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Bob Woodward: New Secret Technology is winning Iraq

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I just saw a clip of this guy on 60 minutes talking about some secret technology that allows the US military to have the ability to JUST target a single terrorist leader.

He compared this invention to the creation of the tank.

Does any one have an idea of what it is?
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Is that Rip Taylor?
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You don't know Walter Mercado?
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I don't know much about Puerto Rican astrology, Cap. I had to wiki him.

Any guess about the new technology? I think that the new technology has something to do with cell phones.

Maybe the Dark Knight wasn't science fiction!
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It's the gun from Runaway.
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Bob Woodward on 60 Minutes almost reveals Government Secret of how we are killing insurgents and terrorists in Iraq
September 8th, 2008 · No Comments
On 60 Minutes yesterday, Bob Woodward discussed some fascinating news about how we have been so successful in Iraq:

But beyond all of that, Woodward reports, for the first time, that there is a secret behind the success of the surge: a sophisticated and lethal special operations program.

“This is very sensitive and very top secret, but there are secret operational capabilities that have been developed by the military to locate, target, and kill leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq, insurgent leaders, renegade militia leaders. That is one of the true breakthroughs,” Woodward told Pelley.

“But what are we talking about here? It’s some kind of surveillance? Some kind of targeted way of taking out just the people that you’re looking for? The leadership of the enemy?” Pelley asked.

“I’d love to go through the details, but I’m not going to,” Woodward replied.

The details, Woodward says, would compromise the program.

“For a reporter, you don’t allow much,” Pelley remarked.

“Well no, it’s with reluctance. From what I know about it, it’s one of those things that go back to any war, World War I, World War II, the role of the tank, and the airplane. And it is the stuff of which military novels are written,” Woodward said.

“Do you mean to say that this special capability is such an advance in military technique and technology that it reminds you of the advent of the tank and the airplane?” Pelley asked.

“Yeah,” Woodward said. “If you were an al Qaeda leader or part of the insurgency in Iraq, or one of these renegade militias, and you knew about what they were able to do, you’d get your ass outta town.”

Bob Woodward discusses this further in the Washington Post:

Beginning in the late spring of 2007, the U.S. military and intelligence agencies launched a series of top-secret operations that enabled them to locate, target and kill key individuals in groups such as al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Sunni insurgency and renegade Shia militias, or so-called special groups. The operations incorporated some of the most highly classified techniques and information in the U.S. government.

Senior military officers and officials at the White House urged against publishing details or code names associated with the groundbreaking programs, arguing that publication of the names alone might harm the operations that have been so beneficial in Iraq. As a result, specific operational details have been omitted in this report and in “The War Within.”

But a number of authoritative sources say the covert activities had a far-reaching effect on the violence and were very possibly the biggest factor in reducing it. Several said that 85 to 90 percent of the successful operations and “actionable intelligence” had come from the new sources, methods and operations. Several others said that figure was exaggerated but acknowledged their significance.

Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the commander of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) responsible for hunting al-Qaeda in Iraq, employed what he called “collaborative warfare,” using every tool available simultaneously, from signal intercepts to human intelligence and other methods, that allowed lightning-quick and sometimes concurrent operations.

Asked in an interview about the intelligence breakthroughs in Iraq, President Bush offered a simple answer: “JSOC is awesome.
Alright it has to be the bat sonar from the Dark Knight. Nolan is a genius. Any one here have a legit guess? If it is just the ability to locate someone by cell phone then I'd be very disappointed/
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Like I said in the elections thread. It's Metal Gear. Or maybe the Pentagon actually made that "Gay Bomb" that was discussed a few years back.
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“Yeah,” Woodward said. “If you were an al Qaeda leader or part of the insurgency in Iraq, or one of these renegade militias, and you knew about what they were able to do, you’d get your ass outta town.”

We must be sending Amy Winehouse on tour there.
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So that's where Bruce Campbell been all this time.
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Maybe the secret weapon is Woodward saying there's a secret weapon.
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Ni.
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Good Christ.
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I think it moved while I was watching that.
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I think it moved while I was watching that.
Yep. I had to change into a pair of sweatpants.
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Thats a gun that demands a zombie movie. The amount of damage it causes reminds me of shooting a Browning .50 cal.
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I saw Biden on Meet the Press (I think) the morning that the Woodward interview ran. He was asked about the success of the surge, and how it has allowed the draw-down that Obama has long supported (seriously, what the fuck people? Obama gets the question of a time horizon exactly right, McCain was exactly opposed, and yet no one seems willing to mention this). Biden responded that it wasn't really the number of troops committed in the surge, but rather 'new tactics' being used by special forces units. I imagine he is referring to the same mysterious technology that Woodward alluded to.

