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Is Sarah Palin NOT the mother?

post #1 of 474
8/31/08 at 3:53am
Thread Starter 
Bizarre story, and if true... Jesus.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...137/486/580223

For the sake of sanity, set aside the source and consider only the argument.
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post #2 of 474
8/31/08 at 3:57am
I think, as discussed in the pres thread, whether this is true or not, the dems would do well to stay the fuck away from this rumor all together. Unless it gts proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, its political poison to touch on it.
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post #3 of 474
8/31/08 at 4:01am
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I hate the conspiracy theories that demand that we, as non-experts, make judgment calls based on photos and stuff. Too much room for bullshit. Still, what a good story!
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post #4 of 474
8/31/08 at 4:03am
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Bizarre story, and if true... Jesus.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...137/486/580223

For the sake of sanity, set aside the source and consider only the argument.
She's not the first mother to, uh, "take one for the team" in this way.

I'm not a conservo, but aside from the "keeping up appearances" side of things - this whole scenario is straight out of the 1950s - I don't know that what she did indicates any sort of tremendous character flaw. It's mainly just odd and old-fashioned in this day and age.
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post #5 of 474
8/31/08 at 4:04am
Oh its delicious - Primary Colors-style delicious. Thing is though, unless Palins daughter just comes out and admits it publically, I just don't see how, if true, it's in any way proveable.

Still, if true.... fuckin hell.
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post #6 of 474
8/31/08 at 4:05am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
I think, as discussed in the pres thread, whether this is true or not, the dems would do well to stay the fuck away from this rumor all together. Unless it gts proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, its political poison to touch on it.
I'm sure this rumor will have internet legs - it isn't a career-sinking deal, but is IS rather sensational. I'm sure Faux News will paint it as some sort of ultimate sacrifice by a god-fearing, family-oriented mother.
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post #7 of 474
8/31/08 at 4:15am
Of course, while I think it's odd but overall not anything that highly remarkable, I'm sure spin would (will?) be:

- this is another example of a heroic mother doing what's best for her family

- it's a private matter that is strictly the business of the Palin's

While I think the former is a bit of a stretch - the intentions would be good but the actions would be chickenshit, I certainly agree with the latter.

The flip side is that if this were one of OBAMA'S kids:

- the deception would be another blow to Democratic credibility; how can we trust a person who would hide such a thing?

- the public NEEDS TO KNOW because details of private life indicate, uh, something important. Y'know, just like W was called on the carpet for his past indiscretions with drug use.
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post #8 of 474
8/31/08 at 4:33am
So... maybe I was wrong and that poor retard baby is getting the love and care she needs from the real mother. If true this story makes me feel better about the welfare of the little tyke.
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post #9 of 474
8/31/08 at 4:39am
Yeah, I can hear your heart bleeding from here FM.
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post #10 of 474
8/31/08 at 5:47am
It says something about the media if this story breaks into the mainstream and it isn't pursued with the same vigor as say, Anna Nicole, Jon Benet, or any other entirely empty sensational story. Talk about a ratings grabber. If there was a body buried in there somewhere, it'd be a big Law & Order episode.
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post #11 of 474
8/31/08 at 5:52am
I noticed in the official "family" pic that the downer was conspicuously absent. Though if corky wasn't born then I guess that's acceptable. I just can't believe that a governor for less than 2 years of a state in which nobody lives and who was previously the mayor of a town of less than 7000 is being sold as a potential veep. Ludicrous.
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post #12 of 474
8/31/08 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by Mad Man Mundt View Post
I just can't believe that a governor for less than 2 years of a state in which nobody lives and who was previously the mayor of a town of less than 7000 is being sold as a potential veep. Ludicrous.
You're obviously a sexist asshole[/righties]
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post #13 of 474
8/31/08 at 6:09am
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post #14 of 474
8/31/08 at 6:17am
I must say for all this talk of Palin's Milf status, the daughter now trumps in that regard.
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post #15 of 474
8/31/08 at 7:18am
Yeah last I checked MILF means Mom I'd Like to Fuck not Mom I'd Like To Firebomb.

And that would be rad if this was a total Bobby Darin situation.
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post #16 of 474
8/31/08 at 9:04am
Why wouldn't this be important if true? It would show that Palin is willing and capable of intricate schemes of deception. Not a quality that fits well with a Vice Presidency.
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post #17 of 474
8/31/08 at 9:16am
The current holder of the office excluded, of course.
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post #18 of 474
8/31/08 at 9:33am
yeah, apparently it's a trait that is looked upon positively when it comes to picking your Republican VPs
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post #19 of 474
8/31/08 at 10:18am
You know how those of us that follow politics closely knew about the Edwards affair well before the rest of the country because the Enquirer knew something was up but the MSM never picked it up because they never had any proof? And that until the MSM picked it up and Edwards admited it every Democrat in the known universe held that fleeting hope that it wasn't true and would get all redfaced and angry if someone brought it up.

