Despite this, the real economy (in the US) outside financial markets has showed signs of improvment in the last couple of months. But how long will this last?
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I've got an email into someone I know that works at AIG here in town (works pretty high up in New Business Developments or some such) because I'm worried about him and I haven't gottten a response back yet....which is scary. The scuttlebutt here in Nashville (which has a 15 billion a year Financial Services industry) is like it's the fall of Rome.
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I know a lot of people who aren't concerned about any of this and claim the economy will be "better for it" which is disturbing.
I've got an email into someone I know that works at AIG here in town (works pretty high up in New Business Developments or some such) because I'm worried about him and I haven't gotten a response back yet....which is scary. The scuttlebutt here in Nashville (which has a 15 billion a year Financial Services industry) is like it's the fall of Rome. |
It's instructive that the Fed refused to rescue Lehman while saving Bear (sort of) and Freddie and Fannie. Of course in the case of the later two they pretty much had to if the US Gov't was to retain credibility. If effect Lehman is sending a message that yes the US will pull out the stops to maintain stability in the financial markets but no, there will not be free passes issued to investment bankers who made pathalogically bad decisions.
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I'm a little worried about the AIG bailout the Fed just made, if they weren't willing to show their balance sheet to Buffet, (that isn't good)... I doubt the Fed got a look at it and we just sunk 85 Billion into them. The plus side is, my ROP Term Life insurance policy with AIG may yet survive this whole ordeal.
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Lehman's was in debt 615 Billion dollars. The Fed wasn't going to bail them out because they couldn't. No one could.
I'm a little worried about the AIG bailout the Fed just made, if they weren't willing to show their balance sheet to Buffet, (that isn't good)... I doubt the Fed got a look at it and we just sunk 85 Billion into them. The plus side is, my ROP Term Life insurance policy with AIG may yet survive this whole ordeal. |
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| FRANKFURT -(Dow Jones)- The German government Wednesday called a EUR300 million payment by KfW Bankengruppe made to insolvent U.S. bank Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (LEH) after the latter filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the U.S. "questionable" and "irritating," and called for an explanation of the transaction. KfW confirmed Wednesday a report by German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine earlier in the day that the bank had completed a EUR300 million payment to Lehman Brothers, which filed for bankruptcy Monday. |
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I'd be curious to see the terms the Fed laid down for that bailout. I hope it involves AIG execs getting fucked up the ass by AIDs infested Baboons
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I have to say, from a taxpayer standpoint... the terms are acceptable.
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But....the market is now worried about Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs.
And most worryingly, the Fed has run out of money. Great.
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"The panic in world credit markets reached historic intensity on Wednesday prompting a flight to safety of the kind not seen since the second world war.
Barometers of financial stress hit record peaks across the world. Yields on short-term US Treasuries hit their lowest level since the London Blitz. Lending between banks in effect halted and investors scrambled to pull their funding from any institution or sector whose future had been called into doubt."
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When is somebody going to lay this disaster at the Republicans' feet, where it belongs? If the situation were reversed, and Democrats had stripped the regulatory laws resulting in a global financial meltdown, Republican mouthpieces would be screaming it from the rooftops. It would be the end of any kind of Democratic party power for a long, long time.
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EDITED TO ADD: Just heard on NPR how the past 8 years have seen an "Anti-Regulatory" enviornment pervailed and even now Sec Paulson still doesn't think regulation is needed!
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In terms of AIG, the elephant in the room seems to be China and the integrity of the US as a business partner in general. I would think losing a bank is one thing -- losing a guarantor of monetary transactions is a much more complex concept. So maybe Obama needs time to take in what this is and come up with a constructive and realistic solution. But I haven't had enough time to research this situation, whereas the downward spiral of these big banks has been on the horizon for a while.
