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post #1 of 700
9/1/08 at 12:27am
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New show on FX starts this wednesday.

I'm pretty pumped on a weekly dose of Ron Perlman.
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post #2 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:01am
It has Ron Perlman. If it shows up on iTunes, I'm guaranteed to watch it.
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post #3 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:03am
F/X is pretty good about that. Also, Perlman's only the tip of the iceberg with this cast. Dreamy.
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post #4 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:06am
Yeah, I saw the trailer and the rest of the cast looks pretty good. Charlie Hunnan, who I've liked since Undeclared. Mitch Pileggi. Katey Segal. Good stuff.
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post #5 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:13am
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Definitely psyched on Charlie Hunnam as the lead. i'm pretty jazzed about this show watching. Its going to be weird having a show to follow week to week after months of watching stuff on dvd.
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post #6 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:19am
I was excited about this show even before I learned that Jeff Wincott would appear in an unknown number of episodes. You can only imagine how my anticipation rose after that fact was revealed.
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post #7 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:30am
So is this supposed to be any good? I know next to nothing about it and there are ads everywhere.
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post #8 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:39am
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I assume yes. Ron Perlman & Co. as an outlaw biker gang. I'm in.
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post #9 of 700
9/1/08 at 4:40am
Also it's created by Kurt Sutter, one of the main crazy bastards behind The Shield. Who is actually married to Segal. Following in Shawn Ryan's footsepts, I guess. Really looking forward to this.
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post #10 of 700
9/1/08 at 5:11am
I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the shit.
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post #11 of 700
9/1/08 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by mediumdave View Post
It's created by Kurt Sutter
That's what sold me.

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If it shows up on iTunes, I'm guaranteed to watch it.
I've heard FX is looking to launch their own video on demand service, so it'll probably show up on there as well, saving you a few dollars in the process. Now if only they'll put up LUCKY, I'll be pig-in-shit happy.
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post #12 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:09pm
not that I inherently care too much about what critics say, but isn't it a bad sign that I have not seen any reviews (advance) for this show?
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post #13 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:22pm
I've read some reviews here and there. Mostly positive but not unanimous praise.
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post #14 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:28pm
I believe Jay Karnes, also from The Shield, is suppose to pop up on SOA. I don't know if he is a regular or just a recurring character, but good to know Dutch is keeping busy.
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post #15 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:33pm
Yep, he's gonna be recurring. Not quite a Dutch-spinoff but I'll take what I can get out of Karnes.
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post #16 of 700
9/1/08 at 1:58pm
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That's what sold me.


I've heard FX is looking to launch their own video on demand service, so it'll probably show up on there as well, saving you a few dollars in the process. Now if only they'll put up LUCKY, I'll be pig-in-shit happy.
They have a whole bunch of shit up on HULU, including some clips for Sons of Anarchy and the first 3 seasons of Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia, so I wouldn't be surprised if some full eps. of SOA showed up there as well.

I'll be watching this on Wednesday though. Second most anticipated season this fall behind the last season of The Shield.
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post #17 of 700
9/1/08 at 2:21pm
Jay Karnes couldn't possibly be doing a Dutch spin off because Dutch is getting just kidding! this season.

Spoiler
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post #18 of 700
9/1/08 at 2:49pm
is FX in HD yet?

I was just setting up my season passes for the upcoming week (a lot of TV is coming back!) and realized FX is one of the few channels that doesn't have an HD option on Comcast (virginia). I mean, even Spike is in HD, although that doesnt seem to be a very prevalent channel on most carriers.
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post #19 of 700
9/1/08 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by Fazer View Post
is FX in HD yet?
I have DirectTV and they added FXHD something like eight months ago. Still, most of the programming is in SD except the movies they air (Hellboy was in HD). I think SOA is in SD too but I'll let you know on Wednesday.
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post #20 of 700
9/1/08 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Anthony View Post
That's what sold me.


