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post #1 of 570
9/15/08 at 6:21pm
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It's baaacccccckkkkkk. All during football yesterday they ran the ad for the "premiere event" next Monday. Some kind of 1 hour special and then the 2 hour opener. Yes, I hate myself for watching and liking this show. It seems like those 3-4 or so really, really good episodes each season keep me intrigued through all the rest.

I despise Tim Kring and hope he wisened up after the debacle that was last season. I've read numerous interviews where he seems to "get it" just to turn around and make yet another fucking retarded statement that disappoints me to no end.

So yes, I'll stick around and watch the new season. The premise at least of "Heroes vs. Villians" sounds good. They can't fuck that up...can they? I mean, come on, its classic good guys kicking the crap out of bad guys. No one, not even Kring can ruin this...right? Shit. Yeah, you're right. By episode two we'll find out Sylar is banging mama Petrelli who is really his aunt which he finds out about in an episode that takes place in an alternate future.

Sigh...fuck me...
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post #2 of 570
9/15/08 at 6:26pm
Any benefit of the doubt this show may have had from me got lost during later part of last season. Just don't give a shit anymore.
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post #3 of 570
9/15/08 at 6:32pm
Someone gave me season two, and I intended to watch it before the premiere, but I just can't seem to care about this show.
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post #4 of 570
9/15/08 at 8:59pm
HELLZZZ YEAH! I'm excited about this show returning... mostly due to the promos.

As long as they don't kill off any of my favorites (Hiro, Peter, his bro, the now legal eye candy and her evil but in a good way Dad) I'm coolio with whatever they do as long as it involves lots of characters dying.. preferably by the hands of Syler.
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post #5 of 570
9/15/08 at 9:04pm
I tried watching this show when it first started but decided after a while to re-read Watchmen instead.

The cheerleader's hot, but that's about as much enthusiasm as I can muster.
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post #6 of 570
9/15/08 at 9:04pm
A friend of mine keeps going on about how this season is going to be great based on the promos and some interviews he read. This is after he said last season was bullshit. Some people will never learn I guess. But if Heroes is coming back then Chuck isn't too far away so I can at least look forward to that.
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post #7 of 570
9/15/08 at 10:59pm
This show acts as an amazingly horrific mirror held up to the mainstream "geek is chic" movement as it exists now. Too bad that these people have some of the same properties as vampires, otherwise it might have had a cathartic effect of a less stupid kind.
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post #8 of 570
9/15/08 at 11:07pm
So what's the over/under on two characters being transported into a dystopian/post apocalyptic future this season?
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post #9 of 570
9/15/08 at 11:11pm
Didn't that Irish chick get stranded in the future? Did they ever follow up on that or did they just forget about it?
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post #10 of 570
9/15/08 at 11:32pm
They just forgot as of now. I'll watch it for at least the first couple episodes. I want to like this show cause I like superheros. They also brought in Marlo Stanfield which is enough to get my attention.
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post #11 of 570
9/16/08 at 1:18am
And Bubbles!
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post #12 of 570
9/16/08 at 1:53am
I haven't watched anything about the new season, but will be watching because I need some more fun drunken MST3K fodder.
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post #13 of 570
9/16/08 at 9:10am
Bubs is on too? That's fucking awesome his superpower better be addiction.
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post #14 of 570
9/16/08 at 9:21am
well if there is something worth watching at 9 pm on Mondays, I think Heroes new episodes will be rerun on G4 on Tuesday night. Which might not say much, but it may help with DVR scheduling.
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post #15 of 570
9/16/08 at 10:05am
What's with Volume Three? The proper title of this thread should be Heroes: We'll copy every cliché in the known comics universe, make it way worse, and morons will find it actually good part 3.
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post #16 of 570
9/16/08 at 10:18am
I was out until I found out Marlo and Bubbles were gonna be on. I'll watch damn near anything to suport the Wire alums. I caught Lester Freeman in the commercial for Life on Mars, but it looks like he is only the part before dude wakes up in the 70's.
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post #17 of 570
9/16/08 at 10:23am
Yeah but him and Bunk are starring in Simons new show called Treme about New Orleans.
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post #18 of 570
9/16/08 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke
As long as they don't kill off any of my favorites
They won't kill anyone off. They have no balls. This has been proven repeatedly. Not even being inside an exploding building or being shot in the heart/eyehole can kill anyone in this world.

I'll give it one episode. Once I see everyone who's supposed to be dead miraculously resurrected, I'm out. Based on my love for genre shows, I gave this cowpie 3x as many episodes as it took me to realize PRISON BREAK was a video brain tumor. Hell, I still watch SMALLVILLE (it's not my fault, they keep promising to end it!). But barring an episode like the LOST-lite HRG-centric one, someone else will have to bite the bullet and let me know when it's all over just how big of a train wreck this show turned out to be.
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post #19 of 570
9/16/08 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post
They won't kill anyone off. They have no balls. This has been proven repeatedly. Not even being inside an exploding building or being shot in the heart/eyehole can kill anyone in this world.

