CHUD.com Community › Forums › POLITICS & RELIGION › Political Discourse › Govt: WoW Could Be Used For Terrorist Training
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Govt: WoW Could Be Used For Terrorist Training

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Wasn't really sure where to post this, since it kinda falls under both games and politics.

Go to Wired for the full article:

Quote:
In a presentation late last week at the Director of National Intelligence Open Source Conference in Washington, Dr. Dwight Toavs, a professor at the Pentagon-funded National Defense University, gave a bit of a primer on virtual worlds to an audience largely ignorant about what happens in these online spaces. Then he launched into a scenario, to demonstrate how a meatspace plot might be hidden by in-game chatter.

In it, two World of Warcraft players discuss a raid on the "White Keep" inside the "Stonetalon Mountains." The major objective is to set off a "Dragon Fire spell" inside, and make off with "110 Gold and 234 Silver" in treasure. "No one will dance there for a hundred years after this spell is cast," one player, "war_monger," crows.

Except, in this case, the White Keep is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. "Dragon Fire" is an unconventional weapon. And "110 Gold and 234 Silver" tells the plotters how to align the game's map with one of Washington, D.C.
The fictional plot was originally developed by Dan Arey, for the Director of National Intelligence's Summer Hard Problems workshop, or SHARP. And its details are a little fuzzy. The terminology doesn't match World of Warcraft lingo, all that precisely. There is no "White Keep" in World of Warcraft; "Dragon Fire" is a spell in EverQuest, the old-school role-playing game, not WoW. But the banter is reminiscent enough of World of Warcraft talk, to give outsiders an idea of how such a conversation might go down -- and how hard it would be to identify.

Steven Aftergood, the Federation of the American Scientists analyst who's been following the intelligence community for years, wonders how realistic these sorts of scenarios are, really. "This concern is out there. But it has to be viewed in context. It's the job of intelligence agencies to anticipate threats and counter them. With that orientation, they're always going to give more weight to a particular scenario than an objective analysis would allow," he tells Danger Room. "Could terrorists use Second Life? Sure, they can use anything. But is it a significant augmentation? That's not obvious. It's a scenario that an intelligence officer is duty-bound to consider. That's all."

Toavs, for one, believes that spies will have to spend more time in virtual worlds like WoW, if they want to have a hope of keeping tabs on what goes on inside 'em. Which means, some day soon, we might find secret agents in World of Warcraft, along with the druids and orcs and night elves.
This seems remarkably stupid. The fact that our Govt. may actually be considering nerd banter to be terrorists hatching some plot is kind of frightening, let alone the amount of money they probably drained into researching this bullshit.
post #2 of 19
What a fun job that'd be. Reading transcript after transcript of "NO DKP FOR YOU!!!" and other raid chatter should explode those agent's heads on their first day of work.
post #3 of 19
what a damn waste of our tax money...
post #4 of 19
And how many games are de facto recruiting tools for the military? Let's see that study.
post #5 of 19
I know for a fact that Uniracers was.
post #6 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil View Post
And how many games are de facto recruiting tools for the military? Let's see that study.
This one certainly was:

post #7 of 19
Second Life is so user-unfriendly it would be a colossal exercise in frustration (with strange avatars wearing dick appendages on their heads flitting by every so often). On the other hand, a WoW exercise would be like something out of South Park. "MAAAAAM! BATHROOM!"
post #8 of 19
Well...some guilds are really co-ordinated, especially in some of the larger raids. However, these guys haven't seen the sunlight in years, so I don't think we need to worry about them. About any of us!

err...them, them, I meant 'them'.
post #9 of 19
"What have you got for me today Agent Johnson?"

"Well, according to the chat, Chuck Norris is about to rape our faces and the terrorists may or may not have gotten all of our 'lewt', Agent Johnson."

"...We're not related."
post #10 of 19
So Al Qaeda ISN'T going to try and say, smuggle in anything bad to any of our woefully understaffed and unprotected ports? Or undermine any progress we've made in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or try and assemble enough fissionable material to make a dirty bomb, to perchance set off in one of our cities or water supplies?

Instead, Bin Laden's next move will be to disrupt our supplies of Manna and steal our Cloudsongs? That crafty sumbitch! Oh the +2 Damage I'd do to him if I could find him!
post #11 of 19
Sometimes I wonder if I'm dreaming I'm reading news on boards/internet, which is pathetic by itself, but not as much as considering the world in which I was born is this fucking stupid.
post #12 of 19

Terrorists wasting bandwidth on slowmoving mm-Bore-rg

And this is how the Ministry of Peace starts to balance those scales....

Panic Me Elmo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grover
“I, your furry, blue friend Grover, have a story to share. Are you wondering what it is about? I will give you an itty-bitty hint: It is about getting ready for emergencies! Oh boy, that was a big hint. Do you want to get ready, too? You do? Oh, I am so pleased. Then read this story with me, and let us get ready together!”
I concede that a small degree of preparation is always a good idea with kids. Leaving children completely in the dark(or the closet, or a parked car, or the toy section at Sears)is never really a smart move. This just strikes me as a bit too, well, subtle. Sure, you don't want to terrorize the little bastards(that's what ISLAMOFASCISTS are for), but couching it all in something so mundane for them, to me, just seems to dilute the impact. If you're going to prepare them to handle something, then prepare them!.
post #13 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timothy225 View Post
Instead, Bin Laden's next move will be to disrupt our supplies of Manna and steal our Cloudsongs? That crafty sumbitch! Oh the +2 Damage I'd do to him if I could find him!
Come on, man, if you're going to be sarcastic, at least get your facts straight! Cloudsong is from Dark Age of Camelot! sheesh!

...I hang my head in shame...
post #14 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil View Post
And how many games are de facto recruiting tools for the military? Let's see that study.
They don't even hide that, though. America's Army was designed by the military for the sole purpose of recruitment.
post #15 of 19
Laugh all you want but I'll bet that a top WOW guild, like Nihilum for example, would be a much more dangerous foe than Al Qaeda. They're smart, dedicated, increibly organized and worst of all they're predominantly white. This last fact alone would completely undermine US's counter-terrorism strategy which seems to be brown=bad.
post #16 of 19
Did they have anything to say about that Jesus freak game where the player runs around New York killing/Rapturing American sinners?
post #17 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
Did they have anything to say about that Jesus freak game where the player runs around New York killing/Rapturing American sinners?
Hey! I own that.

Of course, it's for the same reason I own Abe Lincoln Paper Dolls, a Titanic coloring book, Russ Doughten's THIEF IN THE NIGHT apocalypse quadrilogy and a clock that sings the Hallelujah Chorus at the top of every hour. It's my "Legacy of Tacky American Shit" that I plan to leave to my children. If all goes well, they will not be able to fathom just what kind of lunatic culture we lived in. This collection will help.
post #18 of 19
Speaking of WoW and terrorist attacks, it's a damn shame no one went and back-capped the Twin Towers. Shame.

(a little Alterac Valley humor there for the nerds)
post #19 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Hey! I own that.

Of course, it's for the same reason I own Abe Lincoln Paper Dolls, a Titanic coloring book, Russ Doughten's THIEF IN THE NIGHT apocalypse quadrilogy and a clock that sings the Hallelujah Chorus at the top of every hour. It's my "Legacy of Tacky American Shit" that I plan to leave to my children. If all goes well, they will not be able to fathom just what kind of lunatic culture we lived in. This collection will help.
Hm. I think I have an empty Harley Davidson cigarette package around here somewhere.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Political Discourse
CHUD.com Community › Forums › POLITICS & RELIGION › Political Discourse › Govt: WoW Could Be Used For Terrorist Training