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post #101 of 570
9/23/08 at 7:51am
This show is just fucking beyond retarded.
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post #102 of 570
9/23/08 at 9:07am
What exactly was Claire trying to accomplish with that gun? She knows Peter has all sorts of powers, including hers, so how on earth did she think she could kill him?

And if I were Sylar I would have mailed her head to China or something. That would have kept her ass down. Unless she eventually grew it back.
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post #103 of 570
9/23/08 at 10:23am
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Anyone know the ratings?
If I had to guess, I'd say the Dancing with the Stars premiere hands Heroes its ass in the ratings-war.
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post #104 of 570
9/23/08 at 10:29am
I think the ratings will be solid. They better be for how much fucking hype this crap had. Next week will be interesting though.
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post #105 of 570
9/23/08 at 10:29am
I stopped watching this halfway though last season, but the descriptions of last nights ep are almost bizarre enough to make me want to tune in again. Almost.
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post #106 of 570
9/23/08 at 10:30am
I didn't watch it. Did claire die?
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post #107 of 570
9/23/08 at 10:38am
Claire didn't die, but about 72.6% of the population's brain cells did.

Utterly fucking stupid in nearly every single way. Really, the only saving grace is some neat effects for the speedster girl (and she was kinda nerd-cute), her interactions with Hiro and Ando, and Kristen Bell. That's about it.
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post #108 of 570
9/23/08 at 11:17am
Is there a scripted show on television that's stupider than this? My job requires me to recap One Tree Hill every week, and even THAT is looking like fucking Shakespeare compared to Mohinderfly and Highlander Claire.
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post #109 of 570
9/23/08 at 11:18am
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HAHAHAHAHHAHA. This...this...this! is what they come up with? I'm flabbergasted. Yes, of course I'm the fool for actually expecting Kring and co. to come up with a well written show but this was almost too much for words. There were so, so many problems, faults, holes and cheap shortcuts last night that it almost blows the mind. Some thoughts:

- I loved the fake crowd in the club during the pre-show premiere event. The fact that they populated the club with attractive actors and extras was awesome. I loved how all of the Heroes actors were looking off-camera reading their lines from poorly placec cue cards. The whole thing felt so forced it was just awesome.

- Ok, let me get this straight. First she was Nikki super-strong crazy stripper on the Internets. Then she was Jessica her crazy, evil half still super strong. Then she gets blown the fuck up by some hilarious gangbanger stereotype. And now she's a K street consultant who has Iceman's powers? What the holy hell is this? They're making it look like this is a totally separate character than Nikki/Jessica...but that makes this twin/clone/triple what exactly?

- Nathan dies and gets brought back by Linderman. Who is dead. And can't be seen by others. So he's a figment in Nathan's mind I guess. Huh? And if he is a figment how did he heal Nathan? And Nathan thinks Linderman healed him but also thinks it was God. Huh?!?

- Peter gets replaced by his scar double from the future. Who Claire tried to shoot even though she knows he can stop time and has telekinesis to boot. Stupid future Claire. And scar Peter puts his prior self in the body of a bad guy. Where did he get that power? And what happened to the guy Peter replaced? And when did scar Peter get rid of whiny Peter?

- Sylar gets stopped by Claire when she locks herself in a closet. Mind you after he used his tk to close windows and locks. So I guess we found Sylar's Krptonite...locked closet doors! And then he takes her power (which I admit was the best part of the show) in a Hannibel-Lecter meets Ray Liotta kind of way. But in doing so he takes away her pain and leaves her alive because she is special. Ooookkkkk.

- And Sylar is a Pettrelli!?! Why the fuck not? Hell, why not have him be Peter and Nathan's dad while we're at it. So ridiculous.

- Somewhere, hopefully in a distorted whorehouse or wax figure factory David Cronenberg is putting on a burlap mask and grabbing his closest kitchen knife to come after Kring for stealing from The Fly. I love how bold Kring is! Since they've already ripped off every Sci-Fi show/movie/book ever let's move on to Horror!

