BATMAN 3, WATCHMEN, Racism, Or, Random Internet Stuff That's Annoying Me - Page 2

That would mean that it can't be criticized.

Professionals do not have time to waste making bogus Catwoman costumes unless they are being paid to do so

And "strawman" is officially the most overused term at CHUD in 2008.

I would really like to watch The Dark Knight again to see some things. But I have yet to see too much that was really good discussion of the movie outside of certain reviews. And I just don't get the wanting to go ahead and push on and cast Batman 3. It lends itself to a lot of discussion or it should. Between anarchy and extreme order. Will people do good in a terrible situation. But yeah, I need another viewing before I go deep.

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Get better Devin. My wife swears by a shot of bourbon or Jack Daniels mixed with honey and lemon.

By the way, I want a favorites piece when you get better.

Right. That's what I meant!

No, wait I meant the opposite.

Well, as far as fan art goes i think they are pretty good. I mean, if they were real obviously I'd think they were terrible, but as fan art I've seen way worse. We all kill time in our own sometimes silly ways. So some people make fan art. Whatever.

Since I'm new here as a forums member, can someone fill me in on this Alex Billington person and why he's a horrible cocksucker? I'm sure Devin would not call him that in an article without good cause, but so far all I get from this article is that he lives at home with his folks. Which I guess might make me a horrible cocksucker as well, as my boyfriend and I also live with my folks. Actually, if there is something I'm not horrible at, then I guess cocksucking would be it, so I take that back.

I've also gotta admit, my friends and I have been playing "what's Batman 3 gonne be about???" as much as the next geek. It's just a nerd impulse with this kind of movie to do this sort of thing, the fact that we loved the Dark Knight just made us want to speculate about what's next. It's not like we haven't talked about what made TDK so awesome, it's just, ya know....it's human nature to get excited about the coming possibilities.

Why write a shitty story with it when you can host a fun game with it?


"Games as art" debate aside, the media aren't the same. I've never played D&D, but from what I've read, DMing is much more about engaging the players than creating an engaging narrative or developing themes. "All this creativity" goes into creating a fun gaming experience...it's not wasted. And the players themselves are a crucial part of that experience. The enjoyment comes from overcoming challenges...the "story" would seem to be a by-product.

Also, how is the game experience any less theirs?

Don't be ridiculous.

You don't like the fan art. Great, neither do I, really.

But don't redefine the concepts of work and spare time to prove your point.

"Hyperbole", anyone?

You can make fun of fanfic all you want but by God don't you dare say a scornful remark about femslash!

Hyperbolic specifically.

I find this to be hyperbole. Hyperbole!

Can someone define "fan art" and explain to me how the new Jason movie coming out isn't an example of it?

I'm fine with fan art. If people want to spend time on it and they get gratification out of it, who am I to judge to them? I probably wouldn't consider it great "art", but sometimes I think it's interesting to see a slightly different spin on an established world or character.

I do fan art some times. Does that mean I'm a cocksucker too?

Maybe it just means I'm bored.

Because the people who own the property are paying the people making the film.

Those fan-made BATMAN 3 posters aren't really any worse than what the studios give us 3/4 of the time.

So leaving aside the legal ramifications, if some filmmaker decided to make the same film on his own, instead of getting money to do so from the owners, does that make it lesser art?

That's what I got out of Devin's comment: people with hobbies are assholes.

Presumably, this includes every CHUD Forums user who doesn't get paid for his opinions. You now have the explanation for every troll comment Devin has ever made here.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Fuck Devin for even making me aware of those awful fan posters. And I decided to bug out of the TDK thread a while back. Every time I check my subscribed threads I'm surprised to see that it is till going strong. When I last checked it was all about who was the most realistic Batman villain to fit into the Nolanverse. I'll pass.

The funny thing is some of the people who are participating in the Batman fanwank (third most used word on Chud '08?) are intelligently discussing Watchmen. Maybe if we ignored the self important "grittiness" of TDK we could actually have fun looking at the pulp qualities of giving comic book characters a more realistic universe, or discuss how the film is a boiled down, reduced look at the modern city and it's conventions.

