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post #51 of 107
9/16/08 at 1:10am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...ion/index.html

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ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will not cooperate with a legislative investigation into the firing of her public safety commissioner, the McCain-Palin presidential campaign announced Monday, accusing supporters of Democratic rival Barack Obama of manipulating the inquiry for political motivations.

Former Palin Press Secretary Meg Stapleton told reporters in Anchorage that the investigation has been "hijacked" by "Obama operatives" for the Democratic presidential nominee -- namely, Alaska state Sen. Hollis French, the Democratic lawmaker managing the investigation and an Obama supporter. French has denied working on behalf of the Obama campaign.

The Obama campaign described Stapleton's charge as "complete paranoia." It has denied sending campaign staff to Alaska to work with the legislative committee's investigation.

McCain campaign spokesman Ed O'Callaghan said Palin will not cooperate with "that investigation so long as it remained tainted and run by partisan individuals who have a predetermined conclusion," referring to a comment by French earlier this month that the case could produce criminal charges or an "October Surprise" for the GOP ticket.

Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, is battling allegations that she and her advisers pressured then-Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire a state trooper going through a bitter custody dispute with her sister -- and that Monegan was terminated when he refused. Palin says she fired Monegan over budget issues and denies wrongdoing.
A far cry from "welcoming" the investigation.
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post #52 of 107
9/16/08 at 1:57am
spotted in a related article...



...?
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post #53 of 107
9/16/08 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL View Post
A far cry from "welcoming" the investigation.

Yep, and just a few days apart. They've given her the Bush/Cheney handbook and she's running it step by step:

"Yes, of course I'll cooperate. I have nothing to hide. Tsk tsk. I welcome the investigation."


A few days later...

"Um, on second thought, I've changed my mind. Somehow Barack Obama has more influence in my home state than I do, so I just can't trust this tainted procedure."
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post #54 of 107
9/16/08 at 9:03am
What a gutless woman. I don't get how she's so popular when she ducks everything that comes at her, hides behind being a woman, and doesn't know shit.

Only in America folks!
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post #55 of 107
9/16/08 at 1:00pm
Now if someone with some balls can ask Palin at one of these rallies why she's changing her stance. From, I have nothing to hide to not gonna cooperate. I mean someone PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Just ask her and don't let up.
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post #56 of 107
9/16/08 at 1:07pm
She doesn't take questions. At all.
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post #57 of 107
9/16/08 at 1:16pm
That's insane!! How can you be a candidate for VP and not take any fuckin questions from reporters! How can anyone with at least half a brain not see through this phony broad.
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post #58 of 107
9/16/08 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
That's insane!! How can you be a candidate for VP and not take any fuckin questions from reporters! How can anyone with at least half a brain not see through this phony broad.
"Because she's just like one of us". - Typical American

They don't care how big of a creep she is they just hear that she loves guns, hates abortion and wants to drill the crap out of Alaska and think it's all good.
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post #59 of 107
9/16/08 at 1:29pm
Also, when faced with a crisis or tough decision, she "doesn't blink." Cause, y'know, the problem with the Bush Administration is that there was too much blinking going on.


removed off-topic portion [/edit]
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post #60 of 107
9/16/08 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
That's insane!! How can you be a candidate for VP and not take any fuckin questions from reporters! How can anyone with at least half a brain not see through this phony broad.
Well why should she take questions from the press? What has the press done to merit questioning her? Why should she have to kowtow to the all mighty fourth estate?

I'm sure if someone not from the media, just regular Joe or Jill American, got to ask her questions she'd be more than willing to answer us.

Are any of us in a position to ask her questions?
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post #61 of 107
9/16/08 at 2:13pm
Sean Hannity is going to interview her, but he hardly counts as a journalist.
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post #62 of 107
9/16/08 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
Sean Hannity is going to interview her, but he hardly counts as a journalist.
That should be a laugh riot of idiocy.
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post #63 of 107
9/16/08 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Well why should she take questions from the press? What has the press done to merit questioning her? Why should she have to kowtow to the all mighty fourth estate?

I'm sure if someone not from the media, just regular Joe or Jill American, got to ask her questions she'd be more than willing to answer us.

Are any of us in a position to ask her questions?
I think were at the point that if anyone asks her a question they are asking as a Democratic supporter trying to discredit her or they are sexist in that you wouldn't dare to ask that question to a man. It's best just to let the media deal with the disaster that Palin created with Troppergate and leave her be otherwise.
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post #64 of 107
9/16/08 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
Sean Hannity is going to interview her, but he hardly counts as a journalist.
I'm sure it will no different from what I just saw...Glenn Beck and Lynn Cheney each other. It was fairly surreal as neither of them has a penis. (Truth be told, the whole Republican crowd looks to me like one gigantic fucking Bosch painting.)