- I like the female Flash and she's cute. But she can't run faster than time, thats just dumb. And Hiro/Ando continue to be the two dumbest people on the planet. I do hope Ando kills Hiro. Especially since Ando LIKE EVERYONE ELSE NOW HAS A POWER!!!!

- William Katt deserved to die just for that lousy facial hair. He looks like shit. And who doesn't like Bruce Boxleitner? No one.

- Maya's breasts are the best thing about this show. They alone have more power than any Heroes!
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post #110 of 570
9/23/08 at 11:20am
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Really, the only saving grace is some neat effects for the speedster girl (and she was kinda nerd-cute), her interactions with Hiro and Ando, and Kristen Bell. That's about it.
Actually I can get behind these. Hiro following the speed trails was some particularly cool effects work. And I think I would've turned the TV off right then and there if Sylar had eaten Elle's brain. She and HRG were still the only things that made season 2 tolerable.
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post #111 of 570
9/23/08 at 11:30am
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- Ok, let me get this straight. First she was Nikki super-strong crazy stripper on the Internets. Then she was Jessica her crazy, evil half still super strong. Then she gets blown the fuck up by some hilarious gangbanger stereotype. And now she's a K street consultant who has Iceman's powers? What the holy hell is this? They're making it look like this is a totally separate character than Nikki/Jessica...but that makes this twin/clone/triple what exactly?
At first I thought it was because of the "butterfly" effect, and Nikki ended up being "someone else" but that got blown out of the water by the pointless crazy guy with the "big story" and the laptop of porn.

Mom Pettrelli being Sylars mom? blah..give me a break..is that really needed?

So maybe there is someone out there switching up people's bodies? Maybe Nikki is now some 55 yr old over weight fat guy.
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post #112 of 570
9/23/08 at 11:36am
This show is back on, eh? This piece of shit that Wizard hypes on a monthly basis because it's "getting people into comics"? Go fuck yourself Wizard, go fuck yourself Heroes.

I read an article where Kring was talking up Larter's new character like it was some masterstroke of genius "see, it's a different character, but the same actor!"

This fucktarded garbage isn't even worth me tuning into out of morbid curiosity. If this is the best that network television can come up with then the public deserves all of the reality programming that can be stuffed down it's bloated maw.
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post #113 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:16pm
Blah. The only part that engaged me on any level above a normal Heroes-engagement (which is generally stupid, stupid, stupid "fun" in some weird way) was the future Peter fucking up the timeline. Done before, you know it, but I thought it was intriguing enough. How the fuck he stuffed his past self into some other dude, and why (beyond plot convenience) is beyond me.

But Bruce Boxleitner can show up in anything and I'll love him, so at least there's that.

Ando. Hiro. Stop being so fucking retarded. Why was Daphne there anyways? Jesus.
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post #114 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:16pm
Screw you haters!!!!

I had a good time with it barring the whole Maya \ Mohinder bullshit and the Nikki \ Tracy thing and the whole locking yourself in a closet and the bad guy being outside thing and the whole teleporting Matt to the desert thing and the whole cracked earth image thing with a guy who has the powers of a guy who died in season one thing and... fuck, it just wasn't that good.

They replaced Whiney Peter with stupid Peter. They brought back the ever cool Malcom McDowell only to make him the figment of Nathan's imagination. Which, I would say is stupid... but... how did he know Tracy wasn't Nikki? He knew far too much to be imaginary. What if Nathan can now see dead heroes?

Overall I'll still keep watching because I loved the Hiro scenes and I really liked the return of Mama Patrelli with a more active role and hopefully Kristen Bell wises up and becomes a bikini clad electrical hero... fuck it. She doesn't even need the bikini!

-- Kill Mohinder & Maya.
-- Kill Matt
-- Kill the Cheerleader or better yet, have her personality switched with someone else. As soon as they started the tape scene I just gave up on her storyline.
-- Why did you kill the greatest American Hero!?