In Devin's review he mentioned that TDK has a lot in common with The Wire in that regard and I'd like to see more people discuss those aspects of the film instead of speculating on whether Killer Croc is realistic enough to be in the next movie.

To steal a line from Nick; those posters are fuck you.

And the Breakfast at Tiffany's censor job is ridiculous. I remember not too long ago when a lady who is younger than me by a few years was shocked that I love Blazing Saddles because she considers it one of the most racist films ever made (point of the film.... completely missed).

Great advocate.

ETA: Chud is the only place on the internet that does fan art right (My Fan Made Movie Posters)

Giving artistic integrity a solid legal basis? Spectacular! Now someone tell me how Rob Zombie's Halloween and the Daredevil film are better pieces of art than most fan fiction. Something besides "they got paid".

Yes, all fanfic is shit, but some fanfic is legally sanctioned.

But you're holding out on us out of...spite? You and Dre both have been weirdly coy on that front.

Better or worse is irrelevant. If it's sanctioned, it's not "fanfic".

And if you get paid for it, it's suddenly not a waste of time. This is complicated!

I would say that as an artist it's not a waste of your time because at least you are getting to make your mark on the property, for better or for worse. You may be wasting the fans time with your shitty story, however. But at least you'll have been paid for your energy. That's something.

I'm not even defending fanfic, it's just the vodka making it sound that way. But it feels like we're veering toward "cash money = artistic validation", which on any given day anyone typing it here could easily argue otherwise.

I completely agree.

But then, I also would actually love to see David Tennant as The Riddler, frankly. So . . . ya know . . . swings & roundabouts, eh?

No, cash money does not equal artistic validation. But, if the trustees of a property choose you to tell a story with their valued property, that is a form of validation. And it will get out there in some form, people will be exposed to it, and some people will probably like it. Unless it is HALLOWEEN RESURRECTION.

Here's Devin's reasons for accurately calling Billington a "horrible cocksucker":
http://www.chud.com/articles/article...ARY/Page1.html

The argument made earlier in the thread was that fan fic/art is pathetic because it's inherently non-creative and leeching off the work of others. I just don't see how this validation you speak of changes that. If I was paid to redo Halloween or Friday the 13th, I'm still co-opting the work done by others. Aren't I?

I never said fanfic was not creative. It's just misguided creativity. If you have a story to tell, and you populate that story with characters that you do not have permission to use, you are in effect, denying its full potential. The only outlet is for you to share it is with other fans (who are into fanfic), and while that is nice, it is limiting. And the world at large won't take your skills seriously because all they will see is that while you may tell a decent story, you aren't displaying the ability to create your own worlds and characters. The people who write books, movies and comics are not plucked from the world of fanfic. They write their own stories and others take notice. Then they get to play with the fun toys.

If the only validation you need is to be appreciated by other fanfic fans, then hey, go nuts. But if a larger validation is what you seek, your energy is better spent on your own original ideas. That is all I'm saying.

Huh, not the Batman/Watchmen DA I was hoping to come across when I saw the headline. I guess the today/'86 parallel I mentioned in the WB thread is triter than I thought, or all talked out long ago in places I don't read, or something. Hand the ball off, or punt.

That Breakfast at Tiffany's story, though, is horseshit. Meaning, the Mayor. Hell, it's not like the movie isn't already compromising the novel. Pepard, gay? HA!

What potential exactly? Its artistic potential or its marketing potential?

And those people who write books, movies and comics...you know that they regularly use characters and worlds that they didn't create, right? Hell, look at the two movies in the title of this thread. Is their creativity misguided?

According to this logic, the only real difference I'm seeing is that one group gets paid and the other doesn't. And suddenly "the world at large", that constant recipient of scorn for its taste in movies, and "fun toys", of which I'm sure CHUD favorites Shawn Levy and Paul WS Anderson have many, make attempts at creativity less pathetic.