I've heard FX is looking to launch their own video on demand service, so it'll probably show up on there as well, saving you a few dollars in the process. Now if only they'll put up LUCKY, I'll be pig-in-shit happy.
Lucky was a hilarious show, and my first exposure to Craig Robinson. I'd buy that on DVD, on demand, whatever.
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post #21 of 700
9/3/08 at 1:14pm
Positive LA Times Review (relatively spoiler free) Here

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There are moments that require you not to think too hard, and some of the black humor doesn't overcome its fundamental nastiness. But on the whole, it's a superior package, intelligently constructed and handsomely executed. Hunnam, Perlman and Sagal -- a fine actress with so much more to her than Peg Bundy -- ride at the head of a large and excellent cast that includes "Sopranos" vet Drea de Matteo as Jax's drug-addicted, pregnant ex-wife; Maggie Siff (Rachel on last season's " Mad Men") as his old girlfriend; and Mark Boone Junior as a biker accountant.

Sutter gives them good scenes to play; he knows how to bury information within action and doesn't tell you everything he thinks you need to know about a character within the first hour. That alone gives you a reason to come back
Sounds good. Looking forward to checking this one out tonight.
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post #22 of 700
9/4/08 at 12:22am
I thought that was a great pilot. Love shows that just drop you into the world and let you mostly figure it out for your self. The pilot was pretty successful though in establishing the main characters and some plot threads.

So I'm guessing using the One-Niner's as one of the gangs is simply an ode to The Shield and nothing more?

Favorite part had to be the closing montage though. Especially that last shot where their looking at the baby in the nursery and Perlman steps into the shot in the background. Awesome.

And for those who want to know, it was broadcast in 16:9 HD on DirecTV.
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post #23 of 700
9/4/08 at 12:25am
See I hope the one niners thing places it in the same universe. Although Jay Karnes kinda ruins that. Also...CHARLIE FUCKING UTTER!!!
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post #24 of 700
9/4/08 at 12:35am
Somebody finally put Kim Coates in a series. His name is in the credit sequence. This makes me so happy.

Pretty good beginning. I want to see where they take this.

Katey Sagal was a revelation. Absolutely wonderful.

Loved some of the little moments, like the way Ron Perlman was gawking at the explosion, as he was getting into the truck. He totally looked like a little boy on the 4th of July.
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post #25 of 700
9/4/08 at 1:12am
So far so good.

Even though Coates didn't have a huge role tonight (though offing that one dude from the back of the truck was sweet) I'm betting he's the Paulie Walnuts of the crew. That would fit just right.

Hope Glenn Plummer is utilized more and more as the show goes on.

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So I'm guessing using the One-Niner's as one of the gangs is simply an ode to The Shield and nothing more?
I think it's more than an ode. It seems to say that this show is loosely of the same world as "The Shield." It's not a spinoff by any means, but it's sort of cool to think of what other connections might pop up here and there down the road.
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post #26 of 700
9/4/08 at 1:22am
I thought this was pretty good.

Like InTheShadows I liked the end montage a lot, especially the choice of song.
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post #27 of 700
9/4/08 at 1:25am
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Was good enough as a starter, definitely looking forward to diving deeper. Perlman stepping into frame at the end was priceless.
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post #28 of 700
9/4/08 at 1:33am
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I think it's more than an ode. It seems to say that this show is loosely of the same world as "The Shield." It's not a spinoff by any means, but it's sort of cool to think of what other connections might pop up here and there down the road.
Good point. It certainly makes it more interesting to think about and they could certainly use that in later episodes. I could be wrong, but I don't think the actor who played the gang leader ever appeared in a Shield episode, especially as a one-niner. I guess they avoided that because it would have definitively tied the worlds together.

Forgot to mention the scene where the dude with half a sac beat up the Korean Elvis. That part made me laugh.
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post #29 of 700
9/4/08 at 1:39am
My hope/feeling: they fucked with the wrong asian elvis. I expect/hope some Korean flavored blowback in their near future.

