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Michael Moore goes off the deep end

post #1 of 50
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Oh sweet jesus Michael Moore just killed himself on Countdown. He said Gustav was a sign that there is a God because it's going to make landfall at the start of the RNC.

It's predicted that Gustav will be a Cat 3 hurricane and hit somewhere between Houston and New Orleans... probably closer to NO. So three years after Katrina New Orleans is likely going to have to evacuate again. With reconstruction inching along they're going to suffer a massive setback. Gustav is already responsible for at least 70 deaths.

Thus endeth his career.
post #2 of 50
Yes, just like all the other careers that have been made or broken on Countdown. Because everybody watches that.

Somehow, I think he'll survive.
post #3 of 50
In my eyes, Gustav is another sign. It's another sign that that area of Louisiana isn't really meant for a major city. Location-wise, it's kinda of a bad spot.
post #4 of 50
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This is just indefensible. A deadly hurricane that is going to hit an already devasted city is cited (mockingly) as proof of God's existence. If Keith has a modicum of integrity Moore will be one of Monday's Worst People in the World.

Religous conservatives may forgive men of the cloth who indicate that Katrina destroyed New Orleans because of its "level of sin" but I like to think that we liberals are made of better stuff.
post #5 of 50
Do far-left liberals like him even believe in God?
post #6 of 50
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Some of us do. But we don't believe he sends hurricanes to punish cities or political parties.
post #7 of 50
Michael Moore says something provactive to stir shit up. The devil you say?
post #8 of 50
Actually, there is a strong chance Gustov will churn in the Carribean and turn into a CAT 5. Expect new updates Sunday > Monday early AM.
post #9 of 50
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Michael Moore says something provactive to stir shit up. The devil you say?
Also, saying controversial things always ends careers. Look at Joe Biden. He made that comment about Obama being an "articulate and clean" black man, and where is he now? He's...well, he's Obama's running mate.

Nevermind.
post #10 of 50
You don't see that many catastrophes striking the Vatican, do you? PROOF!
post #11 of 50
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Actually, there is a strong chance Gustov will churn in the Carribean and turn into a CAT 5. Expect new updates Sunday > Monday early AM.
Missed us! Yay!
post #12 of 50
Wait, do you think that Michael Moore is actually making the theological argument that this storm proves the existence of God? You don't think he's possibly making a 'joke'?
post #13 of 50
Right, I think you totally misunderstood what he was trying to say. The religious nuts never fail to amaze me with their non-sense.
post #14 of 50
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I know he's making a joke. But if a conservative made the same joke we'd be flaying them from head to toe. It is ridiculously inappropriate.
post #15 of 50
Uh, why would we attack a conservative that made such a commnent? Those are exactly the things 'we' expect them to say.
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post #17 of 50
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Why would we attack a conservative that made such a comment? Because it's ridiculously offensive to blame hurricanes and terrorist attacks on homosexuality and the ACLU and feminism and yet they do it.

To even hint that this hurricane is a "good thing," to exploit it for political benefit is not becoming of us.
post #18 of 50
Stupid joke, but it's Michael Moore. Given his and Countdown's audience, it's a joke that probably went over pretty well.
post #19 of 50
Of course Micheal Moore is a comedian. Didn't you see his first movie?

Sure, he mines the political for his jokes, and he has a strong agenda, but anybody who thinks he's Edward R Murrow, or is even trying to be, is a gullible fool. Including him.

He's way too full of himself, he knows it, and he doesn't care. Just like Rush Limbaugh.

He sells a lot of tickets. So does Chris Rock. They both speak truths few are willing to speak. And they make me laugh when they do it. (Rock is a billion times funnier than Moore, but Moore is a jillion times better informed.)

I admit I haven't read the whole thread. I just wanted to toss in my opinion of Michael Moore. And Rush Limbaugh.

et al
post #20 of 50
I'm with myk on this one. It doesn't matter who said it or why, it's just a shitty thing to say.
post #21 of 50
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Originally Posted by jvc View Post
Stupid joke, but it's Michael Moore. Given his and Countdown's audience, it's a joke that probably went over pretty well.
It's impossible to gauge audiencereaction to that joke but you can tell he felt it was an idiot thing to say immediately upon closing his mouth. He had to explain it. Any joke you have to explain is not a good joke.
post #22 of 50
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Any joke you have to explain is not a good joke.
"He's fucking dog-faced!".

