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post #151 of 1157
9/24/08 at 2:30am
Free Sarah Palin

I love Campbell Brown. She manages to keep the high ground and make her point without lowering expectations of impending Palin Q+A.
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post #152 of 1157
9/24/08 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by Master Shake View Post
True Fact: After the debate Bentsen actually stepped to Dan Quayle for his lunch money.
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post #153 of 1157
9/24/08 at 4:56am
Wait. So the man who supposedly had no experience on international relations has a BA from Columbia on international relations?
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post #154 of 1157
9/24/08 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by mastronikolas View Post
Wait. So the man who supposedly had no experience on international relations has a BA from Columbia on international relations?
Apparently he doesn't have enough "hands on" experience, but as far as I recall he has traveled around a lot.
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post #155 of 1157
9/24/08 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Free Sarah Palin

I love Campbell Brown. She manages to keep the high ground and make her point without lowering expectations of impending Palin Q+A.
Seems like Brown was the only one to take up the offer of borrowing Hillary's balls.
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post #156 of 1157
9/24/08 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by Master Shake View Post
I admit, he had a pretty good retort to that.
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post #157 of 1157
9/24/08 at 12:44pm
Consider what a joke Quayle was, and how much more qualified for the VP job he was than Palin.

She's no Dan Quayle.
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post #158 of 1157
9/24/08 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Master Shake View Post
Oh dear. Did he POUT?
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post #159 of 1157
9/24/08 at 1:05pm
Let's go back to the video tape.

I wouldn't say he pouted, but he may have gotten misty eyed.
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post #160 of 1157
9/24/08 at 1:08pm
The shine is definitely coming off of Palin. I love that they are even using a "menacing" picture for this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/13823
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post #161 of 1157
9/24/08 at 1:29pm
Has any election been won because of choice of VP? I'm seriously asking, because the hype around Palin is insane. As much as I agree with people that she is an awful choice for running mate*, spurred largely by identity politics, she is a distraction from the real issues at hand. I sincerely hope the media - and my friends (the emails are never ending) - quite focusing so much on Sarah and start debating Obama's and McCain's programmatic platforms. The debate this Friday should hopefully start this process.


* Same goes for Biden. What a GD idiot he is.
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post #162 of 1157
9/24/08 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Has any election been won because of choice of VP? I'm seriously asking, because the hype around Palin is insane. As much as I agree with people that she is an awful choice for running mate*, spurred largely by identity politics, she is a distraction from the real issues at hand. I sincerely hope the media - and my friends (the emails are never ending) - quite focusing so much on Sarah and start debating Obama's and McCain's programmatic platforms. The debate this Friday should hopefully start this process.


* Same goes for Biden. What a GD idiot he is.
I disagree. Palin is the issue at hand. If McCain de facto endorses her style of government then it paints a frightening picture of what his administration would look like.
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post #163 of 1157
9/24/08 at 2:04pm
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Has any election been won because of choice of VP?
Johnson delivered Texas in the then narrowest election in US history.

Texas went blue. California went red.