Beck actually believes Palin is the "new feminine".
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post #65 of 107
9/30/08 at 3:55pm
http://www.pubrecord.org/component/c...html?task=view
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An Alaska woman who owns a company that processes workers’ compensation claims in the state has told an independent investigator that she was urged by the office of Gov. Sarah Palin to deny a benefits claim for Palin’s ex brother-in-law, a state trooper who was involved in an ugly divorce and child custody dispute with Palin’s sister, despite evidence that the claim appeared to be legitimate, according to state officials who were briefed about the conversation.

Murlene Wilkes, the proprietor of Harbor Adjusting Services in Anchorage, had originally denied that she was pressured by Gov. Palin’s office to deny state trooper Mike Wooten’s claim for workers compensation benefits.

But Wilkes changed her story two weeks ago when she was subpoenaed by Steven Branchflower, the former federal prosecutor who was appointed in July to probe allegations Gov. Palin, Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s running mate, abused her office by abruptly ousting Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, state officials knowledgeable about her conversation with Branchflower said.

Monegan has said he felt pressured by Gov. Palin, her husband, Todd, and several of her aides to fire Wooten. Branchflower’s investigation centers on whether Palin fired Monegan because he refused to fire Wooten.
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post #66 of 107
10/4/08 at 12:18am
Major drama in Alaska! Emergency Motion Filed With Supreme Court to Stop Troopergate Investigation.
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post #67 of 107
10/4/08 at 12:32am
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Well why should she take questions from the press? What has the press done to merit questioning her? Why should she have to kowtow to the all mighty fourth estate?

I'm sure if someone not from the media, just regular Joe or Jill American, got to ask her questions she'd be more than willing to answer us.
And now we know this isn't the case. Random students shouting questions to Palin now count as "gotcha" journalists.
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post #68 of 107
10/4/08 at 12:42am
No disrespect to the state supreme court up there. But I can't even fathom what the legal world is like up there. I mean is it all oil and gas law up there?
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post #69 of 107
10/4/08 at 1:49am
According to Chuck Todd the Court of Appeals there is the bane of conservatism everywhere. of course, it won't get there because this is purely a state matter.
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post #70 of 107
10/4/08 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post

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“The plaintiffs and Alaskans will suffer irreparable harm if the investigation at issue continues and if the resulting investigative report issues as planned on Oct. 10, 2008,” the lawyers for the anti-investigation state legislators said in their emergency appeal."
Ha ha. Is that a threat?
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post #71 of 107
10/6/08 at 11:16am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_132116.html

Seven aides will testify before legislature.
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post #72 of 107
10/9/08 at 10:03pm
Troopergate shall proceed apace

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...S7328&refer=us

It looks like the seven people alluded to above along with Todd Palin all have, miraculously, the same story which is supposed to be confidential but, you know, released to the press by the campaign. The story is that Todd Palin, alone and of his own volition, availed himself of the normal channels one would use to complain about a Trooper.

We'll see how well that story flies.
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post #73 of 107
10/10/08 at 12:31am
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/20..._report_cl.php

Doggone it, it seems Palin is innocent of all wrong doing.
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post #74 of 107
10/10/08 at 12:41am
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/20..._report_cl.php

Doggone it, it seems Palin is innocent of all wrong doing.
Love this quote.....

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The McCain campaign says the investigation has become "muddied with innuendo, rumor and partisan politics."
Glad some investigators with no dog in the hunt took over the investigation.
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post #75 of 107
10/10/08 at 6:12am
In case you were wondering if Sarah Palin being a lying vicious bitch is a new phenomenon, she didn't just learn it while campaigning with McCain.
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post #76 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:54am
I was just reading the AP article on this on MSNBC and I love how it starts out:

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Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.
Yes, you clear yourself of any wrongdoing. Why doesn't everyone just do that?

And that video is great. It's kind of ridiculous that she goes from "I'm giving you a position on this board for being really good at X" to "I fired him because he's not very good at X."
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post #77 of 107
10/10/08 at 1:40pm
<bangs head>

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ate_report.php

Two things... the report will only be released if the committee that instigated it releases it. That committee is 10-4 Republican.

Sarah Palin, after stating she would not participate in this investigation, is now upset that she was never interviewed for it.

</bangs head>
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post #78 of 107
10/10/08 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
<bangs head>

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ate_report.php


Sarah Palin, after stating she would not participate in this investigation, is now upset that she was never interviewed for it.

</bangs head>
Holeeee shit. I'm sitting here mouth agape reading this...

