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post #101 of 122
9/1/08 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
Are you kidding? I have lived in your country and I sure didn't get my medicine for free. Also are cat scans, x-rays, etc. free and readily available? If your illness requires long stretches of daily medicine intake, will you get it for free if you don't have health insurance?
it is called ISS, but yes it is free.
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post #102 of 122
9/1/08 at 4:23pm
So you have free healthcare for all in your country that covers everything from medicine to severed limbs and no matter how serious the condition.

Damn then I stand back (wondering what the whole healthcare discussion is all about).
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post #103 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
So you have free healthcare for all in your country that covers everything from medicine to severed limbs and no matter how serious the condition.

Damn then I stand back (wondering what the whole healthcare discussion is all about).
It about total government control. The poor can get health care, the sick and disable also can get health care. The government want to control and mandate what level of care you can get. Also as far as the cost of drugs go, people take to many drugs in this country already. I can get all my drugs for free, and I am not taking any drugs. Most drugs are not really good for you. Most drugs are not needed, and they are toxic also. People taking to much antibiotics is why most of them no longer work, as an example. The cost of drugs in the USA is already 90% the government fault, and you want them to take control of all your health options? you want the same people who brought you the Federal Reserve(a private company that prints and control the money of the US government, and no one know who own it) and the IRS to take control of your health?
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post #104 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:19pm
So the many stories of people who are ruined due to their medical expenses are false?

Also I'm not talking about a system where drugstores simply have a take what you want. The free medicine is only what the doctors prescribe so your whole rant about people taking too many drugs as it is, is stupid.

And what do you care about the costs of drugs? In a system with free health care there are no costs for you, the citizen. The only cost of drugs is the one the government will have to pay for them to distribute to the people. So yes, maybe they'll have to cut into the ginormous defense budget in order to pay for those.

And why do you think it's so difficult for a country to handle, the rest of the western world handles it fine?
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post #105 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:23pm
What the fuck is ISS? International Space Station?
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post #106 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
What the fuck is ISS? International Space Station?
lol, I just wikied it too.
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post #107 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:28pm
apparently it IS your universal health care!!
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post #108 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by eenin View Post
It about total government control. The poor can get health care, the sick and disable also can get health care. The government want to control and mandate what level of care you can get. Also as far as the cost of drugs go, people take to many drugs in this country already. I can get all my drugs for free, and I am not taking any drugs. Most drugs are not really good for you. Most drugs are not needed, and they are toxic also. People taking to much antibiotics is why most of them no longer work, as an example. The cost of drugs in the USA is already 90% the government fault, and you want them to take control of all your health options? you want the same people who brought you the Federal Reserve(a private company that prints and control the money of the US government, and no one know who own it) and the IRS to take control of your health?
Eenin, you've said some stupid shit in the past, but this takes it to a whole new level. Congratulations, it's a new personal best.

People are ruined by high medical bills every day. Yes, the hospital has to treat you, but not for free. Without insurance, you will be billed the full amount whether you can pay it or not. And if you don't, it goes to collections and becomes a permanent black mark on your credit record. If the amount is high enough (and in the case of major procedures, it almost certainly will be), it can cause you to lose your home.

You're spewing the exact kind of bullshit that the privatized health care and pharmaceutical industries want people to hear. And you're doing it badly.
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post #109 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:37pm
I tend to ignore arguments from people who muddy them with off-topic tangents, let alone cryptic acronyms.
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post #110 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
What the fuck is ISS? International Space Station?
SSI damn dyslexia
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post #111 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by eenin
SSI damn dyslexia
* Sliding-Scale Insulin, a method of insulin administration
* Solid State Intelligence, a malevolent entity described by John C. Lilly
* Stress-Strain Index, a measure of bone strength
* Surgical Site Infection, this term is preferred over "Surgical Wound Infection"


Which of these are you referring to?
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post #112 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:52pm
Why, "Stupid Shitty Insurance" of course Greg.
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post #113 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
* Sliding-Scale Insulin, a method of insulin administration
* Solid State Intelligence, a malevolent entity described by John C. Lilly
* Stress-Strain Index, a measure of bone strength
* Surgical Site Infection, this term is preferred over "Surgical Wound Infection"


Which of these are you referring to?
Supplemental Security Income
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post #114 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Eenin, you've said some stupid shit in the past, but this takes it to a whole new level. Congratulations, it's a new personal best.