This is quite a bit of pseudo-intellectual bullshit just to rationalize yet another round of petty hate for lower-tier geeks. Might have been better if you'd posted up a pic of a cosplayer and written "LOL! FAG!" underneath.

Seriously. I get that Devin's cranky and sick, and it sounds like less than no fun, but that was spiteful and cruel. I got the runs just from looking at the Catwoman poster. It's as good as something that isn't good at all. I thought about looking at the other ones, but then I thought that punching my dick might be a better expenditure of time, so I'm going to go work the bag and fall asleep hating fan art.

Jesus Christ did you ever miss the point. You know what's a waste of my creative energy? Dealing with you. Knock yourself out with the fanficking.

speaking of fanfic, did you know there's a whole subgenre dealing with pregnant harry potter characters?


"You're what?" Snape hissed out between clenched teeth.

"I'm pregnant, Sev," Harry repeated patiently, sitting down on a nearby chair.

"B-but how could this have happened?" Severus sputtered, all thoughts of the tests he'd been grading flying from his mind.

A twinkle in his eye, Harry said, "Well, when two people love each other very much..."

"I *know* that part, Potter. What I meant was, how could *you* be pregnant? You're a man."

"I am quite aware of that fact, Severus," Harry returned drolly. "But surely you must realize that while I *am* a man, I am also a wizard. A very powerful wizard, in fact, and sometimes very powerful wizards use their magic unconsciously. Remember how I beat Voldemort? He cast the killing curse, and even though I was almost unconscious, and didn't have my wand, I still managed to reflect it so it hit him instead?"

Snape looked at him skeptically. "So you're saying that unconsciously you *wanted* to get pregnant? For Merlin's sake, *why*?!"

Blushing Harry said, "Well, it was after we'd gone to see Ron and 'Mione's new twins. I was thinking that you'd make such a good father, and when you pounced me that evening, I must've focused in on that."

Severus looked surprised at Harry's words -- him, a good father? -- but thought for a moment about their situation.

"Well," he said finally. "I suppose it could happen. But in all cases where male pregnancy has happened, it was a planned event. It had to be, because both parties had to use their magic to make it happen..." He trailed off, his face draining of all color, as he realized what he was implying.

Harry grinned. "I guess it was meant to happen, then."

Severus was at a loss. "But I don't understand -- neither of us knew what the other was thinking, and without joint focus, it *still* shouldn't have happened..."

"Since both of us are powerful wizards, maybe we didn't need to know in order to focus," Harry suggested. "I'm more concerned about the numbers."

"Numbers?" Severus asked, floundering for understanding.

Taking a deep breath, Harry broached the topic cautiously. "Well, we each have at least twice as much magic as most Wizards, and we'd gone to see the twins that evening...and I'm definitely showing more than normal for not being even three months pregnant. My larger stomach was the first clue I had that I *was* pregnant."

"You think we're having twins?" Severus squeaked.

Harry nodded. "I'm not sure, though. But it's possible."

"Oh, wonderful," Severus snarked. "I never planned on us having children to begin with, and now you tell me we're most likely having *two*?"

"Well, Sev, as you pointed out, it takes two to make this spell work. You can't blame all of this on me," Harry said, voice hard.

Sighing, Severus put his head in his hands and said, "I know. But I wish I could."

"Whyever would you want to do that?" Harry demanded, exasperated.

Directing a glare at his husband, Severus said, "Because if I recall, your dog-father still doesn't even know we're married. How in the world are you planning to explain *this* to him?"

Harry gulped. "I-I hadn't thought of that."

Nodding, Severus said, "I thought not."

Practically hyperventilating, Harry summed their situation up in two words: "Oh, shit."

I want to destroy the human race after reading that. Like, total fucking extinction. Eliminating those responsible won't help, because as long as humanity exists the potential for things like that to be created will also exist.

Thus...we must be ended. Quickly and totally. In fact, let's salt the fucking Earth while we're at it. I don't want to risk some other species evolving sentience and repeating the whole horrible cycle.