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ps. Larisa Alexandrovna has a funny and sadly true post today:
| 1. And bailouts for all... Looks like AIG and its fraudulent business practices have gotten themselves a nice big bailout to the tune of $85 billion. So Conservative economics works like this: -step 1: deregulate (let the looting begin) -step 2: hide profits to avoid taxes (preferably in a Swiss bank) -step 3: deny taxpayers any right to bankruptcy protection or legal protection from corporate thugs (think big tobacco), citing bootstraps and the American dream. -step 4: demand that taxpayers bail you out once you have stolen everything -step 5: make profits, don't pay taxpayers back In response to this, the very first step that should be taken by Congress (assuming we ever get one) is to strip corporations of their "person-hood" and put behind bars every white collar crook anywhere near this fiasco - including those taking bribes in government. |
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I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole. I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation. |
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It has been a Republican dominated congress until two years ago and even now the Dems don't have a veto-proof majority in the senate (60 votes - there are 51 dems).
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jesus quoting a far left site like that as a source is like someone using Fox News as a source for the right wingers.
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Just because these guys were waving their arms around about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac doesn't necessarily mean they were onto what ultimately befell these two institutions. I think it's presumptuous to assume that Bush and McCain had the good of the people in mind when they made these overtures. We know that McCain is a committed "deregulator" and Bush isn't exactly FDR either, so whatever was up their sleeve may not have been what you think it was. I'm going to look into this and if Bush and McCain were purely honorable, then good for them, but don't forget that McCain's campaign chairman, Rick Davis, was a lobbyist for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
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Former and future lobbyists are OK. The Obama campaign restricts current lobbyists from joining the campaign. But a bunch of former lobbyists have helped out—including deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand, Teal Baker, and Emmett Beliveau—who could easily slip back onto K Street once the campaign is over. Obama now has 14 bundlers who are also federally registered lobbyists, but they are currently inactive, according to Public Citizen.
Every side has it's lobbyists
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Seems like congress has no idea what to do huh..
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Former and future lobbyists are OK. The Obama campaign restricts current lobbyists from joining the campaign. But a bunch of former lobbyists have helped out—including deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand, Teal Baker, and Emmett Beliveau—who could easily slip back onto K Street once the campaign is over. Obama now has 14 bundlers who are also federally registered lobbyists, but they are currently inactive, according to Public Citizen. Every side has it's lobbyists http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aVPBaUbYV_qQ Seems like congress has no idea what to do huh.. |
And to ElCap's post, you're right. On this particular issue, I think it's deregulation-mad Republicans' cross to bear. On another issue, I might be more willing to contemplate Dem culpability, because as I've said many times over, Dems piss me off a lot too, but they're leagues closer to my ideals than Repubs.
And in looking back at congress' flirtation with addressing this looming disaster, I ran across this McCain interview from December 2007:
| Q: “Well the dimension of this problem may be surprising to a lot of people, but to many people, to many others there were feelings that there was something amiss, something was going too fast, something was a little too hot. Going back several years. Were you one of them? Or, I mean you’re a busy guy, you’re looking at a lot of things, maybe subprime mortgages wasn’t something you focused on every day. Were you surprised? McCain: “Yeah. And I was surprised at the dot-com collapse and I was surprised at other times in our history. I don’t know if surprised is the word, but... Q: “S&Ls?” McCain: “I don’t -- what did you say?” Q: “The S&Ls." McCain: "Yeah, the S&Ls." Q: "Is this bigger than that? McCain: “I don’t know the dimensions of this. It’s hard to know what the dimensions are. As I say, I never thought I’d pick up the paper and see a city in Norway is somehow dramatically impacted by it. When I say ‘surprised’ I’m not surprised when in capitalist systems that there’s greed and excess. I think it was Teddy Roosevelt who said ‘unfettered capitalism leads to corruption’ or something like that, that people have disputed for years. “But so, in this whole new derivative stuff, and SIBs and all of this kind of new ways of packaging mortgages together and all that is something that frankly I don’t know a lot about. "But I do rely on a lot of smart people that I have that are both in my employ and acquaintances of mine. And most of them did not anticipate this. Most of them, I mean I can find some that did. But, a guy that’s on my staff named Doug Holtz-Eakin, who was once the head of the Office of Management and Budget, said that there was nervousness out there. There’s nervousness. There was nervousness that we had such a long period of prosperity without a downturn because of the history of our economy. But I don’t know of hardly anybody, with the exception of a handful, that said ‘wait a minute, this thing is getting completely out of hand and is overheating.' "So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.” |
And again, there's the Gramm-Leach-Billey act during Clinton's administration in which the Republicans in Congress stripped away the Glass-Steagall act which protected Americans from exactly this kind of disaster. McCain was one of the Senators that voted for it, giving it a veto-proof majority. His best pal Phil Gramm was one of the sponsors. Phil Gramm and his wife, who went to work for Enron and made a killing. Phil Gramm who is even now a lobbyist for French bank UBS, in addition to being McCain's shadow economic adviser.