Anyway, yeah, I'll give it a chance. Between this and her cameos on The Shield, Katey Sagal has the gritty crime drama market down cold.
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post #30 of 700
9/4/08 at 5:54am
Really solid. Kinda...evenly paced, to be polite. However, I hope that that's just pilot blues like nearly every other show. Sagal was pretty badass. I love the fact that nearly all the crew is recognizable cool actors.

I thought it was interesting in Sepinwall's review ( http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/i...of_anarch.html ) where he thought that Pearlman was the weak link, actor wise. No fire, no menace. I gotta say, don't see that. Maybe he missed the last scene. Maybe he missed some dude getting shot in the throat. Maybe he's just not a fan.
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post #31 of 700
9/4/08 at 6:02am
Awesome. It's incredibly dark, but that works. They had to reshoot a lot of it with Perlman in the place of Scott Glenn to make it lighter. I can't imagine what the original pilot was like. I love the cast. Perlman is Perlman. Everyone else is great. It's annoying to see the pizza boy from AVP2 acting after that movie. I wish he had to become a civilian and deliver actual pizzas for penance. Also, Sutter has now joined Ryan and Mamet as The Three Amigos of wife casting. But Segal isn't bad.

The comedy is a little tone deaf, that may be Sutter, but it's most likely Alan Taylor. He's a genius, but his pilots always have an earnest execution. He's jumped into shows midstream that had an effective sense of dark comedy, but none of the shows he started have been funny. Fingers crossed for the Schwartzman HBO pilot.
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post #32 of 700
9/4/08 at 9:23am
Wow, a lot of positive word. I had zero desire to see this and completely forgot about it last night. I suppose I'll catch a repeat this weekend.
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post #33 of 700
9/4/08 at 11:04am
Why the lack of interest?
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post #34 of 700
9/4/08 at 11:06am
I'll have to give it a try then.
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post #35 of 700
9/4/08 at 11:11am
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Why the lack of interest?
Not entirely sure. I mean it has Perlman, which is always great, and should have sold me. I guess it just seemed kind of cheesy. Mostly the really young and pretty guy as the founder and badass of this hardcore biker gang. Just couldn't buy it in the commercials and trailers. It just seemed kind of bland and forgettable.

Of course, I also completely skipped Damages only to read about how great it was. I guess new shows on FX worry me after how bad Nip/Tuck has gotten.
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post #36 of 700
9/4/08 at 11:32am
Related but unrelated: I heard a promo for this on the radio last night, and they ran down the big cast names before getting to, "...and introducing Charlie Hunnam." "Introducing"?? I wanted to kick my radio in the nuts.
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post #37 of 700
9/4/08 at 11:37am
He's not the founder. His dad was. Now, Perlman is in charge and he's fucking the pretty boy's mom. It's kind of like Hamlet.

Since it was just the first episode, I was easily able to overlook some of the issues I had with this, pacing-wise. The cast is ostensibly great, but I'm still not quite sold on these guys being total badasses. There were some shots when they're all together in which they look like a bunch of overweight old men. But Katey Sagal was without question a hard ass.

Scott Glenn was playing Perlman's role? What happened there?
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post #38 of 700
9/4/08 at 11:52am
It wasn't a great episode but I am looking forward to the rest of the season. The cast is pretty great and it sucks that Callie and Karnes weren't in the pilot. Hopefully they get a lot of screentime when they are finally introduced. Also Kim Coates.
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post #39 of 700
9/4/08 at 12:59pm
I am also intrigued by this Scott Glenn business. I had no problems with Perlman, though.

The more I think about it, the more this thing was filled with all kinds of little details that really interested me, made me want to get to know these characters and this world more. William Lucking's character, for one. There was a great little shot of him- He had just given a testimonial in the meeting to Jacks, and how proud he was of him, how his Daddy would have been proud, then cut to them outside of the boxing ring, when Jacks mentions how he'd like to take the business legit- there is this great look on Lucking's face, a look of disbelief, disappointment.

Anyway, damn good stuff.
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post #40 of 700
9/5/08 at 6:13pm
Good start and the previews had me jazzed for the remainder episodes. It's a nice, grimey show.

