm
Good article, not as venomous as expected. 'S funny, because I keep hearing people fretting over the status of the Watchmen and you all but said what I've been telling people.

Oh and, yes, that poster is embarrassing.
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post #4 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:42pm
That poster is an argument for the criminalization of photoshop.
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post #5 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:45pm
It's a bad poster but the guy IS pretty good with an airbrush. And I'm not entirely sure that background is from an existing poster but I could be wrong on that.
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post #6 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:45pm
"I'm sure there's a love story attached."

Wow. I don't even know what to say. We should probably go burn all the remaining reels of Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will while we're at it. I mean, we wouldn't want our children to get the wrong idea or anything!
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post #7 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:46pm
Jesus. Awful, awful posters. The Riddler's specifically is embarrassing.

Not worried about Watchmen's release.

That Breakfast At Tiffany's situation is frustrating. Fucking up a situation like that is such a waste of an opportunity to educate some people. God knows, they've probably got The Jazz Singer and Song of the South lined up next.
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post #8 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:53pm
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If any of you guys have seen interesting fanboy discussion of TDK, link it here. I'd like to read it.
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post #9 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:54pm
I apologise for posting in the Batman 3 Speculation Thread. The thing is that with that adrenaline rush you get after seeing the movie the first time you kind of start thinking about what you want to see in the sequel and it's easy to get swept up in the fanwankery.

The people clamouring for a new Batman film and not even appreciating the Dark Knight are exceptionally irritating but I'm having trouble thinking about what deep and meaningful discussions you could have about it. I mean it tries to take the superhero film to some interesting places, but it's about as clumsy as Haggis's Crash in getting its message across.
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post #10 of 248
8/22/08 at 7:54pm
Great. I looked at those posters and now need to take a wet-nap to my eyes, and the Breakfast at Tiffany's thing is patently absurd. Now I hate the internet again.

EDIT: Yeah, I haven't heard any really interesting conversation about TDK. It's all been speculative fanwank, really. I even had to listen to a guy at the barbershop prattle on and on back-to-back to two different barbers about it - nothing in-depth and interesting, just arguing over whether or not Dent was dead and how he really liked Sharon Stone's turn as Catwoman in Batman Returns. They really shouldn't keep straight razors in such close proximity to annoying hipsters.
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post #11 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I apologise for posting in the Batman 3 Speculation Thread. The thing is that with that adrenaline rush you get after seeing the movie the first time you kind of start thinking about what you want to see in the sequel and it's easy to get swept up in the fanwankery.

The people clamouring for a new Batman film and not even appreciating the Dark Knight are exceptionally irritating but I'm having trouble thinking about what deep and meaningful discussions you could have about it. I mean it tries to take the superhero film to some interesting places, but it's about as clumsy as Haggis's Crash in getting its message across.

While not "deep", I do think that the notion of whether or not Gotham needed Batman is an interesting topic of conversation. Arguably, he necessitates his own continued existence through a series of fuckups and bad decisions which is an interesting angle for a superhero movie.

But, as has been said, it's all really sort of telegraphed
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post #12 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:00pm
I kind of like the Kirstin Bell one, I mean it sucks, but I kind of like it.

edit: The posters are horrible, and indicative of a complete misunderstanding of what Nolan's Batverse is.

Yeah, the Mayor is an idiot and never watched the movie.
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post #13 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:03pm
That guy may have hands down killed any and all love I might have had for Kristen Bell. The balls on that guy...

Also... the mayor in that Breakfast at Tiffany's story is a fucking idiot.
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post #14 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:08pm
Holy Fucking Bad.
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post #15 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:08pm
That portion about Breakfast at Tiffany's makes me want to apologize on behalf of my kind, but I'm not one to lump myself in with that brand of idiocy. Sounds just like the BS that happened with the NAACP preventing Birth of a Nation from being presented properly.

As for The Dark Knight, as much blather there was about the third movie, some of it actually came out of discussing the new status quo that ends TDK. I think that counts as valid discussion of the film itself.

EDIT: I wonder if that deviantart guy's gonna send you a strongly worded e-mail...
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post #16 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:11pm
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I don't know... the guy has some talent. The Wonder Woman one is actually pretty nice.

