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post #51 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:20pm
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Hey, Electrichead, I've got another article for you to read wrt your other point that it's a "conspiracy theory": Washington Post: Sowing the Seas of GOP Domination, 1/12/04.
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post #52 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:25pm
At the risk of sounding stupid, are you allowed to register at the polling station the day of the election in most states? That's what I did when I moved two years ago here in MN. I don't remember being able to do it in AZ, but it also wasn't an issue. I understand that this would slow down the process, obviously, but is it a vaild option in these repubattacked states?
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post #53 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:30pm
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Which is why I posted specifically in the past ten years.
Ha! Chicago politics and elections are still ridiculously corrupt.
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post #54 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:37pm
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The dems were incredibly corrupt in that era ... which is why I posted specifically in the past ten years.
How about in the last week? Narrow the window to make it work in your favor.

Does the Democratic suspension of the delegates from Florida and Michigan not count? How about Obama and Clinton accusing each other of doing it during the primaries?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...e_n_82309.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...p_n_82960.html

Voter suppression. A democrat doesn't even allow the polling places to be open. This was probably just incompetence on her part though.

http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2007/0...-still-broken/

This one is pretty weak, but I guess that you could infer that since most Christians vote Repub, then threatening their tax exempt status if they discuss politics during a sermon is trying to suppress them. It's a stretch, but here it is.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/185081.php
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post #55 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:40pm
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Republican-controlled congress, obstructing and nipping at his heels the whole time, persecuting him relentlessly during his second term. You mean that period?
A Democrat controlled House never did anything like this? Seems like a suspect assertion.

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No, the Dems just don't do it. They don't have anything to get away with.
Ha ha, that's a good one.
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post #56 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:42pm
My question isn't going to be answered, is it?
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post #57 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:44pm
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Mind-boggling.

OK, Electrohead. Let's go with your 'but they're all the same' point. The one you make repeatedly, and with such confidence.

Please, I want you to dip deep into your vast well of political knowledge and point out the endemic racism, homophobia, religious zealotry, gun-toting, war-mongering and bigotry inherent in the Democratic party. List examples, please. They're the same on both sides, right? Could you elaborate on the very clear vote-fixing that the Democrats have indulged in? You could use stuff like faulty diebold machines, or hanging chads, or missing ballots, open discrimination against poor black voters etc etc - I'm sure the evidence is out there, given your towering confience on the matter.

What a stupefying thread. Congrats, Electrichead - tonight, and for one night only, you're the new Snaieke!
Ha ha, thanks for the honor. I'll try and make it for tomorrow also.

The Kennedy's never did anything wrong? Johnson never escalated a war we had no business participating in? Carter never fucked up the economy? Probably from right-wing wackos, but here is some stuff on Clinton.

http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm
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post #58 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:45pm
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At the risk of sounding stupid, are you allowed to register at the polling station the day of the election in most states? That's what I did when I moved two years ago here in MN. I don't remember being able to do it in AZ, but it also wasn't an issue. I understand that this would slow down the process, obviously, but is it a vaild option in these repubattacked states?
I don't think that you can. You have to registered a certain amount of time beforehand. I think that is how CA works anyway.
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post #59 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:49pm
Nevermind, I answered my own question:
MN, NH, WI, ME, ND, ID, WY.

Edit to add: Apparently MN has the highest or second highest turn out several years running. That's cool.
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post #60 of 75
9/11/08 at 4:58pm
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How about in the last week? Narrow the window to make it work in your favor.

Does the Democratic suspension of the delegates from Florida and Michigan not count?
No. This was completely different - democratic party asserting certain rules, states violating them, getting censured, ultimately being counted in the end.

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How about Obama and Clinton accusing each other of doing it during the primaries?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...e_n_82309.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...p_n_82960.html

Voter suppression. A democrat doesn't even allow the polling places to be open. This was probably just incompetence on her part though.
This is he said/she said. Each of those stories is only vague accusation, without any substantive case being made for voter suppression. Sounds like posturing. If you can find evidence that actual voter suppression (akin to some of the things listed above, which are unequivocal) actually occurred in either of those two instances, let fly.

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The voter ID law is PURE BULLSHIT and another Republican attempt to suppress and intimidate possible democrats from voting. Of the something like 36 cases of actual voter fraud ever pursued, there have been only 6 actual convictions. Most were thrown out. So, we're talking 6 in millions and millions of voters. Is voter fraud an epidemic at 6 out of untold millions?

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This one is pretty weak, but I guess that you could infer that since most Christians vote Repub, then threatening their tax exempt status if they discuss politics during a sermon is trying to suppress them. It's a stretch, but here it is.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/185081.php
Not only is it weak, what they were warning churches against doing is against the law because this is supposed to be a nation of laws and there is supposed to be a "wall of separation" between church and state. Thomas Jefferson was extremely specific on this issue. The founders knew exactly what would happen if churches became embroiled in politics.

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"The clergy...believe that any portion of power confided to me [as President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173
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A Democrat controlled House never did anything like this? Seems like a suspect assertion.
Ha ha, that's a good one.
On the contrary. They have mostly rolled over and tried to "move to the middle." And since they don't have a veto-proof majority, they have been able to move very little legislation without severe compromises past this president. Again, you're talking in generalities that just don't apply.

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My question isn't going to be answered, is it?
I'm not actually sure. I think you're better off registering in advance as I know that so-called provisional ballots (i.e. the ballots you're given if you're not already on the rolls) get thrown out.
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post #61 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:01pm
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Ha ha, thanks for the honor. I'll try and make it for tomorrow also.

