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Mort Zuckerman on Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac: "We still don't know where the bottom is"

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Those Republican "borrow and spend"/anti-regulation ideals at work!

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Financial expert Zuckerman appeared on Morning Joe to talk about the Federal bailout of Fannie and Freddie Mac - a move that he estimates will cost the taxpayer upwards of $500 billion added to an already record federal debt. The panicked looks on the faces of the hosts as he laid out just how bad it could be were the most vocal commentary though. Zuckerman says that Fannie and Freddie are “too big to fail” because their paper is held by financial institutions worldwide and if they fell then the world economy would plummet like a stone in a “systemic crisis”.

But he also says that “this is not the end of the real problem”, which is $5 trillion plus in mortgage loans with record foreclosures and falling house prices. In other words, America’s piggy bank is broken. Zuckerman says that no-one should think the bailout is the end of the story: “this problem is still not measurable, we still don’t know where the bottom is,” and that the only way out in the long term is to “force savings upon the American people, and that’s called taxes.”

We’re already seeing the immediate results of the the credit crunch. For instance the Highway Trust fund, which pays for infrastructure repairs and improvements, is almost broke. It’s funded by the gas taxes it’s tapped out. That has a knock-on in the ability of the federal government to provide construction contracts to businesses and construction jobs to those unemployed, in a time of rising unemployment. The massive amount of money that is going into financial bailouts could have been going to such projects instead, which would have provided some buffering against recession.

It’s possible that the Bush administration will ask Congress to give money to the Highway Fund anyway - and it probably should - but yet again someone has to pay the bill eventually for deficit spending and that someone will be you and your grandchildren. Ditto the huge bills for Iraq, massive homeland security and defense spending, the trade deficit and so much else we can thank the profligate Bush administration and Republicans in Congress for. They have, as a solid group, opposed any kind of financial regulation legislation. For Republicans, it’s a free market only until John McCain’s “middle class” with over $5 million in the bank are hurting, then its socialism for the financial markets all around.
More, plus video here.

Also, for a little hindsight on how this could happen...

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The general co-chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today’s economic turmoil.

“A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change because the nature of business had changed,” the Illinois senator running for president said in a New York economic speech. “But by the time [it] was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework.”

Gramm’s role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation’s investment houses and practices didn’t stop there.

A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm.

Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.

During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages.

For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more than $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs.
The rest is here.
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From the Height of Irony File come more developments on both the FM/FM failures and (SHOCKER!) their ties to the McCain campaign.

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Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) write today in the Wall Street Journal that the “bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is another outrageous, but sadly necessary, step for these two institutions.” They pledge to end the use of “taxpayer backing to serve lobbyists, management, boards and shareholders” and call lobbyists “primary contributors” to the crisis:

We will make sure that they are permanently restructured and downsized, and no longer use taxpayer backing to serve lobbyists, management, boards and shareholders. […]

[The federal bailout] terminates future lobbying, which was one of the primary contributors to this great debacle.

The feigned outrage of McCain and Palin at the inaction of Congress and the influence of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lobbyists is ironic considering the fact that “at least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac” in recent years.

More troubling is the fact that McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, “served as president of an advocacy group led by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac” that worked to cripple regulatory initiatives in Congress because the two institutions feared that “Congressional meddling would lower their healthy profits.” As the Politico reported in July:

Davis headed the Homeownership Alliance, a lobbying association that included Fannie, Freddie, nonprofit groups, real estate agents, homebuilders and consumer advocates. … [The group] worked to oppose congressional efforts to tighten controls on Fannie and Freddie.


In July 2003 for example, Davis “wrote to the American Banker, taking issue with an opinion piece…arguing that Fannie and Freddie should operate with greater transparency.” Such transparency and greater regulatory controls might have averted the current crisis.
Source.
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And I was just considering starting a "Rick Davis must be a ridiculous tool" thread. This is capping a hell of a week he's been having. For his opposition.

Admits to the press most of Palin's speech was written before she was chosen.

Brazenly states the campaign's about characters and narratives, not real issues.

Tells the press to show "deference" to Palin.

Now this, especially if his involvement ever gets traction with the MSM.

Man, he is just the creme de la creme of campaign managers. I'm starting to enjoy seeing his name show up as much as McCain's.
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Again, more thanks must be given to Phil Gramm, who wrote John McCain's economic policy, and led the charge to repeal the Glass-Steagall act.