EDIT: "The Dark Knightess" is pretty fucking hilarious though.
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post #17 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:12pm
I think I'm going to have to tune myself out from everything to do with Watchmen. You guys made me realise how stupid my dismissal of Snyder actually was and since then I've been really fucking positive about the film. The people grumbling about a theory that it might be PG-13, the online petitions for a 3 hour cut of the film and all this legal wrangling are already making me sick of the film and it's still like eight months from release.
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post #18 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:12pm
Cutting Rooney out of Breakfast at Tiffany's is like cutting Beatrice Lillie out of Thoroughly Modern Millie.

Yes they're both racist but they're kind of important to the film. You can't white wash over this. Approach it and understand it and don't repeat it...don't cut it and hope people still like Hepburn doing a piss poor job singing. (I flipping hate Breakfast at Tiffany's but that's because half the girls I knew in college wanted to be Holly Golightly.)

And it's strange but I really haven't heard or had many discussions about Dark Knight. Sure there are the long conversations about Ledger and how great his performance was and how he nailed the randomness that makes Joker such a scary dude, but apart from that it's been maybe one or two discussions about the very obvious cutting of Barbara Gordon (future Batgirl) from the film. Anyone else notice how far they go to avoid showing Gordon's daughter's face. It is actually kind of distracting during the final scene between the Gordons and Two Face.
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post #19 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:19pm
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I don't know... the guy has some talent.
And yet he uses it to do nothing but DC fan art.
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post #20 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
And yet he uses it to do nothing but DC fan art.
To all his own, I guess.
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post #21 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I apologise for posting in the Batman 3 Speculation Thread.
What the fuck?

Who are you you apologizing to, exactly? And why?

Wow.
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post #22 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:33pm
That's a terrible poster. Yeesh. David Tennant? Wha huh?
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post #23 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:35pm
Well, if you want a distinct perspective on a movie there's always the madness brewing on the objectivist forum: The Dark Knight.
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post #24 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:40pm
The main things I have found fascinating about Dark Knight is that it has thematic consistently on levels that are not immediately obvious, which is rare in a blockbuster.
Hardly great film, yes, but there's some room for analysis there.
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post #25 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:40pm
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there's always the madness brewing on the objectivist forum
This stuff is gold, Jerry! Gold!
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post #26 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by Jack Dnim View Post
Well, if you want a distinct perspective on a movie there's always the madness brewing on the objectivist forum: The Dark Knight.
I'd rather jerk off with a cheese grater than even hover my cursor over a URL containing the word "objectivism".
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post #27 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:41pm
This is pretty cool. I don't even know who Harley Quinn is, but as a piece of artwork in Photoshop it's great.
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post #28 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
This is pretty cool. I don't even know who Harley Quinn is, but as a piece of artwork in Photoshop it's great.
Oh snap!

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This was going to be an April Fool's gag but I chickened out at the last minute. I had an elaborate plan which involved getting several comic and film websites to help out with the hoax and post this claiming to be a leaked still from The Dark Knight with info from a WB 'insider' detailing that the Harley Quinn cameo was the big twist in the films end and that Kristen Bell was only on set for one day as she only had 2 scenes to shoot. The beauty part would have been that as Australia gets April Fools Day first, it would have been posted March 31 US time, so suspicion would have been minimal. Alas, the fear of a world wide backlash stopped me from going through with it.
Global p0wnage avoided!
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post #29 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:43pm
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I don't know... the guy has some talent. The Wonder Woman one is actually pretty nice.

EDIT: "The Dark Knightess" is pretty fucking hilarious though.
Yeah but apparently in his world Wonder Woman is going to be played by Cher.
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post #30 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:45pm
Related, Breakfast at Tiffany's is showing at the Plaza in Atlanta this Wednesday evening. I've never seen the film, and I'm hoping to catch it there, presumably intact.
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post #31 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:45pm
This shit should be where it belongs: Somethingawful's Photoshop Phridays.
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post #32 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:47pm
I thought I had an interesting blog about TDK, then I went back and reread it. Um, no.
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post #33 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:51pm
I sometimes think that the only reason objectivism gets such a hard time around here is because its following is the only group more elitist and aloof than so many (not all) of the posters here.
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post #34 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:52pm
Let's not go down that road.
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post #35 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:55pm
Jeff Portnoy for penguin.
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post #36 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:55pm
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I love how he brags that these took "18 months" and some of them still look like crap.
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post #37 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:55pm
From the Objectivist thread:

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The Joker's character may just be the greatest presentation of the essence of evil ever filmed. (That is was acted by a real life nihilist didn't hurt either).
Ledger was a nihilist?

