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Americas love affair with guns has never ceased to fascinate, appal and generally leave me with my mouth open half the time, and this little piece does nothing to allay those responses.

What I find even more gob-smacking is that there are people on this very board who will read this article and think the premise behind it sounds reasonable...

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Texas teachers pack guns at school

Teachers at a tiny Texas country school packed a gun along with their lesson plans when classes started this week.

The isolated, 110-student school near the border with Oklahoma is thought to be the first in the United States to allow guns in the classroom.

School officials say arming teachers is the only way to protect the old brick schoolhouse, which sits 30 minutes from the nearest police station.

"How do you stop the angry person without enough sense?" said Superintendent David Thweatt of the Harrold Independent School District.

"It's not going to take very long for it to be a total massacre."

But critics say the risks of having guns around children far outweigh the potential threat of a crazed gunman.

"Which risk is more likely: that someone is going to accidentally set off a gun in class and God forbid hit a student, or someone will come in off the highway and start a random shooting spree?" said Doug Pennington, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

While random shootings grab headlines, they are extremely rare, Pennington said, adding that fewer than one per cent of school-age homicide victims are killed on school grounds or on the way to and from school.

Pennington questioned whether teachers were adequately trained to respond in a crisis situation and said the school would be better off with a security guard - the only people technically allowed to carry guns in Texas schools.

Thweatt would not say which teachers were armed or how many but said they all received adequate training.

Harrold's school board decided last October to allow its employees to carry concealed handguns on campus when the 2008-09 school year began on Monday.

Mass murders at schools, college campuses, shopping malls and churches have claimed scores of lives across the United States in recent years.

Some, like Harrold's superintendent, blame the violence on federal legislation enacted in 1995 that made such areas "gun-free zones".

"That's the place people could go if they are feeling crazy or mad at the world and get a big body count," Thweatt said.

Thweatt says he studied the issue for two years while he filled his school with more than $US100,000 ($A117,000) in state-of-the-art security systems.

But even with the new keyless entry, camera system, lock-down buttons and classroom telephones, Thweatt said he still could not have prevented a mass murder like the one in an Amish one-room schoolhouse in Pennsylvania in 2006 that left five girls dead.

It also would not have been enough to deter the deranged student at Virginia Tech University, who killed 32 people and wounded 23 in 2007.

"They were like fish in a barrel," Thweatt said.

The Harrold policy requires that each teacher who carries a gun be approved by its school board, earn a concealed carry licence and complete training in crisis management and hostage situations.

Guns must be worn - not locked in a safe - and loaded with ammunition designed to blast into powder instead of ricocheting through the hallways.

The decision to arm teachers isn't a far-fetched idea for this ranching community, said Bridget Knight, who lives in nearby Vernon.

"For Harrold, it makes total sense."

Its windswept fields are ranch country, she said, where guns are a mainstay - if not to stop a madman, then to shoot a snake, a wild hog, a wild dog or coyote that might run onto the playground.

Even Harrold children are raised to handle guns, said Lee Anderson of nearby Wichita Falls, Texas.

"Most high school seniors been huntin' on their own since the age of 12," he said. Many eventually join the rodeo circuit or work in the oil fields.

"These are country people. They grow up with guns. It's nothing unusual."

Still, that doesn't make guns fit for the classroom, said Kristina Tirloni of the Texas Classroom Teachers Association.

She called the policy "extreme".

Adding security guard to a teacher's duties is "a lot of responsibility for someone who already has a lot of responsibility in the classroom", she said.

While a handful of colleges and universities allow people with permits to carry guns on campus, "as far as we are aware this is the first policy of its kind at the elementary or high school level," Pennington said.

http://news.theage.com.au/world/texa...0827-43r2.html
post #2 of 19
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
Americas love affair with guns has never ceased to fascinate, appal and generally leave me with my mouth open half the time, and this little piece does nothing to allay those responses.

What I find even more gob-smacking is that there are people on this very board who will read this article and think the premise behind it sounds reasonable...
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"How do you stop the angry person without enough sense?" said Superintendent Downs S. Vampire of the Harrold Independent School District.
That's just how that read to me.
post #3 of 19
Well obviously, if we want there to be fewer student fatalities, then it's totally cool to arm the teachers. I mean, what are the odds they're going to shoot a student? This couldn't possibly go wrong in any fashion. God bless the U.S.A.
post #4 of 19
What I find particularly brain damaged is that this extreme measure is based purely out of paranoia. The school itself has not had a rise or threat of student violence, but because bad things happened in maybe three schools in the last four years, they're implementing Crawford Man's policy of first strike.

Of course, this is near the panhandle, where most of the actual clichéd Texans live and give those of us who live in civilization a bad rep. Y'know, the Josh Brolin/Tommy Lee Jones in NCFOM type. Minus the awesome dialogue, but plus a whole mouthful of Skoars.
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Of course, this is near the panhandle, where most of the actual clichéd Texans live and give those of us who live in civilization a bad rep.
QFT. I mean, if you're so damned paranoid, give the teachers pepper spray. I mean, what's the worst that happens if a kid gets hold of THAT? A room full of kids with red eyes instead of a room full of kids with red chests.
post #6 of 19
I think this is a very good idea. But someone hasn´t thought it trough though. If you only have one teacher per class what happens if the shooter shots the teacher first and than proceeds to shoot the classmates? Therefore I that you either booby trap the whole premises as well, arm everybody, make kevlar vests mandatory and sell the school system to Blackwater.
Only way to make sure to stop the madmen and terrorists.
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post #8 of 19
I think this is a really bad idea, but I'm not following the logic set by the Brady campaign spokesperson.

Are the odds higher that a teacher will accidentally shoot a student compared to someone shooting up a school?

I would assume several states allow teachers to carry firearms and I'm just wondering if there are any cases of teachers' guns going off accidentally while class is in session.
post #9 of 19
Nice work Texas. Keep up that sterotype.
post #10 of 19
Guns bad.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Nice work Texas. Keep up that sterotype.
Don't worry about us. You just keep peddling your smut Ed.
post #12 of 19
Hey, you do what you do and I do what I do.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Hey, you do what you do and I do what I do.
I'll swap you a case of ammo for a lifetime Bang Bros pass.
post #14 of 19
No dice. You'll have to step it up a notch for that sort of thing.
post #15 of 19
Your also missing the point that some teachers could use the gun to force students into sexual situations. So there isn't just the worry that a gun happy teacher would blow away a student.
post #16 of 19
It been over 20 years since high school, but if memory serves I am not sure what is more alarming armed student or armed teachers. Most teachers are not what I would call stable.
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Your also missing the point that some teachers could use the gun to force students into sexual situations. So there isn't just the worry that a gun happy teacher would blow away a student.
since when do teachers need a gun to force student to have sex with them?
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
Your also missing the point that some teachers could use the gun to force students into sexual situations. So there isn't just the worry that a gun happy teacher would blow away a student.
Nice, not even 20 posts into a conversation about crazy Texans and No Country and Debbie Does Dallas are already summoned up. Somebody throw in The Last Picture Show and we've got a sticky.
post #19 of 19
Hey they are right on the border with Oklahoma. The need to Protect our Borders (TM)
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