This is like that. I'm not saying that it's true like the Edwards thing, I'm saying that the MSM won't touch it with a ten foot pole and that nothing will rile up a Republican like bringing it up.

I'm resting easy that the Enquirer is on the case doing all of the really unscrupulous things I could think of to prove it so that I don't have to think of them.
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post #20 of 474
8/31/08 at 10:46am
If this gets more substantiated down the road, I'll give it more weight. But for now, I'm just thinking it's a rumor. Fact is, that women Palin's age who have kids have a higher risk of Down's Syndrome children than women who have kids that are her daughter's age.
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post #21 of 474
8/31/08 at 10:53am
All I can imagine is the baby from that show Dinosaurs saying "not the momma", but as a retard of course.
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post #22 of 474
8/31/08 at 11:10am
American politics are always so much more exciting to read about than ours.

Gordon Brown couldn't be more boring if he tried.
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post #23 of 474
8/31/08 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
Why wouldn't this be important if true? It would show that Palin is willing and capable of intricate schemes of deception. Not a quality that fits well with a Vice Presidency.
Well, that and her Troopergate scandal, so at least this shows that she's got both the deception and the abuse of power thing down cold.
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post #24 of 474
8/31/08 at 11:44am
So a deceptive and power-abusing politician that has no problem being a political pawn? The ticket kinda makes a lot of sense, no?
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post #25 of 474
8/31/08 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by Daily Kos
On Friday, April 18th, 2008, Sarah and her husband Todd were in Dallas, Texas for a Republican Governor's Convention. They had been in town for three days already, but Sarah had yet to give her keynote speaker address on energy policy. Then early Friday morning at 4:00am, Sarah began leaking amniotic fluid. Instead of checking into a hospital, she instead made a call to her doctor, and delivered the keynote speech.

"I was not going to miss that speech," she says.

She rushed so quickly from the podium afterwards that Texas Gov. Rick Perry nervously asked if she was about to deliver the baby then.

The oddities only grow from here on, as instead of rushing to a Dallas medical facility that could treat a mother who's amniotic fluid has been draining for hours on end (made even more crucial due to the fact that this is occurring a full month prematurely), Sarah & Todd instead opted to... Fly all the way back from Texas to Alaska. A dangerous choice, as with each pregnancy (once again, in this case after four previous), a mother's window of labor to delivery grows shorter and shorter.

Why would she schedule her fake premature labor to coincide with her keynote speaker address in Dallas? Why not wait for a more convenient time to start pretending to leak amniotic fluid?
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post #26 of 474
8/31/08 at 12:03pm
Perhaps the daughter was actually leaking fluid, and Palin started her story then, too, to have an excuse for getting away quickly.

Not that I believe the article, what with its apostrophe's for plural's and all.
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post #27 of 474
8/31/08 at 12:03pm
Her daughter went into labor.
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post #28 of 474
8/31/08 at 12:17pm
If the daughter was going into labor at that time, she'd have to be in a facility amongst people who understood it was to be kept quiet. Therefore the timing of the labor wouldn't have to match perfectly because no one would know the exact time and date of birth except those already sworn to secrecy. If that were the case, why not just finish the speech, and then start pretending to go into labor so that an emergency departure to meet up with the daughter and medical personnel in Alaska could be implemented? Who was she pretending to leak amniotic fluid in front of at 4 a.m. and why?
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post #29 of 474
8/31/08 at 12:27pm
There are other diaries on dKos which mention stats on the likelihood of a 40-something year old woman giving birth to a baby with downs. Much more likely than someone in their 20s, for example.

And there are calls to remove these diaries as they're all speculation. Since that's what this is, speculation. I can understand since well, this woman has a resume thinner than a sheet of rice paper and the want to discredit (especially when she's so anti-choice) is rather strong - but this is rather ridiculous.

What makes it an issue for me, however is the fact that she was back on the job no more than 2-3 days AFTER giving birth. Hmmm, for a Republican with so-called family values, that just doesn't jive well.
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post #30 of 474
8/31/08 at 12:35pm
So, if she wasn't covering up her daughter getting knocked up, she was risking the health of her unborn baby for a political speech.

Nice.
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post #31 of 474
8/31/08 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by mastronikolas View Post
So, if she wasn't covering up her daughter getting knocked up, she was risking the health of her unborn baby for a political speech.

Nice.
Eggzactleee
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post #32 of 474
8/31/08 at 12:55pm
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What makes it an issue for me, however is the fact that she was back on the job no more than 2-3 days AFTER giving birth. Hmmm, for a Republican with so-called family values, that just doesn't jive well.
This is how this really should be approached. 3 days after giving birth to a kid you already knew had Down's, you're back at work.

