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post #101 of 142
10/15/08 at 1:24pm
I voted Conservative yesterday
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post #102 of 142
10/15/08 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
I'll be voting Liberal. I'll never vote Conservative and it amazes me that with all the shit that has come out in the past few weeks about the Conservative party and Harper's cabinet Ministers they still have a poll lead.

I really think a lot of people are voting Conservative just because they lowered the GST by 2%. I honestly believe that's the reason.
Not really... I just refuse to vote for either the Pinko-Commie party (NDP) or Hippie (Liberal) party. Ya that's right, the parties that want to give free handouts to bums and hippie artists.... oh yeah and pull out of Afghanistan... that'll be a good move.
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post #103 of 142
10/15/08 at 1:35pm
Yeah, you're not really making a good case for the Conservative Party there. It's the same thing as McCain supporters calling Obama an "Arab Terrorist".
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post #104 of 142
10/15/08 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by ED209 View Post
But you can't argue that it's not true.
Considering the Conservatives gained in Ontario and BC your anger is clearly misplaced. It wasn't just the western provinces that gave more power to the Conservatives.

Besides you can take a look at Quebec and the Bloc for taking lefty votes away from the NDP or the Liberals. The Bloc have no hope of being the ruling party (literally, they do not run enough candidates to get a mandate) so any seat they take interferes with a national lefty or moderate party actually winning.
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post #105 of 142
10/15/08 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by Pauly Shore's devil spawn View Post
Not really... I just refuse to vote for either the Pinko-Commie party (NDP) or Hippie (Liberal) party. Ya that's right, the parties that want to give free handouts to bums and hippie artists.... oh yeah and pull out of Afghanistan... that'll be a good move.
Clearly you have a firm grasp on the subtleties and complexities of Canadian politics as taught to you by the Globe and Mail and The National Post. Congrats! Now go turn on Fox News and enjoy their view of the US race.
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post #106 of 142
10/15/08 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Clearly you have a firm grasp on the subtleties and complexities of Canadian politics as taught to you by the Globe and Mail and The National Post. Congrats! Now go turn on Fox News and enjoy their view of the US race.
Nice assumption there :P

Clearly I'm embellishing a bit... although I suppose you can never tell on an Internet forum. However, I do believe that the Conservative party, although not without flaws in its platform and the characters of some of its members, is best suited to direct our country in a positive direction.

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post #107 of 142
10/15/08 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by Troy n View Post
Wow...quite the douchey statement.
He's right, though.
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post #108 of 142
10/15/08 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by Pauly Shore's devil spawn View Post
Not really... I just refuse to vote for either the Pinko-Commie party (NDP) or Hippie (Liberal) party. Ya that's right, the parties that want to give free handouts to bums and hippie artists.... oh yeah and pull out of Afghanistan... that'll be a good move.
Why should we fight on behalf of a country that kidnaps and tortures our citizens?
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post #109 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
That was one retarded post you just did. Like, full-retard.
It isn't his/her first. I'm having a feeling it won't be the last either.
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post #110 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by HBarr View Post
It isn't his/her first. I'm having a feeling it won't be the last either.
You are correct in that statement.

Please continue.
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post #111 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by Pauly Shore's devil spawn View Post
Not really... I just refuse to vote for either the Pinko-Commie party (NDP) or Hippie (Liberal) party. Ya that's right, the parties that want to give free handouts to bums and hippie artists.... oh yeah and pull out of Afghanistan... that'll be a good move.
So why did you vote for a party that decided to hand out $100 to every Canadian family rather than build adequate infrastructure, seeing as you're so against hand outs?
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post #112 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by Pauly Shore's devil spawn View Post
oh yeah and pull out of Afghanistan... that'll be a good move.
Aren't they supposed to pull out in 2011 anyway?
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post #113 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
That was one retarded post you just did. Like, full-retard.
I guess he was saying the US elections are "more" important for the rest of the world, an argument few would deny, but of course he made it in the rudest possible way.

