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post #751 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
What I meant was people were anticipating her crying in the debate as a way to gain symphaty, I can only assume this was even brought up becase she's a woman.

Same thing with Hillary, again, if she cried in a debate I doubt the reaction would have been the same.
Yes, this is legitimate sexism. I don't see how this is related to your argument about sexism in those Palin jokes.
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post #752 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:43pm
Diva, what 's your justification for the "My pussy's so hot" gif? Did that joke write itself as well?
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post #753 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Diva, what 's your justification for the "My pussy's so hot" gif? Did that joke write itself as well?
How the FUCK is that sexist? Seriously. Is acknowledging that women have vaginas at all now sexist? Because fuck that. No pun intended. It's silly. It's wordplay. Lip reading nonsense. As sexist as, and apparently I must repeat myself, Biden saying something that could be mistaken for MY COCK IS GIGANTIC by a lip reader. Gender specific humor isn't sexist humor.

I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but come on now.
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post #754 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
What I meant was people were anticipating her crying in the debate as a way to gain symphaty, I can only assume this was even brought up becase she's a woman.

Same thing with Hillary, again, if she cried in a debate I doubt the reaction would have been the same.
If that's true, you're right, that's a sexist lean, but I personally didn't see anyone predicting that she'd cry to gain sympathy, the only reference to crying I saw was in regards to how she might react to hard questioning, given her performance with Couric. I honestly don't feel that was a sexist thing, if Biden had been equally flummoxed by a simple interview with Couric, I think people would be betting on his possible stream of tears during a hardcore debate (a hardcore debate that never happened unfortunately).

If Palin hadn't been a bumbling idiot during her interview, I don't see the crying thing being brought up at all. It wasn't a gender issue, it was an intelligence issue.
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post #755 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
How the FUCK is that sexist?
Wait... what? Seriously?
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post #756 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Yes, this is legitimate sexism. I don't see how this is related to your argument about sexism in those Palin jokes.
My point goes beyond those jokes (and the C-nt shirts), just observations on how female politicians are sometimes represented by those who oppose them. You could really say this started as a discussion, at least for me, since the primaries and how some of us talked about Hillary Clinton. Heck, until that point, I didn't know "shrill" was such an offensive statement to women, so I'm trying to discuss that, the jokes, and the general criticisms of what is acceptable or not when talking about these politicians.

This is probably in the wrong thread btw.
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post #757 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
See, people make fun of Bush for being dumb, but don't refer to his sexual organs all the time to make that joke work. Same goes for Dan Quayle.
You never got around to captioning this one yourself. Or did I misread the intended snicker?
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post #758 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Wait... what? Seriously?
Seriously as cancer. But this doesn't surprise me in a world where fucking "shrill" is now a sexist word.

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post #759 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Trav McGee View Post
You never got around to captioning this one yourself. Or did I misread the intended snicker?
Hahaha, good one. However, I think that is different, the first jokes that come to my mind of Biden have nothing to do with the fact that he is a man, and the one I had in mind for that one didn't rely on his own gender either. (the caption I was thinking I was going to make about another poster, and I'm glad I didn't).
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post #760 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
Seriously as cancer. But this doesn't surprise me in a world where fucking "shrill" is now a sexist word.
The "My pussy's so hot" gif has nothing to do with her political persona, her record, her views or any quality that has bearing on whether or not she should be elected to office. It only has to do with the fact that she is female and some people find her attractive.

Moreover, I suspect Devin posted it just because it was the most obnoxious thing he could find following the reaction to the comic posted earlier.

So how is it NOT sexist?
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post #761 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
There's a dinosaur!
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post #762 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
The "My pussy's so hot" gif has nothing to do with her political persona, her record, her views or any quality that has bearing on whether or not she should be elected to office. It only has to do with the fact that she is female and some people find her attractive.