The Kennedy's never did anything wrong? Johnson never escalated a war we had no business participating in? Carter never fucked up the economy? Probably from right-wing wackos, but here is some stuff on Clinton.

http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm
Why don't you reread this thread, figure out what's being talked about here, and then respond.
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post #62 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:02pm
Here's another. Written by a conservative guy, so it's probably biased I'm sure, but it is a study by a non-partisan organization that craps on both parties.

http://www.politicalgateway.com/main...d.html?col=434
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post #63 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:03pm
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Why don't you reread this thread, figure out what's being talked about here, and then respond.
You're saying that Dems never did a bad thing in their life. That response is to simply state that they have.
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post #64 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:03pm
Some states require you to register 30 days ahead of time. It really is a state to state thing. Provisional balloting is only supposed to apply if you actually are a registered voter and actually at the correct polling place but for some reason they don't have you on the list.

The most common reasons that people don't vote are not having filled out proper forms, not having updated their address when they moved, or accidentally going to the wrong polling station. Provisional ballots do nothing to address that and (like absentee ballots) they won't even begin to be counted unless an election is so close that it looks like they could actually affect the outcome.
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post #65 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:08pm
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You're saying that Dems never did a bad thing in their life. That response is to simply state that they have.
No. I'm saying that in the past 10 years (at least since I've been paying attention), Republicans have been actively and successfully working to rig elections by suppressing the democratic vote. Democrats, conversely, have not. And don't tell me "But they might" -- it's irrelevant. They haven't. That's what this thread is about.
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post #66 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:11pm
Edited to avoid continued derailing . I'm so fucking tired of debating buffoons.
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post #67 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:13pm
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No. This was completely different - democratic party asserting certain rules, states violating them, getting censured, ultimately being counted in the end.


This is he said/she said. Each of those stories is only vague accusation, without any substantive case being made for voter suppression. Sounds like posturing. If you can find evidence that actual voter suppression (akin to some of the things listed above, which are unequivocal) actually occurred in either of those two instances, let fly.
Ok, but these are done by Dems vs Dems. Also, the votes will be counted now, but that wasn't going to be the case originally. They didn't follow the rules and got suspended from having their votes counted. It was a rule or a law. The voting laws say if you don't re-register in time, your votes are not counted.

The voting laws are developed by the Secretary of State of each state, if they let this shit go on, then it is their deal. I know you think that Bush and Rove have taken over every political office at every level, state and municipal, but I don't think so. I know Blackwell was in their pocket in 2k6, but you should look at who is in office today in the state positions and go after them too. Today is what is going to determine the outcome, not 2000, 2004, or 2006.
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post #68 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:17pm
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Edited to avoid continued derailing . I'm so fucking tired of debating buffoons.


So am I, but I'll add this link, by a soon to be discredited source because it is a GOP writer.

http://members.tripod.com/GOPCapital...ratrecord.html
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post #69 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:20pm
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Electrichead, you obviously have no interest in actual debating, do you?
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post #70 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:21pm
I just like to hang out. It's lonely in the basement.
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post #71 of 75
9/11/08 at 5:26pm
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lol
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post #72 of 75
9/16/08 at 2:39pm
Thought I'd share this.

Obama Campaign Joins with Michigan Families Facing Foreclosure to Defend Voting Rights
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post #73 of 75
9/16/08 at 3:13pm
The Dems are not saints, and I'm sure, given a long period in power, they'd become more corrupt, but clearly the vast majority of voter disenfranchisment is initiated by Republicans. I find it hard to believe there's someone who's cynical enough to consider both parties evil, but has trouble believing the Republicans would stoop to outright stealing people's votes to win. Are you being serious here?
Besides, no matter how dirty you think both parties are, the stakes are too high this election to sit back and go "eh, both candidates are bad, I don't care." It's an excuse for pathetic apathy. George Bush made a massive mess of this country, and while I'm not sure obama can clean it up completely, I know for sure that mcCain will only cause further regression, further alienate our allies, and eventually make the U.S. irrelevant.
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post #74 of 75
9/16/08 at 3:49pm
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A Democrat controlled House never did anything like this? Seems like a suspect assertion.
Why are you asking? Why not state what the Democratic-controlled house did? Don't you know what they did? You're the one claiming they're just as bad as Republicans, surely you can state what it is they do to earn this dubious honour.
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post #75 of 75
9/19/08 at 1:48pm
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John Conyers rules.

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Conyers Calls out McCain on Voter Suppression
@ 12:22 pm by Andy Barr

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) told John McCain's campaign Friday to take control over its supporters following reports that a county Republican chairman in Michigan planned to use lists of recently foreclosed residents to block them from voting

"It is beyond disgraceful that the Republican Party now seems to be targeting those who are suffering the most," Conyers said. "It appears that individuals who can't recall how many houses they own don't understand how awful it is to lose your home to foreclosure, and don't know that you don’t need to own property to vote in the United States of America."

"It should surprise no one that the people who gave us the worst economy since the Great Depression would now want to prevent those victimized by this economy from voting in the coming elections. Senator McCain needs to step forward now and halt the Republican Party's efforts to profit politically from the economic misery of others."

In a letter sent to the McCain, Conyers asked the Arizona senator to "repudiate any efforts of the Republican Party and any of its state affiliates to engage in voter suppression and intimidation tactics."
Source.
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