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The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in the United States and included banking reforms, some of which were designed to control speculation.[citation needed] Some provisions such as Regulation Q that allowed the Federal Reserve to regulate interest rates in savings accounts were repealed by the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980. Other provisions which prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.[1]
Here's the story...
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Lehman Brothers Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy
Topics:Henry Paulson | Banking
Sectors:Financial Services | Banks
Companies:Morgan Stanley | JPMorgan Chase and Co | Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc
By CNBC.com | 14 Sep 2008 | 07:35 PM ET
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Lehman Brothers said it plans to file for bankruptcy protection, but the Chapter 11 filing will not include its broker-dealer operations and other units, including Neuberger Berman.

Lehman [LEH 3.65 -0.57 (-13.51%) ] is looking at selling its broker-dealer operations, and is still in advanced discussions with a number of potential buyers of its investment management division.

Bankruptcy represents the end of a 158-year old company that survived world wars and the collapse of Long-Term Capital Management but could not survive the global credit crunch.

Investors in recent weeks had grown increasingly jittery about Lehman's $46 billion of mortgages and asset-backed securities, as well as its credit rating and its ability to raise capital.

Officials at the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury are taking steps to mitigate risk to the system and assure the orderly functioning of the U.S. markets when they open Monday. And the Federal Reserve has also agreed to accept lower-quality assets in return for loans from the government.
The rest is here.
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A lady smarter than I said that the stock market scene tomorrow will be very interesting. I just nodded my head in agreement and fought off the urge to puke. This shit's only going to get way worse before it gets better, and the Obama administration can't come fast enough.

Call me idealistic, whatever, but if McCain/Palin take power in November I'm hightailing it to Stockholm. Fuck this place. I'm absolutely sick of making excuses on behalf of the American public.
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This shit may be way bigger than any one administration can handle. If we're lucky, we won't be sinking for 10 years before we hit the bottom.
post #7 of 14
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Very true.

Meanwhile, I've started obsessively looking at google trends since this final stretch of the campaign started just to get an idea what people were googling each day, and they truly run from the sublime to the ridiculous (but mostly the ridiculous - you can always tell when it's "Are you smarter than a 5th grader" night).

Anyway, the #3 story today is Glass Steagall repeal.
post #8 of 14
This post made me google Mort Zuckerman. For some reason, I thought he was the creator of Beetle Bailey or something.
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Hilarious. Meanwhile, the righties are blaming Clinton instead of Phil Gramm and his Republican cohorts who pushed it through. While Clinton is partially to blame for not vetoing this bill, I believe this all happened at the height of his scurrilous persecution over sex and whitewater.
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yt, you never fail to ruin my wonderfully happy, blissfully ignorant day, you know that? I don't know whether I should punch you or hug you sometimes.

More stuff to mill on tonight. Joy...
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Back in the real world....

In 2003 Bush actually tried to do something productive and increase federal oversight with respect to Freddie/Fannie. Democrats opposed as they wanted to loosen lending standard for people who cant afford (and therefore shouldnt even think about) purchasing homes.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...gewanted=print

This is the best part:

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''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
A lot of smart folks...yes, in 2003...would have argued otherwise.
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Originally Posted by The Closer View Post
Back in the real world....

In 2003 Bush actually tried to do something productive and increase federal oversight with respect to Freddie/Fannie. Democrats opposed as they wanted to loosen lending standard for people who cant afford (and therefore shouldnt even think about) purchasing homes.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...gewanted=print

This is the best part:



A lot of smart folks...yes, in 2003...would have argued otherwise.
Republicans keep waving this around as proof that Bush and McCain were talking about the kinds of regulation that would have prevented this mess. They weren't. They were trying to remove the benefit to the poor from the Fannie/Freddie set-up. They wanted to use the resources of Fannie and Freddie for the larger subprime loans that every other bank was cashing in on. This wasn't about putting back into place the kinds of regulations the Glass-Steagall act contained, which Phil Gramm and his friends in the Republican-controlled congress were able to shitcan without breaking a sweat. This was about shifting emphasis from the poor to everyone else, and opening up the kitty a little more for what Fannie and Freddie could do.
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Republicans keep waving this around as proof that Bush and McCain were talking about the kinds of regulation that would have prevented this mess. They weren't. They were trying to remove the benefit to the poor from the Fannie/Freddie set-up. They wanted to use the resources of Fannie and Freddie for the larger subprime loans that every other bank was cashing in on. This wasn't about putting back into place the kinds of regulations the Glass-Steagall act contained, which Phil Gramm and his friends in the Republican-controlled congress were able to shitcan without breaking a sweat. This was about shifting emphasis from the poor to everyone else, and opening up the kitty a little more for what Fannie and Freddie could do.
You can toss out all the partisan bs you want, but in the end if they had their way chances are we wouldnt be needing to have this conversation.
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