Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 - Page 3

Or she's a Resistance fighter from the future. Oooooh.

True. But even the Terminators in the show seem to have a lot of extra programming past the regular "seek & destroy".

Hmmm, you may be onto something there.

Cameron did assess her threat level. Who we gonna believe?

But she didn't know! Because, you know, Girls are tricky! Those clever writers!

She's way too friendly to the creepy loner guy with the homemade haircut and fresh cuts and scrapes to be just some interested chick. I say they take off and nuke the school from the future, it's the only way to be sure.

Nah she's just a part of John's new rebel period. He picked the first and best to spite his mom.

That was so stupid.

Cameron says something really important to John, but Sarah couldn't hear, even though she's 5 feet away? And he didn't tell her?

The power plant guy couldn't see Sarah, even though she was hiding behind a door with a window in it?

The new girl subplot sucks. Wouldn't Cameron detect that she's a terminator?
If she isn't, then why does she stay at the new guy's house after only one day and makes him some crappy robot!

As mentioned above, there are way too many terminators.

The only good part was Bear Mcready's music, and even that pales in comparison to his Battlestar work.

Well they kinda have. In the season 1 premiere, the resistance had built that time displacement machine in the bank vault and it was just sitting there unused for 50 years until Cameron brought Sarah and John to it. And then there's Derek and his 3 colleagues who had that stash house filled with money and guns. They weren't necessarily there for Sarah. Their mission was to track down a list of guys who were the possible creators of skynet. Speaking of which, doesn't Sarah have that list now? Why isn't she taking on that mission?

Oh but you see, either Cameron is still slightly malfunctioning or she has her own secret motives. Or the new girl is as other have pointed out "female" and therefore "hard to read" ... being that she's a super-advanced Terminator that has programmed memories or something.

Or yeah, she's just some chick. Maybe someone else will use her against John.

Well, it would seem like the new Resistance guy only knew about the new place because John knew about it and was able to use that in the future. Thus, shouldn't Future John also know that more supplies at this present point would be helpful and send guys to do that? Unless Future him knows that it isn't going to help because he needs to learn how to do it on his own? Or that that is not how his past played out.

Wow, it's like Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.

Tangent. What was the deal with that metal capsule that erupted from New Resistance Guy's chest as he appeared?

The second episode drew in less than 6 million viewers, which is really down from the average of 10 million last season. Once Dancing with the Stars, Chuck and CBS comedies come back on the air Chronicles will be really fucked in the ratings.

I think he was shot just as he entered the time machine. Could be wrong though.

A slo-mo exit wound on broadcast TV? It was my first impression, but I doubt the FCC would let that through-- especially in Scene One.

I might have thought that too if a guy getting shot in the head on screen complete with squib wasn't just shown a few weeks ago on Prison Break. I think the censors are just getting a little soft.

It is a slow mo exit wound. Watch it on hulu, you can see the bullet exit from his chest.

Which makes me wonder, why it was a bullet instead of an energy weapon hit. Of course, that would probably kill him outright.

Sadistic robots.

Yeesh, Fox.

Umm, she is... the TURK, remember?

The list was of suspects. She found the guy on the list they were looking for (David Silver killed him too!) - no need to track down the rest.

They got detoured for a week by a guy who travelled through time to eat a bullet, but now they're after a chess-playing computer and trying to stop Garbage from ever doing another concert tour... but it's the same mission.

I bet the TERMINATOR crew haaaaaates PRISON BREAK. The stink from that show is killing this one. They were so close to getting paired with 24, and instead they got its ugly, dumb and obnoxious little brother.

I think the TURK plot is sidelined for awhile (in terms of Sarah looking for it). We gotta watch John fall in love!

No matter how stupid some of the story is, I'm just hooked on this show. Totally loved tonights ep... Michelle looking like Sarah Connor in the jeep from T2... the mousetrap... John ditching Cameron to hang out with his special lady friend (nice rack!)... I particularly liked that John didn't need to be saved. He took care of Chrome Artie himself (even though I think the clothes switcheroo was stupid).