I'd like to see more of Maggie Siff's tattoo. Between this and Mad Men, I'm becoming a fan.
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post #41 of 700
9/5/08 at 7:12pm
For those who missed it, the pilot is up on Hulu.
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post #42 of 700
9/6/08 at 4:00am
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I'd like to see more of Maggie Siff's tattoo. Between this and Mad Men, I'm becoming a fan.
Everyone would.

This is some pretty good shit. Although drawing the obvious comparisons to the Shield, Vic Mackey shot a cop in the pilot of the Shield. Jackson Teller couldn't kill another gang member in the pilot for Sons of Anarchy. He beat the shit out of one of the Nords, and killed the other guy, but he seems to be rather weak, relatively speaking.

Even his frickin' mom thinks he's soft. It's likely to come more into play in later episodes though.

I will definitely be following this on hulu.
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post #43 of 700
9/6/08 at 12:39pm
I Don't buy Charlie Hunman in that role. First of all his accent is horrible. And he grew up weird. He's got the right size, but doesn't look bad ass at all.

What happened to the scrunny kid in Undeclared?


The rest of the show is Ok. Perlman is aces.
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post #44 of 700
9/6/08 at 12:49pm
I really hate the way Jacks walks. It's like he's trying really hard to look cool. It bugs me, particularly in that scene where he's walking into the hospital with Perlman and buddies (who are walking normally) following behind.
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post #45 of 700
9/6/08 at 1:12pm
Not a fan of the first episode. I thought the promos were horrible and Perlman saying, "I don't care who we have to grease or kill" came off bad to me. He came off ass a shitty leader not knowing what is going on.

Drea de Mateo better be dead or it will ruin the one bright spot on the episode. Segal getting her to kill herself is awesome. But if she's alive then it was pointless.

I wanna see Dutch so it gets 3 or 4 episodes.
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post #46 of 700
9/6/08 at 1:20pm
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Drea de Mateo better be dead or it will ruin the one bright spot on the episode. Segal getting her to kill herself is awesome. But if she's alive then it was pointless.
I'm pretty sure she's dead, since she was billed as a "special guest star."
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post #47 of 700
9/6/08 at 1:38pm
I doubt she's dead, she turned up in the promo for the upcoming season. I'll bet she'll get clean, fight for custody, whatever.
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post #48 of 700
9/6/08 at 6:06pm
Great start. Although I agree that sometimes the SOA just don't seem that scary. Charlie Humman is good in the role but he might be too much of a pretty boy to totally convince. Doesn't ruin it though. I'll tune in next week.
Anyone know how it did in the ratings?
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post #49 of 700
9/6/08 at 6:12pm
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Anyone know how it did in the ratings?
Courtesy of THR:

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The seventh and final season premiere of FX's "The Shield" debuted on par Tuesday night, while the network's new series "Sons of Anarchy" got off to a modest start Wednesday.

After a 15-month absence, cop drama "Shield" returned at 10 p.m. Tuesday to an average of 2.1 million total viewers, including 1.3 million in the adults 18-49 demo, according to Live + Same Day data from Nielsen Media Research. That's even with the April 2007 sixth-season premiere.

Meanwhile, "Anarchy," the motorcycle-club drama starring Charlie Hunnam, averaged 2.5 million total viewers at 10 p.m. Wednesday against competition that included coverage of the Republican National Convention.

That was off when compared with other recent FX series premieres, including "Damages" (3.7 million in July 2007), "The Riches" (3.8 million in March 2007) and "Dirt" (3.7 million in January 2007).

However, a repeat at 11:16 p.m. averaged another 1.2 million total viewers.

In 18-49, "Sons" pulled in 1.5 million at 10 p.m. and another 817,000 for the repeat.
So it actually out performed the season premiere of The Shield in both the 18-49 demo as well as total viewers.
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post #50 of 700
9/6/08 at 6:28pm
And if you include the repeat numbers and republication convention it actually did ok.
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