My money would be on this horrifying evil fucker.

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I saw Biden on Meet the Press (I think) the morning that the Woodward interview ran. He was asked about the success of the surge, and how it has allowed the draw-down that Obama has long supported (seriously, what the fuck people? Obama gets the question of a time horizon exactly right, McCain was exactly opposed, and yet no one seems willing to mention this). Biden responded that it wasn't really the number of troops committed in the surge, but rather 'new tactics' being used by special forces units. I imagine he is referring to the same mysterious technology that Woodward alluded to.

My money would be on this horrifying evil fucker.

Honestly, my bet is on some stealth machine. Not the one above, but something like it. Something quieter and smaller.
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What is THAT thing? Did Dr. Charles Luther go into the Aibo business?
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It's one of the scariest things in real life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuKu_GQwXc
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Oh, heebie-jeebies. I can't wait for that to come prancing after me with an acetylene torch attachment/sawblade shooter upgrade after the machine uprising heats up.
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Look how they kick the robot in the video, you can sense the resentment in the robot's ... er ... legs, revenge on humanity will be brutal.
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So we know it's some kind of technical thing and it is used to get to a specific target in a group and it's compared to the breakthrough of the tank and airplane! hmmmm...

maybe it's a small robotic insect that can be equipped with a small explosive device and find a person through face recognition? Or it's simply equipped with a small laser that can "paint" the target for aerial attacks.

I saw some show about this a while back, and the idea is you let a whole swarm of these things loose (they look like real insects) and they will by themselves fly around and enter buildings searching for individuals that are stored in their database.
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I saw some show about this a while back, and the idea is you let a whole swarm of these things loose (they look like real insects) and they will by themselves fly around and enter buildings searching for individuals that are stored in their database.
I'm trying to think of ways that this could go wrong, but I'm drawing a blank.
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I was researching modern warfare tactics used in the war on terror last year and I kept finding references to this new secret technology, but I didn't get a lot of answers obviously.

About all I was able to figure out for sure was that it was unmanned and/or remotely operated. A lot of variations on what Bitches Leave said.
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My bet is still surveillance though. The NSA's ECHELON network basically embodies every exaggerated conspiracy theory you've ever heard - but it's there.
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Robotic Flight, Miniturization and Weaponization R&D and Implementation: $1.3 billion

Face Mapping and Recogntiion Software:
$700 million

Mosquito Netting?
Priceless
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Originally Posted by Bob Woodward View Post
Beginning in the late spring of 2007, the U.S. military and intelligence agencies launched a series of top-secret operations that enabled them to locate, target and kill key individuals in groups such as al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Sunni insurgency and renegade Shia militias, or so-called special groups.
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I'm going to make a wager about what I think Woodward is talking about, and I'll be curious to see what Danger Room readers have to say. I believe he is talking about the much ballyhooed (in defense geek circles) "Tagging, Tracking and Locating" program; here's a briefing on it from Special Operations Command. These are newfangled technologies designed to track people from long distances, without the targeted people realizing they are being tracked. That can theoretically include thermal signatures, or some sort of "taggant" placed on a person. Think Will Smith in Enemy of the State. Well, not so many cameras, maybe.
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/0...the-milit.html
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cellphones + GPS + guided missile
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cellphones + GPS + guided missile
I think it's bigger than that. This would still require them to track them down in the first place, and they need some kind of confirmation before sending a missile. Besides the collateral damage is too big.
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cellphones + brain cancer inducing super-antenna ?
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Somebody call Tom Clancy
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So five years ago you were offering farmers bounties for prisoners and now you're doing this? Bit of a tactical 180, doncha think?
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So five years ago you were offering farmers bounties for prisoners and now you're doing this? Bit of a tactical 180, doncha think?
We're mavericks.
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Maybe the government finally found those soldiers of fortune who went into the Los Angeles underground and made a deal with them after being framed for crimes they didn't commit.

Yes, I mean these guys:
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Very entertaining thread.
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If not killer robots, then it's probably some sort of all-pervasive surveillance. Cameras mounted on houseflies that have had their brains hardwired to the Pentagon? Whatever it is, it won't be too long till it's unleashed on the domestic front. Spies! Spies everywhere!