People are ruined by high medical bills every day. Yes, the hospital has to treat you, but not for free. Without insurance, you will be billed the full amount whether you can pay it or not. And if you don't, it goes to collections and becomes a permanent black mark on your credit record. If the amount is high enough (and in the case of major procedures, it almost certainly will be), it can cause you to lose your home.

You're spewing the exact kind of bullshit that the privatized health care and pharmaceutical industries want people to hear. And you're doing it badly.
THIS eenin, your reply?
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post #115 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Eenin, you've said some stupid shit in the past, but this takes it to a whole new level. Congratulations, it's a new personal best.

People are ruined by high medical bills every day. Yes, the hospital has to treat you, but not for free. Without insurance, you will be billed the full amount whether you can pay it or not. And if you don't, it goes to collections and becomes a permanent black mark on your credit record. If the amount is high enough (and in the case of major procedures, it almost certainly will be), it can cause you to lose your home.

You're spewing the exact kind of bullshit that the privatized health care and pharmaceutical industries want people to hear. And you're doing it badly.
Why are you worried about your Credit record?

You do understand that the Credit record is just something, a private company name, the Federal Reserve made up.
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post #116 of 122
9/1/08 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by eenin View Post
Why are you worried about your Credit record?

You do understand that the Credit record is just something, a private company name, the Federal Reserve made up.
God you're a moron.
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post #117 of 122
9/1/08 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by eenin View Post
Supplemental Security Income
Not even close to being a replacement for an actual workable health care system.

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Originally Posted by eenin
Why are you worried about your Credit record?

You do understand that the Credit record is just something, a private company name, the Federal Reserve made up.
Even if we take that incredibly stupid statement at face value, it doesn't mean that the credit record is without power. Hell, money itself only has importance because we all decide that it does. That doesn't mean that the lack of it won't leave you in trouble. Financial institutions all agree that the credit record matters, and since you have to deal with the financial institutions, it does matter. QED.
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post #118 of 122
9/1/08 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
God you're a moron.
why because I know that Federal Reserve is a private company?
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post #119 of 122
9/1/08 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Not even close to being a replacement for an actual workable health care system.



Even if we take that incredibly stupid statement at face value, it doesn't mean that the credit record is without power. Hell, money itself only has importance because we all decide that it does. That doesn't mean that the lack of it won't leave you in trouble. Financial institutions all agree that the credit record matters, and since you have to deal with the financial institutions, it does matter. QED.
I didn't say it didn't matter. I asked why worry about it. there are way around it, if you know how the system work.
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post #120 of 122
9/1/08 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by eenin View Post
I didn't say it didn't matter. I asked why worry about it. there are way around it, if you know how the system work.
Your average poor person with health problems does not, in fact, know how the system works. Thus, the problem.

Your compassion for the underprivileged is awesome to behold.
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post #121 of 122
9/2/08 at 3:03am
Thread Starter 
Just to put a little light on how much medical bills can destroy the lower classes, I have a simple C/T scan once a month. My standard and generally regaurded as 'good' insurance covers 80% of the cost of each scan, which sounds good until you get a $800 out of pocket bill. $1600 a year is huge for most people, and if, like me, you can't pay it off right away, your interest may be something like 13.5% (which is what mine is). I make enough money that this doesn't destroy me, but if I had a kid, or a sick wife, or I made a little less money I'd be fucked. I can't believe that there isn't a better way to do this, especially when I stop to think that I actually have 'good' insurance, what about that guy that cleans the bathrooms in my office? What if he gets sick? Does he just die because those of us with money don't want to risk higher taxes or more time on line? I don't have the answers myself guys, but there has to be another way to handle these things.
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post #122 of 122
9/2/08 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
That's dumb. The last eight years have proved how truly dumb that is. If this nation had a bit of integrity, we would have pulled that man out of the office by his hair. Now that would have been showing respect to the presidency.


BTW, McCain supporters are about three things:

-Taxes. Either they're rich and don't want to pay taxes or they think they'll somehow get rich.

- Racism.

- Tough guy posturing bullshit.

McCain's not just a terrible person because his positions suck, he's a terrible person because he has kowtowed so much since 2000 so that he could even be in this position. After the horrible smear tactics that were used against him the first time around the fact that he'd go this negative this early shows a complete lack of ethics.
Devin and I have our share of virulent disagreements, but he couldn't be more right about this.
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