Thesis rejected.
post #23 of 50
Are you really getting your panties in a twist over this? LOL. He's obviously riffing on Robertson and also didn't Hagee ask his flock to pray for rain during Obama's address? Given the poison they've spewed into this country, it's totally fair to hold the mirror up to them and ask what, in their divination, this storm's trajectory says about them. That's how satire works.
post #24 of 50
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There's a little something called the moral high ground and I really like when my side has it
post #25 of 50
Michael Moore makes a living out of being a cunt. He'll be fine.
post #26 of 50
Michael Moore's heart is on the moral high ground, but his mouth is a different story. That's why his movies have broken box office records. You can't take the moral high ground when you're lampooning and criticizing the most craven, morally degenerate people to hold America captive since the British Crown. The so-called moral high ground is what has held your side and my side in thrall while the other side sliced up our country without anyone being rude or uncouth enough to call them on it. I love Michael Moore, and I'm glad he does what he does.
post #27 of 50
I took the time to watch it, and not react first. Yes, it was a joke. The context is sound. It was a shitty joke, and he's still a piece of shit, but it was a joke.
post #28 of 50
Do you guys ever feel weird when you get offended or uptight about someone saying something? Like, do you ever think, 'Man, it's pretty dumb to get worked up about a guy saying shit, especially when that guy has no power?'

I mean, I like people putting their foot in their mouth as much as the next guy, but I honestly am baffled by people who hear an obvious joke - I mean, I didn't even see the fucking show and knew it was a joke - and then get all flustered about it.

They're words. Move along.
post #29 of 50
I wonder myk, did you have a problem with the Tropic Thunder full retard thing?
post #30 of 50
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I wonder myk, did you have a problem with the Tropic Thunder full retard thing?
Apropos of nothing, no I didn't.

I am not an easily offended person. And I'm not actually offended by the statement. It's just a dumbass thing to say and I get splashed when Moore gets slapped with the "insensitive liberal asshole" paintbrush.
post #31 of 50
Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
And I'm not actually offended by the statement.
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Why would we attack a conservative that made such a comment? Because it's ridiculously offensive to blame hurricanes and terrorist attacks on homosexuality and the ACLU and feminism and yet they do it.
I realize you weren't referring to Moore's joke but you were drawing a parallel to it.

And if you are not offended, then I guess there never was a point here, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure it's fairly easy to find 20 other incredibly more dumbass things Michael Moore has said.

Also, I don't know you but from the following statement, its easy to see why someone would don't believe you when you say you are not offended:

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This is just indefensible. A deadly hurricane that is going to hit an already devasted city is cited (mockingly) as proof of God's existence. If Keith has a modicum of integrity Moore will be one of Monday's Worst People in the World.

Religous conservatives may forgive men of the cloth who indicate that Katrina destroyed New Orleans because of its "level of sin" but I like to think that we liberals are made of better stuff.
post #33 of 50
Does this mean he'll make a documentary about Acts of God that are politically motivated?
post #34 of 50
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Originally Posted by Francis Wolcott View Post
I realize you weren't referring to Moore's joke but you were drawing a parallel to it.

And if you are not offended, then I guess there never was a point here, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure it's fairly easy to find 20 other incredibly more dumbass things Michael Moore has said.

Also, I don't know you but from the following statement, its easy to see why someone would don't believe you when you say you are not offended:
You're coming awfully close to calling me a liar. Please don't do that.

I am a huge Michael Moore fan. I own Dude Wears My Country and another one of his books. I own Bowling for Columbine and Roger & Me and Farenheit 9/11. There is a MASSIVE difference between using his quasidocumentary techniques to paint those he opposes in a bad light and attempting to score a cheap political point by invoking a deadly hurricane. It's dumbass stupid and indefensible.

Schadenfraude is not an acceptable emotion when innocent people are dying.

Here's the link for the show. I'm not sure if this is permalinked so it may not last before the next episode of countdown:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26462689

And here's what Moores says exactly:

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Moore: Heh heh... I was just thinking that this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven. I uh

Olberman: You mean just because -

Moore: To have it planned at the same time... yeah that it would actually uh... be on it's way to New Orleans in time for Day 1 of the Republican convention in the Twin Cities at the top of the Mississippi River. I mean certainly I hope nobody gets hurt and I hope everyone's taking cover but uh uh you know (changes topic)
Moore knew he stepped in it as soon as he said it. I repeat Michael Moore knew he said something indefensible and dumbass stupid as soon as it came out of his mouth. Keith Olberman, a man not unfamiliar with saying controversial and provocative things, knew he stepped in it as soon as it came out.