I love how Sylar is now a Patrelli. Personally, I think it's a mindfuck in an attempt to control Sylar but the plot twist does conform to the shitty writing.
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post #115 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:22pm
Just like we needed another reason to think you're a moron. No wonder you're praising Sarah Palin.
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post #116 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:26pm
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Just like we needed another reason to think you're a moron. No wonder you're praising Sarah Palin.
Says the Canadian who can't read.
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post #117 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:35pm
You kinda liked it. That's it.




Oh, and by the way: USA < Canada.

Sorry. We have a better live than most of you.
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post #118 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
You kinda liked it. That's it.
Nice cover, considering you had to reread what I wrote. If you don't like the show and don't want to comment on it stay out of the thread otherwise you're just trolling.

Anyone who thinks heroes is some magical utopian dream show is nuts but I haven't seen anyone here posting that. It's a guilty pleasure and it's fun to rib on it a bit and mock some of the decisions, much like when I read anything by you
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post #119 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
This fucktarded garbage isn't even worth me tuning into out of morbid curiosity. If this is the best that network television can come up with then the public deserves all of the reality programming that can be stuffed down it's bloated maw.
Hey now, don't make Heroes the shining example of network television. Shows like Lost, Pushing Daisies, Friday Night Lights, and a ton of others are just as good as anything on cable. If Heroes really was the best network television could do I'd throw my TV out the window.
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post #120 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:53pm
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Nice cover, considering you had to reread what I wrote. If you don't like the show and don't want to comment on it stay out of the thread otherwise you're just trolling.

Anyone who thinks heroes is some magical utopian dream show is nuts but I haven't seen anyone here posting that. It's a guilty pleasure and it's fun to rib on it a bit and mock some of the decisions, much like when I read anything by you
Bullshit. Terminator is a guilty pleasure. Even Prison Fucking Break is one. Heroes has NOTHING redeeming at this point. Season 1 had me because it somewhat promised something, and after it utterly failed to deliver I knew how deep in shit this show was. You're a retard who doesn't have a shred of judgment, as proved again and again.
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post #121 of 570
9/23/08 at 12:57pm
Wow, WTF was that mess?

I am so fucking sick and tired of Time Travel. It seems that TT is on every fucking show nowadays. I feel like Im going to swith over to Fox and see American Idol: Colonial Edition with a dancing Betsy Ross. I mean come on, if I wanted to watch a convoluted TT show, Id watch the Sarah Conner Chronicles.

I thought the only redeeming scene was when Sylar was looking through Claire's brain and he said eating it was disgusting...that was good.

Almost none of that show made sense, and most of it was eye rolls garbage.

Mohinder- "Let's Give Everyone Powers."
Maya- "No I want mine gone"
"Okay, well Ill get powers and lets screw."
"Sure. Look at my Boobs."
*screws like Fight Club
"Mohinder? You're turining into something slimy just like Jeff Goldblum."
"Oh, shucks, that crazy Tim Kring."

ON TOP OF THAT ALL, Sylar is a Patrelli? God help them if thats true and not just some warped Mrs. Patrelli mindjob because Sylar's tragic murder of his mother was what gave the audience some connecting empathy with the character.

And Peter, poor Peter. I have a question...HOW DOES PETER EVER BECOME SO GOOD WITH HIS POWERS LIKE FUTURE PETER IF HE NEVER FUCKING USES THEM?! God, every season he cant control them, or he looses his mind and forgets, or now hes stuck in someone elses body. Why didnt he help those people being BBQ'd? Oh wait, I bet he can only control sound cause hes in that guys body. When does he actually stop whinning and start using his abilities?

It reminds me of the Stephen King sketch on Family Guy. What idea do you have now Steve? Uhh...this couple...uhhh goes to the woods...and uhh...gets attacked by a gaint lamp monster! Scary!.