"John? It's your mother, not a Terminator. I want you to meet me at a very crowded place where it will be very hard to locate you and easy for you to get away... not because I want to kill you."

Terminators are idiots, and lousy swimmers.

"I'm a Terminator who took the place of an actor who is all over the news being blamed for my massacre of a lot of feds. I stand around in big public places and no one notices me. That's why we Terminators destroy you idiots."

Yeah, that was dumb. Not one person at the pier recognized him.
Maybe next week?

Fantastic episode. Lots of fun.

If I try to remember last night's episode, I guess I'd conclude it was stupid. But damn did I enjoy watching it at the time.

Yeah, like I said, you can pull apart the show (Mike and Kim are spot on), but the show is too much fun to care.

Watching Heroes and TSCC in the same day really makes you appreciate how good this show is, comparatively speaking. TSCC has plot quibbles too (like those mentioned above), but the execution is far too enjoyable to worry about them (usually, it can be hit and miss though).

I don't understand why they don't at least put some cool shades and a more Terminator-like outfit on Chromartie!

Now that was a fun episode. Totally agree on some of the minor plot problems, but the episode at least has some resonance in a positive aspect. Heroes sucks ass, this show is better, so translation? This show will probably get canceled. I hope not.

Don't get too attached people:

www.ew.com

Question: How bad are the ratings for Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles? -- Dean

Ausiello: Armageddon-like? An SCC insider tells me that if the show's numbers don't start to climb, Fox is unlikely to order any additional episodes beyond the 13 currently in the pipeline. At Saturday's EW pre-Emmy bash, Thomas Dekker remained hopeful that they could hold off doomsday at least until the end of football season. "We¹re up against Monday Night Football," he sighed, "which is tricky because we have a lot of football fans."

I'm so torn on this show. I wan't to free up some time and stop watching it, buy I can't. Unfortunately, the weaknesses of this show are what's going to kill it.

Remember when you watched T1 or T2, and you felt genuine fear when the T-800 and T-1000 were on screen? That's what this show lacks. Sweet jesus, when are you going to terminate someone, Terminator? They need to change the name of the show to:

The MacGuyverinator: You set up an elaborate trick to drag the humans you don't need to worry about away from your prey...

and then you leave them to walk back? The Abandonator.

You blow up a cell tower and disable their car. Ever think of walking in as the indestructible robot you are, and KILL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAPPED WITH NO WHERE TO GO? The Tag-your-it-inator.

And after all that planning, instead of sending him somewhere to be a target, you tell him to go to a hugely populated area, and then stand in the middle of everyone so he can see you first. The Obviousinator.

AAAaaand, I am SURE you defied your programming logic and jumped into the water, instead of waiting until John has to leave the ocean, or just shoot him from the pier! The Flat-out-Dumbinator.


I know the limits of television are hindering what they can do and cant do, but I refuse to believe they couldn't make this show a little bit smarter.

As far as the future sending weapons back, wasn't there something about not be able to send metal back through the time portals? The bots had to be flesh covered or was that changed in one of the movies? I think the machine that was built in the bank was put together with today's tech.

I'm liking the new season. It's disappointing it's not doing well in the ratings, though.

I think others have mentioned, "Why not just send back a futuristic gun wrapped in skin." ... or better yet, whatever liquid metal the T-1000's are made of ... that can simulate skin.

Because nobody would pull a Cronnenberg on TV.

Just caught up with this season yesterday....Shirley Manson is stopping the show in its tracks everytime she comes on screen. She keeps doing stupid fucking pauses and her eyebrows are dancing everytime she speaks. Why the fuck did they get a Scottish defunct Brit-Pop singer anyway? She's sticking out like a sore thumb. GAH.

I think they've struggled with figuring out what to do with Ellison's character now, too.

really enjoyed last night's episode, but I'm horribly confused. So Let me get this straight. John Connor thinks he created Cameron. But Cameron is actually an infiltrator Terminator that took the form of Alison Young, a resistance fighter. Which means she was created by the robots. But there is a slight chance that she enters John's camp in the future and John is able to rewire her to actually be good, and warps her back to the present time.