Moreover, I suspect Devin posted it just because it was the most obnoxious thing he could find following the reaction to the comic posted earlier.
So by your logic the picture I just posted of George W. Bush is sexist.
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post #763 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:56pm
And when did Biden actually cry? Yeah, he got choked up, it wasn't like he let loose the waterworks like John Boehner. Christ.
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post #764 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Diva, what'd you think of how she handles deer that come barging into her (white) house?
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post #765 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:58pm
Based on our previous discussions, I would say odds are that Palin or Clinton (Hillary) chocking up would have been seen here with much more suspision than Biden.
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post #766 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
So by your logic the picture I just posted of George W. Bush is sexist.
Why would a man holding a carrot be sexist?
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post #767 of 1157
10/15/08 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
The "My pussy's so hot" gif has nothing to do with her political persona, her record, her views or any quality that has bearing on whether or not she should be elected to office. It only has to do with the fact that she is female and some people find her attractive.
Not entirely. It's toying with the notion that Palin is a righteous, Pro-Life, Jesus-obsessed puritan.
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post #768 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:00pm
Thread Starter 
I thought it was a reference to Election, with Palin Track Flick, but that's just how I read it.
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post #769 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky View Post
Not entirely. It's toying with the notion that Palin is a righteous, Pro-Life, Jesus-obsessed puritan.
How?
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post #770 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
And when did Biden actually cry? Yeah, he got choked up, it wasn't like he let loose the waterworks like John Boehner. Christ.
I know, which was the point of my response to ElCap., The crying references were completely unrelated. If Palin had handled herself AT ALL during the subsequent interviews, crying would have not entered into the debate talk. Had Biden been fucking clueless in interviews, then crying upon being stumped would have been on the table for him. The crying talk wasn't "she's a woman, she better not cry!" It was "holy fuck she looked so frustrated and stumped during these easy interviews over moderate questioning, if she faces harder questioning will she cry?" Had Biden done the same leading up to the debate, I feel similar language would have been used towards him.

edited for spelling, because I'm buzzed, due to a coworker having a birthday today


only buzzed though
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post #771 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Why would a man holding a carrot be sexist?
Exactly.


MY PUSSY'S SO HOT is as sexist as Carrot Dick Bush. It's not. It's just ridiculous. Nothing more.
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post #772 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Based on our previous discussions, I would say odds are that Palin or Clinton (Hillary) chocking up would have been seen here with much more suspision than Biden.
Seeing as how Biden lost his wife and two kids in a car accident, yeah, probably so.
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post #773 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:03pm
Please be fair to my point and realize that I also included the reaction to Hillary "crying" during the primaries, which I've mentioned more than once already.
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post #774 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
Exactly.


MY PUSSY'S SO HOT is as sexist as Carrot Dick Bush. It's not. It's just ridiculous. Nothing more.
You are seriously losing it. One is a picture of a man holding a carrot, the other is an animated image of a woman with the caption "My pussy's so hot." You're comparing apples and toasters. I'm waiting for someone to make a joke about masturbating to the Bush holding a carrot picture.
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post #775 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:05pm
That palin's president website is glorious. The Dart at the baby names killed me.
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post #776 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
You are seriously losing it. One is a picture of a man holding a carrot, the other is an animated image of a woman with the caption "My pussy's so hot." You're comparing apples and toasters. I'm waiting for someone to make a joke about masturbating to the Bush holding a carrot picture.
I do not think I'm the one who's losing it here.
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post #777 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:09pm
No one is arguing that there isn't sexism in the campaign, the point is the joke.

Imagine you were telling that joke about her husband Todd.

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Q:What's the difference between your mouth and your wife's vagina?

A:Only some of the stuff that comes out of your wife's vagina is retarded.
In no way is that joke sexist. It is making fun of an unfortunate situation their family has to deal with and that babies come out of vaginas but in no way is it using gender bias to make the joke.
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post #778 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
How?
Palin paints herself as a righteous, Pro-Life, Jesus-obsessed puritan. The joke subverts this characterization by having her mime something overtly sexual. It's a little like hearing Betty White talk about cocks, but in Palin's case, she's not in on the joke.
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post #779 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Please be fair to my point and realize that I also included the reaction to Hillary "crying" during the primaries, which I've mentioned more than once already.
I understand that, but you're painting it too simplistically. Hillary is a known entity, and that entity has been painted with tendencies (also due to Bill) of being manipulative. When Hillary cried, people thought it seemed a bit forced, maybe due to the context of the moment, and maybe due to history with her and Bill. People didn't see her as being weak for it, they saw her as being fake. With Palin, we have someone that nobody expects to cry out of sympathy, not even republicans, due to her demeanor and position. Nobody thought she would embarrass herself by crying out of sympathy, or even forced sympathy. The only crying in reference to Palin was in regards to her being stumped worse than she was with Couric (which is fair, since we didn't realize the debate was going to be such a featherweight until afterwards). Biden's crying was in yet another context. He was responding to a charge from Palin that she understood a certain amount of hardship better. Biden, to his credit, after twenty-thirty odd years, including gaffes, doesn't have the reputation for faking emotion, so his reaction isn't the same as Hillary's. Nor is it the same as Palin's due to his lack of interview-disability. You really can't line up these crying moments and call sexism. They're too different.
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post #780 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky View Post
Palin paints herself as a righteous, Pro-Life, Jesus-obsessed puritan. The joke subverts this characterization by having her mime something overtly sexual. It's a little like hearing Betty White talk about cocks, but in Palin's case, she's not in on the joke.
Would the joke work if she were male? Where is the animation of Rick Santorum saying "my dick is so hard"?
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post #781 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:16pm
Yep! That would work. In fact, I recall reading an AV Club article where Dan Savage suggested nicknaming a certain type of smegma "Santorum" as a way to recast Rick's outward distaste for homosexuals against him.
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post #782 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:19pm
haha, there's some serious retarderation on display in this thread. I feel like myk HAS to be trolling here.
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post #783 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Diva, what 's your justification for the "My pussy's so hot" gif? Did that joke write itself as well?