Its like Kring sat down and said lets kick this to 11 continuity and logic be damned.
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post #122 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:02pm
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Hey now, don't make Heroes the shining example of network television. Shows like Lost, Pushing Daisies, Friday Night Lights, and a ton of others are just as good as anything on cable. If Heroes really was the best network television could do I'd throw my TV out the window.
Lost is not that good of a show. It follows a basic premise. It introduces you to a character sets up your notion of who they are, and then throws some crazy twist to reveal you nor anyone on the island know who they are. OR they start adding mysterious monsters which they dont show you just so you watch to try and figure it out. Its a good psychological way to get ratings, because people love the unknown and even more important they will tune in to figure out the unknown, which is *sigh* why i'll probably watch every episode of Season 3 Villians because I have too many questions and only Mondays can answer them.
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post #123 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:02pm
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Bullshit. Terminator is a guilty pleasure. Even Prison Fucking Break is one. Heroes has NOTHING redeeming at this point. Season 1 had me because it somewhat promised something, and after it utterly failed to deliver I knew how deep in shit this show was. You're a retard who doesn't have a shred of judgment, as proved again and again.
Since you're reading skills are weak. I'll try using pictures.





Plus cool FX

Plus laughable plot twists

= guilty pleasure
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post #124 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:04pm
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Oh, and by the way: USA < Canada.

Sorry. We have a better live than most of you.
By the way, if that's how Canada's school system teaches you how to make a correct statement, America FTW.
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post #125 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:05pm
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Hey now, don't make Heroes the shining example of network television. Shows like Lost, Pushing Daisies, Friday Night Lights, and a ton of others are just as good as anything on cable. If Heroes really was the best network television could do I'd throw my TV out the window.
You know, you're right. I still hate heroes. I have a question to Snaieke though, have you ever read comics? I think being familiar with comics makes one hate this show that much more because of all of the blatant lifts.

And Martin Savage, don't make me start chanting "USA, USA..." at you. We are teh greatest country, we have the trademark! It's also science!
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post #126 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:05pm
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Oh, and by the way: USA < Canada.
If Canada didn't suck, it would have already been invaded by the US.

Please continue the Heroes bashing, I skipped seasons 1 and 2 and almost made the mistake of wasting time on this last night.
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post #127 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:10pm
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I thought the only redeeming scene was when Sylar was looking through Claire's brain and he said eating it was disgusting...that was good.

And Peter, poor Peter. I have a question...HOW DOES PETER EVER BECOME SO GOOD WITH HIS POWERS LIKE FUTURE PETER IF HE NEVER FUCKING USES THEM?! God, every season he cant control them, or he looses his mind and forgets, or now hes stuck in someone elses body. Why didnt he help those people being BBQ'd? Oh wait, I bet he can only control sound cause hes in that guys body. When does he actually stop whinning and start using his abilities?
That scene was pretty creepy and weird and cool all at the same time. I thought he ate brains to get their powers but I guess he just studies them like a watch???

Also.. how do you know "jesse" does sound?

Also... was the virus thing taken care of last season? I don't remember but I thought that was somewhat unresolved... like a cliffhanger.
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post #128 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:16pm
This show is diarrhea--and I was one of it's biggest fans during season 1, hated season 2, and felt like Rose Nylund watching last night's premiere. (I tifauxed it, and watched it this morning)

It was as close to horrible as possible without becoming a full fledged daytime soap opera.
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post #129 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:19pm
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Also.. how do you know "jesse" does sound?

Also... was the virus thing taken care of last season? I don't remember but I thought that was somewhat unresolved... like a cliffhanger.

When Sylar was looking through RHG's files he found all the Level 5 Inmates and on the bottom it said one guy had pyrokenisis, magnetism, and sonic manipulation.