But currently in present time we do not know if Cameron is really good or not. But we do know that Cameron remembered part of her past.

I think so - (present) Cameron was confusing herself with the information she got from interrogating Alison Young, so she thought she was Alison? Then she snapped back to Cameron at the end.

Cameron says that there's some who don't want all the humans dead and want peace, which is why she wanted to take the form of Alison to get close to Connor. If that's the case why does she want to kill Connor? Wasn't that her primary objective when she went nuts after the carbomb?

This show won't last long. Sweeps at the most.

She was lying. It was just an interrogation tactic, since the truth ("Tell me where your friends are so I can kill them") probably wouldn't work. For a second I thought she might actually be telling the truth as well, so it made for good tension.

That was a really interesting episode. Sarah's B-story was a bit dull, but Summer carried the episode well. It'll be a shame if this gets cancelled, it's tackling some interesting angles on this world that a 2-hour action movie can't.

Did anybody else get super creeped-out when Cameron/Allison was escaping from that aircraft carrier and she ran through that room that had humans in cages along with other animals (apes, tigers)?

And is it just me or does Shirley Manson look really weird now?

Essentially, Skynet would target humans alive in the future and capture them to create infiiltration units they could send back into John Conners camp. Cameron used Alison Young as a template to create her infiltration personality. So she was Alison Young until John Conner found out she was a robot and reprogrammed her and sent her back to help him in the past.

I really enjoyed the episode!
Although, I thought the intricate infiltration plan (with all it's carefully thought out details of human emotions and memories) would be all for naught. As soon as she steps anywhere near the tons of dogs that are sure to be surrounding John for his protection ... that plan would be blown. As I'm sure it was.

& yeah, TURBO ... Manson was looking especially "off" or something in this one. I dunno. But her accent doesn't bother me.

So what's with her daughter. Is she emotionally withdrawn because her mother has been replaced with a cold-hearted T-1000? Or is she REALLY interested in colouring, or whatever she was doing.

I'm assuming that what happens to John in present day affects him in the future so the whole Alison infiltration plan was a bust from the start. As soon as John saw Alison return from being captured he knew she was an infiltration unit because he had already met her in past.

But Lorraine and George McFly didn't recognize their son as the guy they had met in High School! So the Machines at least had precedence.

& did anyone else wonder why Cameron was even facing possible charges by the supermarket in the first place? As far as anyone knew she had some sort of medical episode in the store and knocked over some watermelons. Is that a jailable offense now? She should sue!

This show needs to focus more on John and Derek. They're the only interesting ones left. Well, there was Ellison but he seems to be relegated to this stupid T-1000 storyline. Sarah and Cameron are just so boring whenever they're on screen that I'm really starting to completely lose interest in the show.

Where was Derek this week? Presumably off fighting Terminators so the rest of the cast could get some rest, and character development?

I did like how all of the subplots worked the theme of mothers and children.

I'm just assuming that Manson's daughter is a machine too.

Great episode, have some questions though.

1- So the terminators managed to capture JC's girlfriend in the future, but as far as I can tell they already had an Allison clone/infiltrator at this point. How is that possible?

2 - How did Cameron have such specific memories of Allison, like jumping off that carrier etc? Cameron was no where near her at that point.

What I would have loved to see was Allison being captured in the future and the machines turning her into a terminator, preserving some of her brain maybe. That would explain the memories and the fact that she's an "unknown model".

That would humanize her a lot more.

1. The infiltration unit didn't take Allison's form until they had captured her, hence all the scenes with the voice talking to Allison because the terminator didn't have a skin. I'm not sure how you figure one existed before that scene.

2. Its possible the infiltration unit's AI is wired to, after receiving as much infornation from the victum, extrapolate the possible reactions to situation that person might encounter, as they are suppose to completely take over their lives unnoticed. Cameron experienced Allison's escape as she thought Allison would and, because we see it from Cameron's memory not Allison's, we don't know what happened to Allison when she escaped.