The reasons for bring it up are inescapable. It is likely to hit and greatly influence the Republican Convention three years after what is widely considered to be the death knell for this administration and a crippling blow to the Republican Party. But that incident was not a hurricane, it was the response to that hurricane. The people affected in the real world will not be the members of the GOP in St. Paul, it will be the people in New Orleans. The irony can be noted, but glee should not be taken.

Michael Moore will have to apologize for this. He has never, to the best of my knowledge, been quite so giddy about the prospect of a natural disaster. Never come out and said, "Gee, I wish another terrorist would attack us so that Bush would stop saying we haven't had a terrorist attack in eight years." This is different. And the clip of him saying:

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I was just thinking that this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven.
will be run over and over and overlayed with images of destruction it's caused and the people whose life it shattered. I know because that's what I would do if, say, Pat Robertson said something similar about the Democratic Convention. And when that happens, that hurts my cause. And since I'm one of Michael Moore's principle consumers I am damn pissed.

But still not really offended.
post #35 of 50
Who is dying? Jesus Christ, this whole country is nuts.
post #36 of 50
For the record, I didn't mean to call you a liar... I can see how what I wrote could have given you that impression so sorry about that.

I get it, you actually like Moore and are disappointed by his tactic. Fair enough.

For what its worth, I think you are overreacting and its just a comment. But I'll drop it.
post #37 of 50
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You're coming awfully close to calling me a liar. Please don't do that.

I am a huge Michael Moore fan. I own Dude Wears My Country and another one of his books. I own Bowling for Columbine and Roger & Me and Farenheit 9/11. There is a MASSIVE difference between using his quasidocumentary techniques to paint those he opposes in a bad light and attempting to score a cheap political point by invoking a deadly hurricane. It's dumbass stupid and indefensible.

Schadenfraude is not an acceptable emotion when innocent people are dying.

Here's the link for the show. I'm not sure if this is permalinked so it may not last before the next episode of countdown:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26462689

And here's what Moores says exactly:



Moore knew he stepped in it as soon as he said it. I repeat Michael Moore knew he said something indefensible and dumbass stupid as soon as it came out of his mouth. Keith Olberman, a man not unfamiliar with saying controversial and provocative things, knew he stepped in it as soon as it came out.

The reasons for bring it up are inescapable. It is likely to hit and greatly influence the Republican Convention three years after what is widely considered to be the death knell for this administration and a crippling blow to the Republican Party. But that incident was not a hurricane, it was the response to that hurricane. The people affected in the real world will not be the members of the GOP in St. Paul, it will be the people in New Orleans. The irony can be noted, but glee should not be taken.

Michael Moore will have to apologize for this. He has never, to the best of my knowledge, been quite so giddy about the prospect of a natural disaster. Never come out and said, "Gee, I wish another terrorist would attack us so that Bush would stop saying we haven't had a terrorist attack in eight years." This is different. And the clip of him saying:



will be run over and over and overlayed with images of destruction it's caused and the people whose life it shattered. I know because that's what I would do if, say, Pat Robertson said something similar about the Democratic Convention. And when that happens, that hurts my cause. And since I'm one of Michael Moore's principle consumers I am damn pissed.

But still not really offended.
I call bullshit, as you very obviously are really offended. That kind of anger doesn't come out of not really caring one way or another. You find his joke offensive. You didn't come in here starting a thread with the kind of language you're using ("indefensible") if it didn't have an emotional effect on you. And if you're emotionally engaged by it, stop denying it. At least be honest about your own reaction. Then maybe we can move on to more important questions, like whether it hurt when you had your sense of humor removed, and replaced it with a sense of righteous indignation.
post #38 of 50
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Jesus Christ, this whole country is nuts.
I have never agreed with Devin as much as I do with this statement. It's a fat guy with a bad beard making a shitty joke*. Ignore it and it'll go away.