Have you honestly never been on the internet before? There are dozens of these "replace the actual words spoken with sexually suggestive phrase" things floating around, and they certainly aren't limited to Palin.
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post #784 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky
Yep! That would work.
And be hilarious.
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post #785 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:20pm
And yet, hasn't been done. Because Rick Santorum, in addition to being an odious, Bible thumping puritan, is not considered by any one except for Mrs. Santorum to be an attractive man.

I will say this... the gif would be funny if it was Phyllis Schlaffly instead of Sarah Palin.
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post #786 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:20pm
::sitting in the corner, somewhere near Devin, laughing uncontrollably::
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post #787 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:21pm
The likelihood of that joke being made against a female politician rather than a male one is very high.

I mean, when was the last time you saw an article from a site like salon.com about a male politician???

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post #788 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
haha, there's some serious retarderation on display in this thread. I feel like myk HAS to be trolling here.
From you, Devin, I take this as a compliment.
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post #789 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
The likelihood of that joke being made against a female politician rather than a male one is very high.

I mean, when was the last time you saw an article from a site like salon.com about a male politician???
Are you seriously this dense? Are you incapable of understanding CONTEXT? Palin was a beauty queen. A TV sportscaster. Part of the whole fucking reason they chose her is that she's hot. She's the sexy flip side to the Walking Dead nom. THAT WAS ON PURPOSE.

Jesus fucking Christ.
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post #790 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Are you seriously this dense? Are you incapable of understanding CONTEXT? Palin was a beauty queen. A TV sportscaster. Part of the whole fucking reason they chose her is that she's hot. She's the sexy flip side to the Walking Dead nom. THAT WAS ON PURPOSE.

Jesus fucking Christ.
Yep. There's context that's important, but nobody wants to look at it. The insults come from that context, not from gender. It's just easier to say "they didn't make these insults towards him, but they do towards her, thus it must be sexist."
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post #791 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:27pm
Jesus Christ Monkey Balls, I can't believe we're still on this subject seriously


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post #792 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:28pm
Can you imagine getting a beer with myk and Cap. I bet you smash the pint glass and tear your own throat out before the first hour is up.
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post #793 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:28pm
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/b...hblairlove.htm
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post #794 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:29pm
Palin gifs are this week's cunt.



*Palin as President is awesome.
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post #795 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
Homophobe.
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post #796 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
That's homophobic! You're going to give myk a righteousness seizure.
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post #797 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:31pm
The only two root causes of 'misunderstanding' humor like the Palin gif:

1) You're somehow invested in Palin's casting as a puritan.
2) You don't understand the joke.
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post #798 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Whirlybird View Post
Jesus Christ Monkey Balls, I can't believe we're still on this subject seriously
Now, now... pointing out sexist statements, etc. doesn't necessarily make a person humorless. There are serious, interesting, and, yes, even funny ways ways to talk about how gender (and, for that matter, race) are functioning in this election (please see the recent work of Samantha Bee, Tina Fey, and Amy Poehler). It's just that, uh, isn't happening in here. Really, really isn't happening in here.
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post #799 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:33pm
And again ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTzs9...eature=related

I guess that's both sexist and homophobic?
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post #800 of 1157
10/15/08 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Whirlybird View Post
As luck would have it, I have a professional sense of humor. This is far too easy and far too irrelevant a joke to make, especially when she offers such ripe and relevant low hanging fruit to joke about.

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Can you imagine getting a beer with myk and Cap. I bet you smash the pint glass and tear your own throat out before the first hour is up.
I can attest to drinking with many people and very few have torn out their own throats. No comment on the pint smashing.
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