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McCain/ Obama Revealed on CNN

post #1 of 19
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Did anybody else watch this?

They were both balanced, insightful looks into the rise of both as men and as Presidential candidates. While viewing it was also the moment when I truly realized that Obama really doesn't stand a chance to win this election.

McCain's life story is pretty straight forward and, for lack of a better word, interesting. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that he is an American hero and has been one of her better servants. His is a story that is going to connect with middle America more than any other. Even in his failings (his first marriage, the Keating five scandal) he comes accross more as a relatable man who makes mistakes.

Obama's story, on the other hand is more complicated and narratively complex. From his mixed race heritage to his faith, the picture painted is that of discovery and nuance. A person who is policy minded and truly wants to help the underpriviledged.

It is this complexity, I fear, that is going to cause a disconnect with the "common voter" and ultimately cost him the election.

Obama is a man of ideas, a man of policy. But he is a man that can be lacking when it comes to personal interest. That was his downfall when he went up against Bobby Rush for the Democratic primary for State Rep to Bobby Rush in 2000. That is when Obama learned that winning in the arena of politics hinges on many trivial matters, such as the cult of personality.

He has since done an admirable job of re-branding himself, but I don't think it is enough to change his convoluted, yet admirable past.

We live in a country that has an increasingly short attention span. If they don't hear what they want to in the span of a handful of minutes they tend to tune out.

Watching Obama's story tonight I can see a lot of people doing just that.

They aren't going to care about what a legendary figure his father was in Kenya, nor are they going to care about his mother's struggles. They are going to see a hippy and a foreigner and the son that they "abandoned" to live with his grandparents.

McCain on the other hand has a history that is, while admirable, one that can be written on the back of a matchbook: Son of military officers, served country, was captured and acted nobly in the face of danger, became a public servant.

There was a moment during the 2004 election that I realized that John Kerry had no chance of winning the election; it was during his acceptance speech when he described jumping off of his yacht to save his daughter's hamster.

I knew that story would help strengthen the GOP image of an elite East Coast liberal. It did just that in spades.

I feel the same disconnect for Obama's personal story. It just isn't "sexy" or simple enough for podunk America to accept.

Add to this problem, the Sarah Palin "reality entertainment" aspect of this election and it just exacerbates the problem.

America will vote for the man's personality over policies. They have proven that over the last eight years.
post #2 of 19
Sounds interesting. Are they going to reair this?
post #3 of 19
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It's repeating at 11PM this evening, but be prepared to spend 3 hours for both stories.

ETA: Unless you have TIVO or another DVR.
post #4 of 19
I watched McCain one, it was very well done. I actually wanted to buy his book after watching it.

(it was also funny seeing Daschle with those red glasses, wtf?)

Only caught Obama's toward the end, so will have to catch it again.

Next weekend they're going to have a Palin/Biden ones ready too. I don't know much about Biden's background, so I'm very curious about that one.
post #5 of 19
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I don't know if I can stand to watch (Biden/Palin), but I know I will.
post #6 of 19
McCain's is on right now.

EDIT - back to the original points made, it makes a lot of sense, but don't you think the general disapproval for Bush and the whole party's line of thinking may be enough to push Obama over the top? I kind of feel like that if Obama is the idealist, the guy with the new, radical way of thinking that it'd be exactly what's going to grab attention and make voters swoon. Especially since McCain is the posterboy for traditionality and conservatism.
post #7 of 19
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Crap, it's that late already? It repeats again at 3AM for anyone with TIVO.
post #8 of 19
Watching McCain now, but my TV says Larry King is on next. When does the Obama one air? The info blurbs just say "News/Business". I guess I'll just set it to tape all and see what comes of it tomorrow.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by JGButler View Post
McCain's is on right now.

EDIT - back to the original points made, it makes a lot of sense, but don't you think the general disapproval for Bush and the whole party's line of thinking may be enough to push Obama over the top? I kind of feel like that if Obama is the idealist, the guy with the new, radical way of thinking that it'd be exactly what's going to grab attention and make voters swoon. Especially since McCain is the posterboy for traditionality and conservatism.
I really don't know. The democrats should win this election based on the issues. They should win it based on personality. They should win it based on the law of averages. They should win it by a simple majority of the electorate acting in rational self-interest. But it's going to be close, for reasons that completely baffle me.
post #10 of 19
Well, a majority of Americans have proven themselves to be completely stupid and uninformed motherfuckers, so I'm not really surprised to see such a close election. I want to like McCain and he really has led an interesting life worthy of respect. That's why it's so sad to see him sell out so hard.
post #11 of 19
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That's why it's so sad to see him sell out so hard.
Exactly. I just finished watching the McCain special and if I had been older than 11 and into politics in 1992 I would have adored John McCain. He used to do things his own way and he just seems to be defeated and catering to the voters now.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
While viewing it was also the moment when I truly realized that Obama really doesn't stand a chance to win this election.
It might be a little early for the Franklin Mint to start mass-pressing Obama inaugural coins but...

http://electoral-vote.com/
post #13 of 19
Specially when it includes so many polls that are ancient.
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post #15 of 19
That's actually pretty funny.
post #16 of 19
I want a t-shirt
post #17 of 19
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Specially when it includes so many polls that are ancient.
Unless I'm reading it wrong, most of the polls appear to be from August, a few from July and a few from September. Given how volatile polling results are during the conventions, I think they're probably more reliable than more recent numbers.
post #18 of 19
There are quite a few older than a month, and considering 2 conventions and VP selections, these polls don't reflect major campaign events.

Some are even from Feb, but then again those seem to be states that are not close at all so maybe that doesn't matter much in the first place.
post #19 of 19
Dude, seriously, you made me go back and check for this? According to the pop-up windows over the U.S. electoral map, well over HALF of the polls are from just last month. The rest are mostly either from July or September. Only three or four go back to January or February and those are pretty heavily-leaning blue states that most likely aren't going red.
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