BTW, I starting to find Canadian politics a lot more interesting than I imagined. How major parties do you guys have? I noticed a lot of independents being mentioned last night.
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post #114 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:17pm
I was kind of joking, but whatever, I don't want to derail the thread. It was a stupid comment, I apologize.
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post #115 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
Why should we fight on behalf of a country that kidnaps and tortures our citizens?
Quite an assumption to paint an entire nation, or even a slim majority as those responsible for kidnapping and torturing our citizens. Have you actually spoken with any Afghanistan veterans about their first-hand experiences over there? The majority of the country is completely destitute and just as much a victim of said kidnappers and torturers... actually scratch that, they're MORE of a victim.

I thought we as a nation of "HAVE'S" were supposed to help the "have-not's" of poor, uneducated, downtrodden countries who are abused, used and victimized on a regular basis?
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post #116 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
How major parties do you guys have? I noticed a lot of independents being mentioned last night.
In terms of "Major Parties", it's just the Conservative Party, The Liberal Party, & The New Democratic Party. To a lesser extent you can throw in the Bloc Quebecois and the Green Party. Pretty much everyone who was involved in the televised debates.
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post #117 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by Pauly Shore's devil spawn View Post
Quite an assumption to paint an entire nation, or even a slim majority as those responsible for kidnapping and torturing our citizens. Have you actually spoken with any Afghanistan veterans about their first-hand experiences over there? The majority of the country is completely destitute and just as much a victim of said kidnappers and torturers... actually scratch that, they're MORE of a victim.

I thought we as a nation of "HAVE'S" were supposed to help the "have-not's" of poor, uneducated, downtrodden countries who are abused, used and victimized on a regular basis?
Genius. What's your plan for dealing with Sudan? Or North Korea? Because those are clearly high on Harper's agenda, right?

This mentality is fucking up the United States, and they have tons of money (sort of) and an immense military machine. Actually, I can't believe any Canadian can write this kind of crap with the US willfully playing the role of "cautionary example" right now.
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post #118 of 142
10/15/08 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
Genius. What's your plan for dealing with Sudan? Or North Korea? Because those are clearly high on Harper's agenda, right?

This mentality is fucking up the United States, and they have tons of money (sort of) and an immense military machine. Actually, I can't believe any Canadian can write this kind of crap with the US willfully playing the role of "cautionary example" right now.
What would you propose professor?
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post #119 of 142
10/15/08 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by Pauly Shore's devil spawn View Post
Quite an assumption to paint an entire nation, or even a slim majority as those responsible for kidnapping and torturing our citizens.
I don't know what you're talking about.

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Have you actually spoken with any Afghanistan veterans about their first-hand experiences over there?
Yes, often. One of the famous ones, too. I don't care. I know Afghanistan's a dump, there's still no reason we should fight on behalf of a country that tortures and kidnaps our citizens. Were you under the impression that learning the mission had the approval of soldiers (I already knew that) would suddenly change my mind about fighting on behalf of the United States? Why?

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The majority of the country is completely destitute and just as much a victim of said kidnappers and torturers... actually scratch that, they're MORE of a victim.
Tragic. Why should we should we stomp through that country on behalf of the United States?

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I thought we as a nation of "HAVE'S" were supposed to help the "have-not's" of poor, uneducated, downtrodden countries who are abused, used and victimized on a regular basis?
Save it. We're in Afghanistan because one of our allies was attacked by forces residing there and we're obliged to help out as part of our NATO membership - this is not a humanitarian mission. Now that that ally has since shown itself to have nothing but contempt for our sovereignty and our citizenry, I see no reason to help them out.
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post #120 of 142
10/15/08 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Considering the Conservatives gained in Ontario and BC your anger is clearly misplaced. It wasn't just the western provinces that gave more power to the Conservatives.