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The line of dialogue that went something like, "Sometimes, faith must be rewarded," bothered me. No, Nolan, it really shouldn't.
Ah, that's the kind of discussion I expected.

EDIT: And then this: Post #20
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post #38 of 248
8/22/08 at 8:59pm
No he wasn't. As always the objectivist misses the point entirely.
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post #39 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:19pm
http://joshwmc.deviantart.com/art/Wo...Still-82910968
that has to take the prize.

It's like wonder woman just gave up and went to hang out at a bar.
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post #40 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:35pm
This fanart poster made it to digg, and I thought it was actually pretty cool. The ones you posted lick balls though.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-conte...madeposter.jpg
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post #41 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:36pm
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Of course that made it to digg, alex billington at first showing paid to have it make the first page of digg.
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post #42 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:41pm
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Of course that made it to digg, alex billington at first showing paid to have it make the first page of digg.
You are in a bitching mood, aren't you?
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post #43 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:42pm
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The guy pays Digg superusers to get his site traffic despite having no good content. Why wouldn't I bitch about that?
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post #44 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:43pm
Wow, that Objectivist thread makes me appreciate the mindless fanboys.
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post #45 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:47pm
It's certainly worth bitching about and is one of the major failings of Digg. Let's not even talk about most of the users of it.

Anyway, all I really wanted to do was show the image. Which is a well made fan poster. Not all fanart is band fanart.
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post #46 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:49pm
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I've been thinking about it and I think that, unless you're selling it (which is technically illegal, right? Not sure, actually asking), all fanart is pathetic. It's sad to see people with talent just wasting their time paying homage to shit that other people get paid to do. Make up your own stuff. Sure, lots of great artists started aping other artists or drawing Spider-Man in their binder, but they either started getting paid for it or made up their own shit.
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post #47 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:50pm
The general consensus among the other "movie people" at my job is that all the prints of Watchmen are going to be locked up in a vault somewhere, never to be seen by anyone ever. When I try to explain how that doesn't really make sense, I get called out as the one who doesn't know what i'm talking about. Go figure.
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post #48 of 248
8/22/08 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
I've been thinking about it and I think that, unless you're selling it (which is technically illegal, right? Not sure, actually asking), all fanart is pathetic. It's sad to see people with talent just wasting their time paying homage to shit that other people get paid to do. Make up your own stuff. Sure, lots of great artists started aping other artists or drawing Spider-Man in their binder, but they either started getting paid for it or made up their own shit.
I'm not so sure about that.

I have lots of artist friends, that are very talented in whatever it is they do. Be it printmaking, sculpture, sketches, painting, etc. They are also fans of various artists, Mignola comes to mind. I've seen them put their own spin on Hellboy and other characters.

I don't think that makes them pathetic. It's just another way for them to practice their art.
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post #49 of 248
8/22/08 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
I've been thinking about it and I think that, unless you're selling it (which is technically illegal, right? Not sure, actually asking), all fanart is pathetic. It's sad to see people with talent just wasting their time paying homage to shit that other people get paid to do. Make up your own stuff. Sure, lots of great artists started aping other artists or drawing Spider-Man in their binder, but they either started getting paid for it or made up their own shit.
That's a kinda shitty assessment. I'm not sure, but it would seem to me that guys who are as skilled as some of the ones linked here are actually professionals who make these stills in their spare time. In fact I'll bet that plenty of them have a lot of original work under their belt that doesn't sell.

Seems like a bit of a strawman to me.

As an aside, ironic that you're bashing people who create art, not-so-great or otherwise, for the love of it.
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post #50 of 248
8/22/08 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
I've been thinking about it and I think that, unless you're selling it (which is technically illegal, right? Not sure, actually asking), all fanart is pathetic. It's sad to see people with talent just wasting their time paying homage to shit that other people get paid to do. Make up your own stuff. Sure, lots of great artists started aping other artists or drawing Spider-Man in their binder, but they either started getting paid for it or made up their own shit.
It is pathetic. I feel the same way about people who game master role playing games. The use all this creativity that could be used to making up their own story. It might be terrible, but at least it would be theirs.

Fanfic is beyond reproach.
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