Cats and dogs bought a beachfront condo.
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post #164 of 1157
9/24/08 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
I disagree. Palin is the issue at hand. If McCain de facto endorses her style of government then it paints a frightening picture of what his administration would look like.
That's a big if. McCain's ideology seems less similar than similar to Palins. I can't imagine he'd change ideology all that much.
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post #165 of 1157
9/24/08 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
That's a big if. McCain's ideology seems less similar than similar to Palins. I can't imagine he'd change ideology all that much.
Isn't that pretty much his general tactic since the 2000 elections? People aren't throwing about the term "sellout" lightly.
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post #166 of 1157
9/24/08 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
That's a big if. McCain's ideology seems less similar than similar to Palins. I can't imagine he'd change ideology all that much.
I would say he endorsed her style of government by, you know, picking her to run as his slection for VP.
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post #167 of 1157
9/24/08 at 3:26pm
Why would you say that, tho? He obviously picked her, or was pushed to pick her, to energize the base. Doesn't mean he becomes her.
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post #168 of 1157
9/24/08 at 3:30pm
I think McCain's entirely incidental and powerless in a McCain administration, and that just realizing his ambition to be president will be enough of a prize for him, spoken or unspoken. I think whoever ran the Bush administration (Cheney or his sith master) will continue running things, with Palin as a faithful backup for these despots in the event that McCain is incapacitated.
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post #169 of 1157
9/24/08 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick View Post
Why would you say that, tho? He obviously picked her, or was pushed to pick her, to energize the base. Doesn't mean he becomes her.
To tap her as his immediate successor indicates approval of the way she governs. If he does not approve then he is beyond disingenuous when he claims he puts country first.
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post #170 of 1157
9/24/08 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
he is beyond disingenuous when he claims he puts country first.
That's probably pretty much all you needed right there, bud.
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post #171 of 1157
9/24/08 at 3:55pm
Of course he's disingenuous - he's a politician. I just think it's fairly easy criticize Palin and how she's being used without trying to do some math that has McCain subscribing to her personal belief system. What yt wrote above is accurate, I'd say.
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post #172 of 1157
9/24/08 at 4:06pm
Palin's beliefs on issues and her records on how she's conducted the business of her government (obfuscation, cronyism, etc) are two entirely different things.
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post #173 of 1157
9/24/08 at 4:07pm
Or how she governs.
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post #174 of 1157
9/24/08 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
To tap her as his immediate successor indicates approval of the way she governs. If he does not approve then he is beyond disingenuous when he claims he puts country first.
Not necessarily. His fatal flaw might not be in his disingenuousness, but in his hubris.

I have no doubt that McCain considers himself to be the person to lead the country. Now, when you're able to convince yourself of this (and Obama has, as well, or he wouldn't be running), at what point does it become reasonable to pull back? If someone tells you, "Hey, I've got a VP candidate here that will energize the base, pick up a lot of centrist Clinton fans, and revitalize your campaign so that you, John McCain, the candidate who can actually fix this country, will become president," do you take a pass because this person doesn't conform to your ideal? Or does pride motivate you to put her on the ticket, secure that she will essentially be powerless once you get into office, anyway?

Now, the chief reason that this logic is flawed is because it fails to recognize McCain's own mortality and his death's repercussions on the country-at-large. But that's how hubris works. Would it surprise anyone to find out that someone running for president of the United States has a slightly inflated sense of immortality?
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post #175 of 1157
9/24/08 at 4:36pm
Dave gets to right to it. McCain might die and we'll all be stuck with her.
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post #176 of 1157
9/24/08 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
Would it surprise anyone to find out that someone running for president of the United States has a slightly inflated sense of immortality?
DaveB wins another thread.
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post #177 of 1157
9/24/08 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
Dave gets to right to it. McCain might die and we'll all be stuck with her.
Which occurs to us, but not to him. At least not on a level that would make him factor it in when employing what he probably saw as mere strategy. We've heard that she wasn't his first choice - I suspect when he learned that Lieberman wasn't a possibility, he probably just said, "Fuck it. If I can't win it my way, I'll at least win it some way."

As for the God complex thing, I was heartened to read that Obama acknowledges this aspect of himself and of all politicians in The Audacity of Hope. The mere recognition of it speaks to his self-awareness and even a humility of sorts. But, then, his choice of running-mate doesn't display the same sort of crazy hubris. Say what you will about Biden, but Obama didn't pick a guy who would be an absolutely ludicrous pick to run the country in his absence. He acknowledges his mortality on some level and isn't risking the welfare of his country for the sake of a cheap campaign ploy.
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post #178 of 1157
9/24/08 at 5:59pm
I think McCain just wants to be president for one term, and it doesn't enter his mind that he could die while in office. Similar to how young people think they're immortal? Probably not, but I think DaveB is more correct describing it as "hubris".
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post #179 of 1157
9/24/08 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
As for the God complex thing, I was heartened to read that Obama acknowledges this aspect of himself and of all politicians in The Audacity of Hope. The mere recognition of it speaks to his self-awareness and even a humility of sorts. But, then, his choice of running-mate doesn't display the same sort of crazy hubris. Say what you will about Biden, but Obama didn't pick a guy who would be an absolutely ludicrous pick to run the country in his absence. He acknowledges his mortality on some level and isn't risking the welfare of his country for the sake of a cheap campaign ploy.
I know I may not add much to the discussion with this, but great post DaveB. It's something I had noticed as well but would not have put so eloquently. That's not to say that this difference is all that I would base my vote on but it is one of MANY things that makes voting Obama in November a really easy thing to do for me.
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post #180 of 1157
9/24/08 at 6:55pm


lol

Pakistan's president tells Palin she is 'gorgeous'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...e-is-gorgeous/

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NEW YORK (CNN) – Sarah Palin and the foreign leaders she has met with in New York have said very little to reporters over the last two days, but the press happened to be in the room on Wednesday for one eyebrow-raising exchange, as the new president of Pakistan lavished praise on Palin's looks.