I'll give it one episode. Once I see everyone who's supposed to be dead miraculously resurrected, I'm out. Based on my love for genre shows, I gave this cowpie 3x as many episodes as it took me to realize PRISON BREAK was a video brain tumor. Hell, I still watch SMALLVILLE (it's not my fault, they keep promising to end it!). But barring an episode like the LOST-lite HRG-centric one, someone else will have to bite the bullet and let me know when it's all over just how big of a train wreck this show turned out to be.
In all fairness, having the blood be able to resurrect people was quite ingenious in terms of killing people and then wondering if they'll come back.

Last count, people who can do this now are....

Sark, Peter & Now legal eye candy.

So, that covers the people I like... and it leaves room for people like hot blonde who needs less dialog and more lingerie or annoying sayid wannabe professor who needs to have an aneurysm and become the shows stephen hawkins to die... I'm all for that.

I think the saddest thing that happened to this show was them losing reality altering chick to "Reaper" ... it needs more hot eye candy in skimpy clothing, less convoluted plot and more special effects. Also, avoid Mexican wonder twins at all cost.
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post #20 of 570
9/16/08 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
In all fairness, having the blood be able to resurrect people was quite ingenious in terms of killing people and then wondering if they'll come back.
There's nothing ingenious about this show. Nothing. It's dumb TV for dumb people. The WWE has a better storyline than Heroes does. That's how bad this shit is.
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post #21 of 570
9/16/08 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Also, avoid Mexican wonder twins at all cost.
Sylar killed the male twin last season.

I hate the promos for this season. I'll still give it a go but they lack anything to get excited about except Ali Larter.
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post #22 of 570
9/16/08 at 1:10pm
So Larter's coming back too? God dammit.
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post #23 of 570
9/16/08 at 1:24pm
In one of my 'entertainment lulls,' I started renting Season One. I couldn't even get past the second disc. I WANTED to quit after the second episode, but managed to force myself to persevere until disc 2.

This show is awful in so many ways it's not even worth describing. Basically, it represents everything bad about "TV" when you hear people in the industry talking about why they never want to do TV work.
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post #24 of 570
9/16/08 at 1:47pm
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I want an entire episode on the Haitian.

One thing I love about this show is that the writers and producers have no idea whatsover where they are going. I firmly believe they script out 3-4 episodes to start, wait to see what people are saying, and then find ways to dig themselves out of the holes they created. When they decide to stick to their guns (the twins, Hiro in ancient Japan for 7 episodes too long, etc.) they ruin things worse than anyone could have imagined. And who doesn't love the dangling plot threads that just disapper or go nowhere?

Hey, what happened to the Irish chick stuck in the future? Oh shit...
Hey, what happened to the hot Israeli who could control machines? Oh shit...

The first person to tell me I need to read the comics or watch the online snippets to follow the missing links in the story gets punched in the vagina.
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post #25 of 570
9/16/08 at 2:16pm
I will give Kring and Co a small modicum of lee-way in the plot dangling due to the writer's strike. Still don't forgive them for the beginning half of the season, though.
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post #26 of 570
9/16/08 at 2:18pm
Hey Judge, you need to read the comics or watch the online snip-OWW!


I tuned in to one episode of this series last year, and the dialogue was just fucking atrocious. It made 24 sound like Davis Mamet.


[edit] I would fix that typo, but why fuck with Doc's joke?
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post #27 of 570
9/16/08 at 2:27pm
Davis Mamet? Miles Davis Mamet? Myles Davis Dyson?

Hmmm...I think I know where this is going, and I like it.
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post #28 of 570
9/17/08 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
There's nothing ingenious about this show. Nothing. It's dumb TV for dumb people. The WWE has a better storyline than Heroes does. That's how bad this shit is.
The show is the holy grail of geeky guilty pleasure. There is nothing wrong with it ... nothing! ... nothing <rocks back and forth in the corner>


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Originally Posted by JudgeSmails View Post
One thing I love about this show is that the writers and producers have no idea whatsover where they are going. I firmly believe they script out 3-4 episodes to start, wait to see what people are saying, and then find ways to dig themselves out of the holes they created. When they decide to stick to their guns (the twins, Hiro in ancient Japan for 7 episodes too long, etc.) they ruin things worse than anyone could have imagined. And who doesn't love the dangling plot threads that just disapper or go nowhere?

Hey, what happened to the Irish chick stuck in the future? Oh shit...
Hey, what happened to the hot Israeli who could control machines? Oh shit...

The first person to tell me I need to read the comics or watch the online snippets to follow the missing links in the story gets punched in the vagina.
This.
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post #29 of 570
9/17/08 at 3:26pm
Hey, where's the rampant (and well deserved) hate for this show that was so prominent in the season one thread? I miss that hate...

Devin? Anyone?
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post #30 of 570
9/17/08 at 3:40pm
I can't believe you son of a bitches watch, let alone publicly discuss, this atrocity.
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post #31 of 570
9/17/08 at 4:02pm
I hate Snaieke. Does that help?