I actually don't think this would be a bad idea, if handled through traditional legal channels (make a case, get a warrant, engage in surveillance).
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If not killer robots, then it's probably some sort of all-pervasive surveillance. Cameras mounted on houseflies that have had their brains hardwired to the Pentagon? Whatever it is, it won't be too long till it's unleashed on the domestic front. Spies! Spies everywhere!
Well, I hope that isn't the plan, for the Pentagon's sake. I've already come up with two anti-surveillance ploys already.

Dogshit and that thin space between the screen and the window sash.
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Same old shit Rumsfeld "invented" in 2001/2002, or more precisely, borrowed from rules of engagement of German SS units.
"Der Tod ist ein Meister aus Deutschland"


'Hunter-Killer' Teams

In our Jan. 17 issue, EIR reported that Rumsfeld was attempting to take parts of the U.S. Special Operations Forces (SOF) and turn them into "hunter-killer" teams modelled on the Vietnam-era "Phoenix" assassination program. Various sources had reported intense opposition, within the uniformed military, to Rumsfeld's scheme; the Joint Chiefs of Staff did not want to see their special forces turned into assassination squads.
At the center of Rumsfeld's plans was the reactivation of the Army's Iran/Contra-era Intelligence Support Activity (ISA), now operating under the name of "Grey Fox." According to a number of recent reports, Grey Fox has been spearheading the search for Saddam Hussein and his family, under the broader umbrella of "Joint Special Operations Task Force 20," which also includes Navy Seals, the Army's Delta Force, and 106th Special Operations Aviation Regiment.

The first public implementation of the Rumsfeld policy was the killing of six men—one allegedly an al-Qaeda leader—in Yemen last November, when a U.S. rocket destroyed their automobile travelling in the desert.
Now, with the unnecessary killing—rather than capturing—of Saddam Hussein's two sons in Mosul, and the recent series of killings of Iraqi civilians, the indications are that Rumsfeld is well along the way in his effort to create Waffen SS-type killer squads in the U.S. military, in violation of traditional American military policy.

From all accounts of the Mosul raid, there was never any intention of capturing Saddam's sons alive—although this obviously would have constituted an intelligence bonanza for the United States.
But, as some commentators have pointed out, that may have been exactly why Rumsfeld and Co. didn't want them alive and talking. It seems that other top Iraqi officials and scientists, who surrendered or were taken alive, are not telling their interrogators what Rumsfeld and Cheney want to hear. Not to mention, that some Iraqi officials may still remember Rumsfeld's visits to Baghdad in 1983-84, when he embraced Saddam Hussein, and set up the channels through which the United States armed Iraq during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War—including providing precursors for chemical and biological weapons.

It has been observed, that any police SWAT team in any major U.S. city probably could have captured Uday and Qusay Hussein alive. But, according to a high-level military intelligence source, the current rules of engagement, as set by the Pentagon, do not call for taking such "high-value" targets alive, and any change in policy would have to come from Rumsfeld directly.
In reviewing the reports of the Mosul action, Democratic Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon LaRouche stressed that this is not an action that would have been carried out by the professional military, but that they were dragged into this, by Rumsfeld and Cheney. LaRouche noted the insanity of carrying out an assassination policy, while the U.S. military is an occupying power already subject to a rising level of guerrilla attacks; LaRouche also noted the complications that such an insane policy creates, in terms of fashioning an "exit strategy" for the U.S. military.
Such Israeli-style "targetted assassinations" are also in direct violation of the official U.S. ban on executions of foreign leaders, which has been in effect since 1976. The Executive Order signed by President Gerald Ford, and reinforced by later Presidents, makes no distinction between peacetime and wartime; there is no loophole for the war on terrorism, as the Bush Administration suggests.



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I'm fascinated by the US's desire to get rid of the troops nightmares by streamlining the killing of humans into a more videogame like experience with new super/uber toy weapons. In the end it's still a man who has to kill another man, however advanced, detached or joystick-like the experience. Just be a man, learn the other dude's language, disguise yourself, sneak up to him, deploy a sharp metal object to neck arteria, leave the scene as if nothing happened - PROFIT!
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At the center of Rumsfeld's plans was the reactivation of the Army's Iran/Contra-era Intelligence Support Activity (ISA), now operating under the name of "Grey Fox."
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Killer Robots

How about the ability to see through walls?

http://www.slate.com/id/2200292/
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How about the ability to see through walls?

http://www.slate.com/id/2200292/
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"Through-the-wall sensing is currently a topic of great interest to defense agencies both in the U.S. and abroad," says the April report.
Hmmm...what a surprise.

At least 'fozzy' asked the question I had before I even clicked the link.

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