All i remember from last season was that Hiro put Adam underground. All the characters returning like Adam and Linderman reminded me of the hospital scene in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. "Why not bring them all back?" And then everyone who died walked in including Abraham Lincoln. We should just start expecting shit like that.
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post #130 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:20pm
Think it was mentioned before, but if adrenaline is the source of their powers (puh-lease), then why has Sylar been tinkering with people's brains? Shouldn't he have just been punching through to their adrenal gland? (that would of course assume that Kring had any fucking idea when he started what he was doing). Does fight or flight have ANYTHING to do with the brain? (wiki would suggest it's related to one of the nervous systems in the body). Do we have any doctors or biology experts here? Just trying to figure out any logic in this show makes my head hurt.
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post #131 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:23pm
Maybe I forgot something from Season 2, but what happened to Micah and his iPod cousin?
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post #132 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:26pm
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The return of Heroes on NBC, meanwhile. was a big disappointment last night. The one-hour clips show was third in the 8 p.m. hour, with 5.96 million viewers and a 2.6/ 7 in the demo. That led into the two-hour season three premiere at just 9.89 million viewers and a 4.9/12 among adults 18-49 from 9-11 p.m. Here is the half-hour breakdown:

Heroes (NBC)
9:00 p.m. – Viewers: 10.15 million (#3), A18-49: 4.8/11 (#3)
9:30 p.m. – Viewers: 10.28 million (#3), A18-49: 5.0/11 (#2)
10:00 p.m. – Viewers: 9.61 million (#3), A18-49: 4.9/12 (#2)
10:30 p.m. – Viewers: 9.52 million (#2), A18-49: 4.8/12 (#2)

One year earlier, Heroes kicked-off the season (on Sept. 24, 2007) with a much heftier 16.97 million viewers and a 7.3/17 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m. Comparably, that’s erosion of a massive 7.08 million viewers and 33 percent in the demo. In other words, absence may not have made the heart grow fonder for fans of Heroes.
Looks like people didn't buy into the "Come back, it's better this year" promotion.
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post #133 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:29pm
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Looks like people didn't buy into the "Come back, it's better this year" promotion.
Looks like almost a Million people stopped watching after an hour...I wish I did.
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post #134 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:29pm
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If Canada didn't suck, it would have already been invaded by the US.
I know you're from El Salvador, so those instinct of yours we're right; on our continent, the more you go towards the poles, the better things are.

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Since you're reading skills are weak. I'll try using pictures.


Plus cool FX

Plus laughable plot twists

= guilty pleasure
Just watch porn instead.

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By the way, if that's how Canada's school system teaches you how to make a correct statement, America FTW.
That's mainly because English is my 2nd language. Who are you again?
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post #135 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:30pm
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Maybe I forgot something from Season 2, but what happened to Micah and his iPod cousin?
They are of to plot-device-country together with Molly or whatever that little brat name was.
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post #136 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:33pm
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Maybe I forgot something from Season 2, but what happened to Micah and his iPod cousin?
Sharing a bunker with poor Molly, who was hustled off because I'm sure the actress looks like Hayden Panettiere now. Edit: Jan beat me to it.

No comments on the new Magical African Negro, who shills for Sprint and beats off to Britney Spears?
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post #137 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:38pm
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I know you're from El Salvador, so those instinct of yours we're right; on our continent, the more you go towards the poles, the better things are.
I'm not from El Salvador, and no, there are a host of other places in Central and South America I rather live than Frostyland.
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post #138 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:39pm
This show would be better like some kind of A-Team shit. The Haitian, Nathan, Hiro (sans ridiculous time travel abilities) & Ando, HRG, Elle, and Grunny go around the country tracking down the worst of the worst motherfucking badass villains and take them down. No ridiculous plots, no ridiculous delusions of grandeur, no whining, just superpowers being used and epic battles aplenty. And maybe a talking car too.
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post #139 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:40pm
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That's mainly because English is my 2nd language. Who are you again?
Im King of the Internet.
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post #140 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:40pm
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This show would be better like some kind of A-Team shit. The Haitian, Nathan, Hiro (sans ridiculous time travel abilities) & Ando, HRG, Elle, and Grunny go around the country tracking down the worst of the worst motherfucking badass villains and take them down. No ridiculous plots, no ridiculous delusions of grandeur, no whining, just superpowers being used and epic battles aplenty. And maybe a talking car too.
I cant wait for HRG to have superpowers. Cause thats coming.
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post #141 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
I'm not from El Salvador, and no, there are a host of other places in Central and South America I rather live than Frostyland.
Hey, that's ok. Some people like it that way. I like my country civilized.