On entering a room filled with several Pakistani officials this afternoon, Palin was immediately greeted by Sherry Rehman, the country's Information Minister.


"And how does one keep looking that good when one is that busy?," Rehman asked, drawing friendly laughter from the room when she complimented Palin.


"Oh, thank you," Palin said.


Pakistan's recently-elected president, Asif Ali Zardari, entered the room seconds later. Palin rose to shake his hand, saying she was “honored” to meet him.


Zardari then called her "gorgeous" and said: "Now I know why the whole of America is crazy about you."


"You are so nice," Palin said, smiling. "Thank you."


A handler from Zardari's entourage then told the two politicians to keep shaking hands for the cameras.


"If he's insisting, I might hug," Zardari said. Palin smiled politely.


The Alaska governor did not answer questions from reporters at her first two appearances on Wednesday, when she joined McCain in meetings with Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili and Ukrainian president Viktor Yushchenko, and then traveled downtown to meet with Iraqi president Jalal Talabani.


But she did offer brief remarks to a reporter at the Zardari meeting who asked about her day.


"It's going great," Palin said. "These meetings are very informative and helpful, and a lot of good people sharing appreciation for America."
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post #181 of 1157
9/24/08 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post


lol

Pakistan's president tells Palin she is 'gorgeous'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...e-is-gorgeous/
Boy, I bet the Republicans don't call "sexism" on this, right?
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post #182 of 1157
9/24/08 at 7:05pm
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Boy, I bet the Republicans don't call "sexism" on this, right?
Damn, beat me to that.
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post #183 of 1157
9/24/08 at 8:20pm
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...nd_Couric.html

COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government.

COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.
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post #184 of 1157
9/24/08 at 8:28pm
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COURIC: But polls have shown that Senator Obama has actually gotten a boost as a result of this latest crisis with more people feeling that he can handle the situation better than John McCain?

PALIN: I'm not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who's more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who's actually done it?

COURIC: If this doesn't pass, do you think there's a risk of another Great Depression?

PALIN: Unfortunately, that is the road that America may find itself on. Not necessarily this as it's been proposed has to pass or we're going to find ourselves in another Great Depression. There has got to be action--bipartisan effort--Congress not pointing fingers at one another but finding the solution to this, taking action, and being serious about the reforms on Wall Street that are needed.

COURIC: Would you support a moratorium on foreclosures to help average Americans keep their homes?

PALIN: That's something that John McCain and I have both been discussing whether that is part of the solution or not...you know, it's going to be a multi-faceted that has to be found here.

COURIC: So you haven't decided whether you'll support it or not?

PALIN: I have not.

COURIC: What are the pros and cons of it do you think?

PALIN: Well, some decisions that have been made poorly should not be rewarded of course.

COURIC: By consumers, you're saying?

PALIN: Consumers and those who were predator lenders also. That's, you know, that has to be considered also. But again, it's got to be a comprehensive long term solution found for this problem that America is facing today. As I say, we are getting into crisis mode here.

COURIC: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

PALIN: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie--that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.
Sooooo many words. Just words on words on words. She is not actually saying anything. If you read it enough, they actually stop being intelligble. It's like that Twilight Zone episode where Robert Klein gradually stopped understanding the english everyone else was speaking.
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post #185 of 1157
9/24/08 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.
Judging by the look in her eyes as she said this, Katie had better watch her back for pretty much the rest of her life.
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post #186 of 1157
9/24/08 at 10:36pm
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Damn, beat me to that.
"The Liberal Pakistani media is at it again!! Obama should fire the PM immediately!!"
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post #187 of 1157
9/24/08 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
: He's also known as the maverick though.
ARGH!!!!
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post #188 of 1157
9/24/08 at 10:56pm
"Maverick... you big stud. Take me to Washington or lose me forever."
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post #189 of 1157
9/24/08 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...nd_Couric.html

COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government.

COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.
No lie, she sounds exactly like Elisabeth Hasselback here.
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post #190 of 1157
9/25/08 at 12:34am
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Sooooo many words. Just words on words on words. She is not actually saying anything. If you read it enough, they actually stop being intelligble. It's like that Twilight Zone episode where Robert Klein gradually stopped understanding the english everyone else was speaking.
Or as Charlie Gibson put it : "A blizzard of words". She's really indecipherable.
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post #191 of 1157
9/25/08 at 3:20am
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Originally Posted by CocoaSugarbaker View Post
No lie, she sounds exactly like Elisabeth Hasselback here.
Poor Palin. She crammed foreign policy all week for nothing!
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post #192 of 1157
9/25/08 at 4:24am
I love that Palin tried to convince Katie that "America" just does not care about what Obama thinks about the economic crisis. Nope. They just couldn't care less. Except that they ... do. According to the polls anyway. But Palin doesn't care about the polls either, so whatevaaar Katie! Irrelevant!
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post #193 of 1157
9/25/08 at 4:35am
And what the hell, Palin should suspend her campaign too!

I swear I thought this article was from the Onion:
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John McCain's campaign has floated the possibility that Sarah Palin may also suspend her campaign, matching McCain’s announcement that he would cease campaigning for president to return to Washington to try to hammer out a fix for the nation’s financial meltdown.

As the governor of Alaska, Palin cannot participate in the high-level federal government deliberations on the economy that McCain gave as his reason for suspending his campaign.

Yet, after McCain’s dramatic announcement, his campaign chief Steve Schmidt suggested Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, would also suspend her campaign.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13883.html
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post #194 of 1157
9/25/08 at 5:41am
Wow. I just watched the video of Palin on CBS. She looks worn the fuck out. She has the look of someone who wants to get off the ride.
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post #195 of 1157
9/25/08 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Sooooo many words. Just words on words on words. She is not actually saying anything. If you read it enough, they actually stop being intelligble.
Breaking news: McCain replaces running mate with new VP candidate.
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post #196 of 1157
9/25/08 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by mongycore View Post
Dude, don't do that again. That freaked me the fuck out.

It's like being Rickrolled, only worse.
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post #197 of 1157
9/25/08 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
Dave gets to right to it. McCain might die and we'll all be stuck with her.
This is obviously the biggest concern, but also smacks of ageism. Yes, he's had a history of health problems, but they largely consist of skin cancer. His heart and lungs are in excellent condition. He's not gonna just drop dead once he hits the office. 71 is old, but in an age when people live well into their 90's, we can't quite call him a walking corpse yet.

Again, it is concerning that Palin was picked as his Veep, but the hype around her is blown way out of proportion and is a major distraction. Me sending monetary donations to Planned Parenthood in her name (as an e-mail forward suggested) is a great humanitarian effort, but has nothing to do with whether or not Obama or McCain can win this election. Palin's hype is getting the very people who should be focusing on electing a candidate engaged in mindless activities that have nothing to do with the race.
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post #198 of 1157
9/25/08 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
This is obviously the biggest concern, but also smacks of ageism. Yes, he's had a history of health problems, but they largely consist of skin cancer. His heart and lungs are in excellent condition. He's not gonna just drop dead once he hits the office. 71 is old, but in an age when people live well into their 90's, we can't quite call him a walking corpse yet.
Some people live well into their 90s but the average lifespan for a U.S. male is 75 years old. Since McCain is actually 72, if he managed to complete his first term, he would be living on borrowed time.

Furthermore, we don't even know his full health history since the way the McCain campaign chose to reveal it was by giving a handful of reporters a massive stack of documents, three hours, and a rule to not copy anything down.

I agree that Palin is a distraction but because of McCain's age and health concerns, we might as well be vetting a Presidential candidate. And since she's never been on the national stage before, the amount of information out there is close to nothing (as opposed to if he had picked Romney or Lieberman for his running mate).
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post #199 of 1157
9/25/08 at 12:42pm
Thread Starter 
She's a republican, so it doesn't matter that she (more than likely) is an adulteress.
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post #200 of 1157
9/25/08 at 12:50pm
Remember when Drudge and other conservative websites were calling out "the media" for not following the Enquirer's lead on the Edwards affair? I'm sure they'll do the same with this story, right?

Right?
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