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Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, tried to preemptively discredit the report, telling the ADN that it won't be comprehensive because Branchflower didn't interview Palin or her chief of staff, Mike Tibbles.

"They didn't even try to interview the governor. You want to know why she reassigned Monegan, it would be nice to talk to her. They didn't even try," Van Flein said. "It's a report that's going to be half-done at best. And anything that's half-done will likely be half-baked."
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post #79 of 107
10/10/08 at 9:48pm
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html

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ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin abused her power as Alaska's governor in the firing of her public safety commissioner, but violated no laws, a report for the state Legislature concluded Friday.

Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan's refusal to fire Palin's ex-brother-in-law from the state police force was "likely a contributing factor" to Monegan's July dismissal, but Palin had the authority as governor to dismiss him, the report by former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower states.
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post #80 of 107
10/10/08 at 9:49pm
Guilty.
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post #81 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:11pm
Errr... guiltyish. I would have liked it if there was some measure of punishment.
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post #82 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:16pm
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I find that, although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.
Won't have an impact at all, I don't think many people care about this one bit to be quite honest.
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post #83 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:17pm
Which is why I said guiltyish.
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post #84 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:29pm
You should be in a jury and say that when the judge asks you for the verdict.

"Your honor, we find the defendant guiltyish on all charges."
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post #85 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:32pm
During voire dire I tell lawyers that I see justice in shades of grey. I have yet to serve on a jury.
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post #86 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:34pm
Hey, she broke the law. And a pretty significant one, at that. And who the fuck elected Todd Palin? These people blow my mind.
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post #87 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
Hey, she broke the law. And a pretty significant one, at that.
I don't think that's what they're saying (the report).
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post #88 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:42pm
It is substantively significant, but it seems like nothing will come of it. The wording isn't strong enough to bring legal action and the McCain campaign will shrug it off.
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post #89 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:45pm
Cover-up is worse than the crime, in this case. Although I'd argue that she's still totally Nixonian. She broke the public trust. It is in Alaska's law book. There is no real punishment for it because the damage she does to her office is softer than say, killing a bunch of people.
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post #90 of 107
10/10/08 at 10:55pm
10 Republicans and 4 Democrats on the committee. Huge portions of this report will be kept confidential. It seems pretty obvious that all the efforts of the McCain campaign paid off, but still: ABUSE. OF. POWER.
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post #91 of 107
10/10/08 at 11:29pm
At least it's put into play before the election. I don't see Obama using it personally, but his surrogates might toss it out. For all her flaws, the Obama campaign has pretty much ignored her.
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post #92 of 107
10/11/08 at 2:35am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Won't have an impact at all, I don't think many people care about this one bit to be quite honest.
You don't think this will have any impact at all?
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post #93 of 107
10/11/08 at 2:45am
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Originally Posted by Subotai View Post
You don't think this will have any impact at all?
It won't.

It'll get a couple of days of play, but it won't go any further than that. It's too nebulous and most people don't understand or care about the story. The ones that do have already made up their minds about Palin one way or the other and this won't change it.
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post #94 of 107
10/11/08 at 3:10am
Palin's only real strength has been the fact that she's such an unknown that the right can make her out to be whatever they want. She's a maverick, a real conservative that the left-wing media is afraid of and out to get, etc... The more shit like this comes out, the less they can act like she's not just a small-minded, small-town politician whose stock has risen way higher than it ever deserved.

Even if this only hits in the news cycle for a few days, undecideds aren't going to miss "violation of state ethics law", and "abuse of power". It's not going to be a game-changer (god, this campaign has made me come to hate that expression) but it's certainly another nail in the coffin.
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post #95 of 107
10/11/08 at 7:23am
Unless she's ordered to appear in court and some form of penalty is bestowed upon her, nothing will come of this other than a few 527 ads.
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post #96 of 107
10/11/08 at 7:28am
The term 'maverick' is REALLY starting to get on my tits.

Don't these people own a Thesaurus?
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post #97 of 107
10/11/08 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Graham View Post
The term 'maverick' is REALLY starting to get on my tits.

Don't these people own a Thesaurus?
it's about branding.
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post #98 of 107
10/11/08 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
it's about branding.
...if only...
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post #99 of 107
10/11/08 at 1:28pm
Well, it may not hurt her now, but it might hurt her in Alaska politics. She's now tainted and corrupt, and not much better than Ted Stevens.
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post #100 of 107
10/11/08 at 1:37pm
Obviously I don't know anything about Alaska politics, but I don't think this would be seen in the same light as Steven's scandal. Specially when people can at least relate to some level with wanting to get rid of a scumbag as that trooper seems to be.
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