*Michael Moore, not Devin. Even though.....
post #39 of 50
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I call bullshit, as you very obviously are really offended. That kind of anger doesn't come out of not really caring one way or another. You find his joke offensive. You didn't come in here starting a thread with the kind of language you're using ("indefensible") if it didn't have an emotional effect on you. And if you're emotionally engaged by it, stop denying it. At least be honest about your own reaction. Then maybe we can move on to more important questions, like whether it hurt when you had your sense of humor removed, and replaced it with a sense of righteous indignation.
And he can't even mask this as a 'strategic' issue, since nobody on either side has taken Moore seriously in years. It's like when Bill O'Reilly makes a gaffe - it doesn't hurt the GOP.
post #40 of 50
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Who is dying? Jesus Christ, this whole country is nuts.
Seriously? You mean aside from the 70 people already dead?

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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks View Post
I have never agreed with Devin as much as I do with this statement. It's a fat guy with a bad beard making a shitty joke*. Ignore it and it'll go away.
It's funny you brought that up. Because Devin does the exact same thing but with like 10000 times less vissibility. Which is why I don't get riled up about it.

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And he can't even mask this as a 'strategic' issue, since nobody on either side has taken Moore seriously in years. It's like when Bill O'Reilly makes a gaffe - it doesn't hurt the GOP.
Your argument kind of falls apart when there is a mainstream movie intended to poke fun at liberals that uses a Michael Moorish character as the protagonist coming out in just a few months. And, of course, when they use Bill O'Reilly to help them do it.

Those of us on the left may not see Michael Moore as our spokesperson, but those on the right definitely do.

I trust everyone here watched the clip, right? Because if you're still defending it, I can respect that but it would probably be better for everyone if you don't criticize the right for making the same comments in reverse.
post #41 of 50
You do realize that satire is not the same as wackjob-ness, right? If you can't criticize X because you don't criticize when Y satirizes X by doing what X does, then satire can not exist at all. Or, maybe only lame and "safe" satire can.

That's a completely untenable position.
post #42 of 50
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Originally Posted by Francis Wolcott View Post
You do realize that satire is not the same as wackjob-ness, right? If you can't criticize X because you don't criticize when Y satirizes X by doing what X does, then satire can not exist at all. Or, maybe only lame and "safe" satire can.

That's a completely untenable position.
Yes, I do understand the difference. But I question the category of this joke as satire. "A Modest Proposal" it ain't. Have you seen the clip?
post #43 of 50
If you understand the difference, then you understand context can make a distinction, so even if you don't categorize it as "satire", you accept that its not exactly on the same level as if mr. fundamentalist says so to his congregation.

And yes, I've seen the clip. I can think of several ways to make a joke with the same content that would have actually been clever, it's meh as it is... and that's pretty much all the thought patterns I can come up with in reaction to it.
post #44 of 50
Come on, we all know Gustav is just proof that God hates black people.
post #45 of 50
Please, the Republicans are woefully inadequate to handle our hurricane problems. McCain!? Land lock state. Palin? She's from fucking ALASKA! The only Hurricane's they know are the hockey teams. The only people able to handle this is Obama and Biden, they're FULL of hot air.
post #46 of 50
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they've FULL of hot air.
"They've?" Well, you definitely sound bright enough to be a Republican.
post #47 of 50
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"They've?" Well, you definitely sound bright enough to be a Republican.
Hahaha, the joke got detracted by a v <They're>
post #48 of 50
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Michael Moore ... said Gustav was a sign that there is a God because it's going to make landfall at the start of the RNC.
although i admit having not seen the segment perhaps Moore made that statement in a tone that somewhat suggests it was made in jest. that said, however, it does seen unwise.
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Keith was ready for the storm. He then went to Starbucks and randomly shouted "How dare you, Mr. Bush!" to the poor girl behind the counter.
post #50 of 50
I'm one of the New Orleans evacuees, and I'm more offended by the fact that our national attention is not on the pseudo-police state that has been enacted in St. Paul, or the actual political stances of the potential future VP; rather, we concentrate on the mock-sympathy of the Republicans at their convention ("oh, we'll briefly delay our party in a show of respect to the survivors of the event whom we ignored/mistreated three years ago!") while nearby the FBI coordinates the detention by local police forces of journalists and peaceful protesters on "conspiracy to riot" charges, and we scrutinize the personal, maternal behaviors of a woman who, by the way, once tried to stop the Interior Secretary from putting polar bears on the endangered species list. Devin's right: this country is fucking nuts.
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