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This is depressing.....
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I would rather have my government regulating businesses more than they have than bailing them out when THEY fuck up.
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I don't understand, so you mean he's kind of like a political Mr. Magoo, an old blind guy occasionally stumbling upon the right decision and bill to support without really knowing what is going on?
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The only times he's called for more regulation, seemingly, is when Democrats were the ones who were pushing for deregulating more vociferously. (Fannie and Freddie) Or when something's obviously gone fubar and he needs to do a mea culpa. (Energy dereg and Enron) Otherwise he's been doctrinaire conservative/deregulator in his economic policies, espousing a philosophy that has directly lead to many of these crises.
But ultimately, what's more important than John McCain occasionally taking on "corruption" within the Democratic ranks is his utter inability to take on the corruption within his own ranks. In fact, he was often a cheerleader for terrible policy that originated from his side. This goes to the heart of what kind of politician McCain is. He might say the right things about an issue, but his motivation is really to make the other side look bad, not necessarily to do right because otherwise, he'd have more follow-through and just be more consistent.
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Also, any bi-partisan legislation he's ever worked with, is for show. All of these efforts should be viewed as cynical attempts to undermine the Democrats.
Did I get it right?
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But I have a question for you and Snaieke: are you saying that McCain is historically pro-government regulation?
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So, ignore the vote and statements regarding Fannie Mae and attribute that to being a partisan hack. Only interested in making Democrats look bad.
Also, any bi-partisan legislation he's ever worked with, is for show. All of these efforts should be viewed as cynical attempts to undermine the Democrats. Did I get it right? |
Sorta. You're obviously free to make your own determination as to why McCain only supported regulation on these 2 issues throughout his entire 26 year career of deregulation.
I'm not saying there isn't a hint of honesty in what he's saying. I'm saying that the John McCain who voted correctly on these issues and the John McCain who as voted incorrectly dozens of times do not make any sense when placed together. Why that is the case is certainly up for debate.
My ultimate point here is that the John McCain that has been running this campaign, the craven opportunist and, yeah, partisan that has bubbled up to the surface, is perhaps the real John McCain. Its just more obvious and splayed out there for all to see now that he is running a national general election campaign.
You like McCain. I get that. (I kinda sorta did too at one point.) But at this moment before we're asked to vote for him, can anyone really say with any confidence that they know what he stands for? Its a genuinely troubling situation that is entirely of his own making. All I'm saying is that the clues to the McCain we're seeing today are there in his past, if you want to see them.
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I'd like to know more about what he was getting at, because as he explains in his 2007 interview, he "didn't see it coming."
But I have a question for you and Snaieke: are you saying that McCain is historically pro-government regulation? |
Here's the catch YT. Everyone SAW it coming the real question was when the music would stop and who would be left without chairs and no one knew that answer.
McCain isn't an economic dynomo but he's been on the ball this week, we do need some regulations and Cox should have been fired and he took the bullet and said the fundamentals of our economy are sound. It doesn't matter if the fundamentals of our economy are sound when there is a disaster on Wall Street. What matters is leaders SAYING the fundamentals are sound so Johnny the teacher doesn't take his money out of the bank in a panic and turn his 401k from funds to CASH. That was why I was so very disappointed in the partisan politics Obama was playing on Monday..then Tuesday... then Wednesday.. You don't come out and say the fundamentals are bad when we're in a financial crisis.. that's to be said later on after it is over.
Apparently, Obama got the memo.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/...a_financial_dc
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