However.... pregnant with a baby who you already knew had a birth defect, you're going to fly from Dallas to Anchorage after your water breaks a month early? Then once you've arrived in Alaska's biggest city, you're going to drive another hour to some little medical facility way out in the sticks. The less offensive possiblity is that the pregnancy was a hoax to cover for her daughter. The more offensive one ought to be pretty obvious. Hint - it isn't an abortion if God takes the Down's baby back himself.
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post #33 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
The less offensive possiblity is that the pregnancy was a hoax to cover for her daughter. The more offensive one ought to be pretty obvious. Hint - it isn't an abortion if God takes the Down's baby back himself.
That was my exact thought after reading the KOS article, that I hoped it was true that she was covering up for her daughter, because the alternative was far worse. No one would willingly put their child in such risk, for no reason, would they?

And if she was willing to do that to her own child, what the hell is she going to do with the country, if it comes down to her leading it?
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post #34 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
Hint - it isn't an abortion if God takes the Down's baby back himself.
This is a great point, which I doubt will be made elsewhere.
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post #35 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:12pm
I hope the husband is the father.
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post #36 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:16pm
Let's consider for a moment that the story is true... (which, by the way I don't buy a bit of it)

Now... Obama is trapped in his experience matters to lead stance and now McCain would have a reason to remove her from the ticket and pick someone with vast swaths of experience after getting a bunch of money from his supporters. All while taking away Obama's thunder from his acceptance speech.

So... maybe you should have hoped this came up after the convention....
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post #37 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Let's consider for a moment that the story is true... (which, by the way I don't buy a bit of it)

Now... Obama is trapped in his experience matters to lead stance and now McCain would have a reason to remove her from the ticket and pick someone with vast swaths of experience after getting a bunch of money from his supporters. All while taking away Obama's thunder from his acceptance speech.

So... maybe you should have hoped this came up after the convention....
Why? McCain either executes the mother (or daughter) of all flip-flops, throwing the MILFy Downs Baby Momma under the bus by effectively admitting during the convention that his VP choice was inadequate, or out of stubbornness he sticks with a Vice Presidential candidate who looks more and more like damaged goods with each passing moment.
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post #38 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:28pm
In the event that it were true (which I seriously doubt) the damage would be to McCain. It all leads back to judgment and temprament and putting the country first.
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post #39 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:28pm
Say, for a moment, this story is true - don't you think this would cast a lot of doubt on McCain's decision-making abilities? That he chose without having all the facts? Or, if he did know, he was okay with this kind of cover-up?

I don't think it'll play well for him, regardless of how it ends.
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post #40 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
In the event that it were true (which I seriously doubt) the damage would be to McCain. It all leads back to judgment and temprament and putting the country first.
But it IS true. Either she wasn't really pregnant, or she wanted to keep the baby and was amazingly irresponsible as a parent, or that fetus wasn't supposed to survive the trip back to Alaska. Pick any horrifying option; unless I'm overlooking something it seems like one of these things must be true, and they're all pretty damning.
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post #41 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:38pm
Back the truck up...OBAMA is taking the "experience matters" point? I feel like I must have missed something major.
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post #42 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:40pm
That wouldn't change the fact that he showed horrible judgment.
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post #43 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by The LD View Post
Back the truck up...OBAMA is taking the "experience matters" point? I feel like I must have missed something major.
Obama has been in politics for twenty years and has covered everything from community organizer to United States Senator. Palin's biggest job so far has been heading a state--for twenty months--that has the population of a major American city spread over an area that is over twice the size of Texas. Republicans defending her "experience" after laying into Obama for over a year about his inexperience relative to the other candidates in the race would be funny if it weren't so damn pathetic.
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post #44 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:54pm
I want to know where Jack Nicholson stands on this issue.
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post #45 of 474
8/31/08 at 1:57pm
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I want to know where Jack Nicholson stands on this issue.
He's just your average, horny little devil.
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post #46 of 474
8/31/08 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
I want to know where Jack Nicholson stands on this issue.
Because of the sister/mother thing or because he's autistic?
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post #47 of 474
8/31/08 at 2:07pm
This is AWESOME.
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post #48 of 474
8/31/08 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Let's consider for a moment that the story is true... (which, by the way I don't buy a bit of it)

Now... Obama is trapped in his experience matters to lead stance and now McCain would have a reason to remove her from the ticket and pick someone with vast swaths of experience after getting a bunch of money from his supporters. All while taking away Obama's thunder from his acceptance speech.

So... maybe you should have hoped this came up after the convention....
Dude. DUDE. Sometimes it sounds like you are genuinely trying to engage in a political conversation and other times you post something like this "observation".

If McCain has to dump his VP pick for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER, nevermind this one, it looks TERRIBLE for him. It is the end of his campaign, full stop. Come ON. I get that your deal is devil's advocacy but this is idiotic.
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post #49 of 474
8/31/08 at 2:15pm
Yeah, I don't buy the story personally but still bizarre.
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post #50 of 474
8/31/08 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by Eric Cordo View Post
Because of the sister/mother thing or because he's autistic?
The first one.
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