Now, how worse can this thing be next week?
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post #142 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:46pm
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Hey, that's ok. Some people like it that way. I like my country civilized.
Yeah, because all we savages in the big continent of "El Salvador" are the very definition of uncivilized.
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post #143 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:47pm
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Yeah, because all we savages in the big continent of "El Salvador" are the very definition of uncivilized.
I was talking about the US.
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post #144 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
You know, you're right. I still hate heroes. I have a question to Snaieke though, have you ever read comics? I think being familiar with comics makes one hate this show that much more because of all of the blatant lifts.
Yup. I used to read comics (and I have started it back up again, mostly from a friend who buys them and I read them) and it doesn't bother me at all. Most of the story lines in comic books are lifted from previous story lines or ideas from other books but with slight twists and Heroes isn't straight lifting anything. Even the Watchmen comparison doesn't hold up as a straight lift nor does the 'legacy' virus story line.

There's over 70+ years of comic book history with hundreds of titles to choose from. I assure you, there are very few original works out there and even fewer that didn't have some portion of it lifted. The key is having some originality intertwined and I think that is where heroes has failed. There hasn't been enough originality intertwined with the lifts. The ending of season one was the prime example of that and season two really didn't get a chance to develop because of the writers strike.

Interestingly enough... I think the 4400 rip off is inaccurate. That show was more about a moral dilemma where 50% of the people who took the shot could die and the power they received afterwards was always a back story. I'd compare this more to the 52 story line where Lex Luthor could give people superpowers and ultimately it would have killed them after six months... but no one knew that.
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post #145 of 570
9/23/08 at 1:53pm
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No comments on the new Magical African Negro, who shills for Sprint and beats off to Britney Spears?
I forgot about him! HA! He was great. I really wish I was a fly (or a Mohinder...shoot me now) on the wall in the writer's room. What were they thinking?

"OK, we'll have future Peter send Parkman away!"
'Where? The future? The past? In a jail cell? Under the sea?'
"Um...let's see. What background can we fake kinda close by without spending any money"
'Desert! And when people think the desert they think Africa!'
"Genius! Ok, so he's in Africa and has no food or drink. How does he survive?"
'Turtles show him how to get water from plants'
"Genius! Ok, so now he survives but what do we do with him?"
'Have a local Shaman show up. But he has to speak English, have witty one-liners and of course...Powers!"
"Genius!"
'And to really ice the cake make sure he makes use of the words spirit walk. You know all Americans think Africans are magical and can talk to spirits. '
"Fucking Genius!"
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post #146 of 570
9/23/08 at 2:08pm
So it was beat by not only the big dogs (i.e. Dancing with the Stars and CSI: Miami), but also Worst Week and Boston Legal!?! Not a good sign of things to come for Heroes...
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post #147 of 570
9/23/08 at 2:15pm
It got beat by Worst Week? Holy shit
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post #148 of 570
9/23/08 at 2:18pm
geeeez...for alot of people that hate the show or can't stand...there is still plenty of talk of it. So I guess this forum will be about dead next monday huh!

oh well, I'll watch for the hell of it anyways.
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post #149 of 570
9/23/08 at 2:29pm
Last night, I stopped after the first episode. Anyone else who didn't isn't all that smart. And this is coming from a dumbfuck who didn't learn his lesson from last year.

I will say that Hayden is still a nice piece of ace.
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post #150 of 570
9/23/08 at 2:34pm
I think a lot of people stopped watching at 10 because they didn't know it was a two hour premiere. Oh sure, they said it was a "two hour premiere" but in these days, that usually means an hour worth of bullshit and jackasses, then a one hour episode.
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