This might lift your spirits a bit:

HOW ALF GOT LUCKY

One day Lia (ME) went for a walk in the park to see the site of the finest man she had ever laid her sexy eyes on. IT WAS THE HOTTEST GUY EVER! She watched as he walked around the park, his sexy hair blowing in the wind. She became hot seeing his face glance her way. His long pointed nose was the site of pleasure as he pointed it her way. His big hairy body was the body of a man, and was erotic to even view. IT WAS ALF! He stood only feet away from Lia, and began to step closer, his big hairy feet making her heart throb with every step. Slowly, he stood before her, and looked down at her awesome boobies.

" I like you titties" ALF suddenly blurted.

" These old things?" Lia nervously responded, showing it to ALF

"I would like to lick your titty please" ALF asked with a cocked head.

Lia reached out for ALF's big hairy body, and guided the sexy alien to her house off the lake.

She lead ALF in, and offered him a titty. He cheerfully accepted. You see ALF had never experienced a real titty like that, he wanted full on titty love, and his past relationship didn't offer that.

ALF slowly put his large hand over the titty, and began to squeeze. ALF HOWLED to the sky as he felt such pleasure. Lia, who became aroused by such a reaction, lead ALF to her room to make a baby ALFY.

9 MONTHS LATER-

ALFY ALF ALIEN JR. was born to the proud parents. ALF even used the titty during nursing time. ALF had never loved anything as much as those titties, well accept his baby ALFY. The two lived happily ever after in their alien ALF world, and had many more baby ALF'S.

ok no more, pwomise.

what about making Baby ALF's for free?

I'm hoping that most people who write such fanfics don't actually think they actually have good story ideas. They're just people who enjoy these already-created worlds so much but just wish that they also incorporated pregnancy or whatever-kind-of eroticism. They know the original author won't deliver, so they satisfy themselves amongst like-minded people.

And if they actually do fancy themselves to be a creative artist, I can also understand the desire to write in an established world if doing some real writing gets frustrating. It's just easier. You know the general boundaries of the world and if you break some of them, you know what you're breaking. I'm sure it doesn't apply to everyone, but I find it faster and easier to be creative when there are lots of boundaries and restrictions.

But I won't lie. This fanfic stuff is completely weird and alien to me. The last time I legitimately 'fanficked' was when I used to make up stories with my mixed up collection of action figures when I was a kid.

A few months ago I learned that there is Schindler's List fan fiction.

UUUUUGH!

I'm scared to ask what Schindler's Fanfic is like.

What if you write slash fiction because it makes this girl you know all excited and shit and she will fuck you? Is trading fan fiction for sex acceptable?

Fanfiction is 99% useless crap, 1% brilliant people wasting their talents. Yea, even in the depths of the Pokemon forums, there may be one or two good writers. But...this fanart is unforgivable. It's heinous. It's a crime against good taste. Deviantart and fanfiction.net are two of the internet's shittiest cesspools of cultural detritus.

That's a cop out, and you're a better poster than that.

There is all kinds of putrid fan fiction (personal favorite? Scott Bakula's character quantum leaps into Starsky's body and fucks Hutch. Not kidding), but everyone keeps coming back to "getting paid" as the validation. By the definitions given so far, a spec script is fan fiction until it sells. So it's to be scorned until someone cuts a check.

This is true! If BATMAN 3 were to have Catwoman in it, chances are the character and poster design would actually be that ugly. That official poster of Batman flying on a motorbike or whatever was a bona fide disaster.

I guess, but then you're singling out someone's passions as weird and, well, you've been singing that song for a good long while.

Most fanfic exists because it plays with situations that will never see the light of day, but 99% of what 99% of would-be writers write won't sell anyway. (Note: I made up those figures, but I think they're close enough.)

So the realm of "fanfic" is one of motivation and intent - the exact same piece of output is sad and weird if it's a hobby, but it's legit if you want to sell it. Zach Snyder's entire filmic output is "only worthwhile for money"?

I hope you feel better soon, Devin.