The first half of the first season had a lot of things that helped me get over the bullshit, but they're all gone. Season two is a perfect example of what not to do when running a TV show and I swore I was done with this thing. But I have a few friends who saw the premiere, friends who hate the show, and they all had a great time. They may be on crack or have much lower standards, but I guess it's just as stupid as usual but somehow actually fun. I'll give it one episode.
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post #32 of 570
9/17/08 at 4:26pm
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Hey, where's the rampant (and well deserved) hate for this show that was so prominent in the season one thread? I miss that hate...

Devin? Anyone?
People, including myself, let it run for one season... then we moved on to better things like Madmen, Generation Kill, John Adams, and the such...

I remember when some dumbass told me I'd be coming back for season 2... Like I had the same sick disease of not being able to cope without the shittiness of Heroes.

Well, I'm still not back. Not eva.
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post #33 of 570
9/17/08 at 4:41pm
I wish I could look down at the sickies that watch this show but I watch Prison Break and The Terminator. So I'm basically one of them. Maybe one day soon I can quit those shows like I did with Heroes.
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post #34 of 570
9/17/08 at 4:47pm
Yeah, I watch Terminator, but the difference is that I won't defend it or become an apologist for it. I do think it's worst moments are much better than Heros' good ones.
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post #35 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:18pm
It's a little offensive to compare something as terrible as Heroes to Terminator, an entertaining show that's occasionally (or frequently) stupid. Heroes is a dumb piece of shit that some geeks enjoy because the characters have superpowers. It's like the guys that liked AVPR because an Alien or Predator occasionally appears within the frame. It had some fresh ideas and a few unexpected moments for a little bit, but that all went away. I think the only moment that's defensible in the last season and a half was the way McDowell was killed. That's it.
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post #36 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:23pm
And yet you gleefully defend Armageddon.
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post #37 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:29pm
Tell me one scene, moment, or idea in the last season and a half of Heroes that touches anything in Armageddon. The terrible animal crackers scene is better than everything that's happened in Heroes.
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post #38 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:32pm
Armageddon is retarded, but it's not fucking retarded like Heroes.
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post #39 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:35pm
If Steve Buscemi was on the show and his power was space dementia I'd forgive almost everything.
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post #40 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:36pm
Hell, even Peter Stormare beating shit with a big wrench would do it.
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post #41 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:37pm
I'm no Heroes apologist, a little perspective is necessary though. Both are pretty terrible.
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post #42 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:40pm
Affleck wouldn't have left his Irish girl in the fake future.
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post #43 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by James May View Post
I'm no Heroes apologist, a little perspective is necessary though. Both are pretty terrible.
No.
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post #44 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by James May View Post
I'm no Heroes apologist, a little perspective is necessary though. Both are pretty terrible.
You have no clue what you're talking about. Armageddon, Terminator, Prison Break all have something going for them: they entertain. Action happens. Something happens.

The only thing happening in Heroes is a colossal list of failures.
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post #45 of 570
9/17/08 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
You have no clue what you're talking about. Armageddon, Terminator, Prison Break all have something going for them: they entertain. Action happens. Something happens.

The only thing happening in Heroes is a colossal list of failures.
Nice avatar.

It's weird. Terminator is about a tenth as dumb as Heroes and twice as entertaining. Prison Break is ten times dumber than Heroes and ten times more entertaining but I could only tolerate a few episodes of it. It's so stupid it becomes distracting. I was never bored but it has that Heroes problem where characters contradict themselves every episode and all the decisions everyone makes are dictated by the plot, a very, very, very, very stupid plot. Here's something that's never been said in the writer's room of Heroes:

"Does this track emotionally? Would that character actually make that decision?"
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post #46 of 570
9/17/08 at 6:00pm
This is one of those things, like Boondock Saints, where I'll be chatting film/entertainment/TV with someone and suddenly have to restrain the immense urge to slap the shit out of them. For example:

Me: "blah blah blah, Lost is awesome, blah blah blah"
Idiotstick: "Oooooooooooooh, have you ever seen Heroes?"
Me: *boiling rage*

The anger is an exaggeration obviously, but my god, I hate those situations. Because you can't explain why you hate it without coming off like some "upper class twit" who knows more than everyone about entertainment.
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post #47 of 570
9/17/08 at 6:13pm
They lost me halfway through season two. They're not getting me back until I hear some glowing reviews.

And Armageddon is as bad as Heroes. Pretty pictures don't make it a better story. Armageddon, however, is over in a couple of hours. Heroes just keeps on going. Advantage: Armageddon.
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post #48 of 570
9/17/08 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
You have no clue what you're talking about. Armageddon, Terminator, Prison Break all have something going for them: they entertain. Action happens. Something happens.
Well, your rock solid evidence of 'how entertained the audience is' has convinced me.

All I'm trying to say is people in glass houses and such and such.
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post #49 of 570
9/17/08 at 6:42pm
Pissing on Heroes is easy. Like beating the crap out of a retarded child. In his sleep. Only justified.

But since when has Armageddon become the rally point to celebrate mediocrity over blatant failiure?
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post #50 of 570
9/17/08 at 7:48pm
Somewhere along the line, it became the movie for retarded people that non-retarded people decided it was okay to declare "awesome".

Sorry, guys, but liking that movie is still retarded. I don't care how the vote went in your meeting.

edit:
My apologies to retards.
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