Besides you can take a look at Quebec and the Bloc for taking lefty votes away from the NDP or the Liberals. The Bloc have no hope of being the ruling party (literally, they do not run enough candidates to get a mandate) so any seat they take interferes with a national lefty or moderate party actually winning.
As I said before, the Bloc is a pure Liberal creation, built on Liberal funds to drain the Conservative vote that was the choice of most Parti Quebecois voters (the provincial party). As soon as the Bloc went in, the Liberal took power. I never voted BQ, as it's not a party with Canadian aspirations, but the thing is, there is 3 parties on the left and one on the right. The math is simple. I'd love to see the NDP have power, but there's too many people on the left and no one on the right. Or create a Bloc Alberta or something like that. What's pains me is hearing people praising the lower GSP, and moaning about poor infrastructure and so on. USE THAT FUCKING 1%.

And let's make something really clear, it's not the Conservative party, it's the Reform. Let's not mistake those morons with the oldest Canadian political party with a slate of accomplishments.
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post #121 of 142
10/15/08 at 4:49pm
Thread Starter 

59%! Whoo-hoo!

I'm pissed that the Conservatives gained seats, but I'm more disappointed that this election had the lowest voter turnout ever.
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post #122 of 142
10/15/08 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
I guess he was saying the US elections are "more" important for the rest of the world, an argument few would deny, but of course he made it in the rudest possible way.

BTW, I starting to find Canadian politics a lot more interesting than I imagined. How major parties do you guys have? I noticed a lot of independents being mentioned last night.
Google.com

You seem pretty good at finding information yourself.
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post #123 of 142
10/15/08 at 7:01pm
Thanks for nothing, the question was already answered by Mr. Freeze though.
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post #124 of 142
10/15/08 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
I'd love to see the NDP have power, but there's too many people on the left and no one on the right. Or create a Bloc Alberta or something like that.
I wish that would work. We do have a separatist party in AB but they're so right they make the Montana Freemen look like the NDP.

On the other hand the Green candidate came in second in this riding, one of the most conservative in the country.
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post #125 of 142
10/15/08 at 11:56pm
The Greens and the NDP both beat out the Liberals in my riding, but the Conservatives won with more than half the votes.

The Liberals beat only the Marxist-Leninists and the Libertarians. Weird.
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post #126 of 142
10/16/08 at 12:20am
I can't really say anything about the election but it's pretty clear the liberals are probably going to want a new leader.
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post #127 of 142
10/16/08 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Considering the Conservatives gained in Ontario and BC your anger is clearly misplaced. It wasn't just the western provinces that gave more power to the Conservatives.

Besides you can take a look at Quebec and the Bloc for taking lefty votes away from the NDP or the Liberals. The Bloc have no hope of being the ruling party (literally, they do not run enough candidates to get a mandate) so any seat they take interferes with a national lefty or moderate party actually winning.
Well, in addition to the West, they did pick up the hick vote as I like to call it. A lot of the rural areas in Ontario, Quebec and BC voted Conservative it seemed.
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post #128 of 142
10/16/08 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by ED209 View Post
Well, in addition to the West, they did pick up the hick vote as I like to call it. A lot of the rural areas in Ontario, Quebec and BC voted Conservative it seemed.
10 seats in Quebec. On 75.

All in the same (retarded and inbreed) region.
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post #129 of 142
10/16/08 at 11:01pm
You guys have to admit. Dion seemed to be one gigantic dud of a candidate.
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post #130 of 142
10/16/08 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
You guys have to admit. Dion seemed to be one gigantic dud of a candidate.
It's really bad since they had someone with charisma and good leadership skills in Ignatieff waiting right there. Idiot Liberals.
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post #131 of 142
10/16/08 at 11:31pm
Did his loss and that of his party have anything to do at all with that interview he gave? Or was that a complete non-factor?
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post #132 of 142
10/16/08 at 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by ED209 View Post
Well, in addition to the West, they did pick up the hick vote as I like to call it. A lot of the rural areas in Ontario, Quebec and BC voted Conservative it seemed.
So, the fault would lie with a certain demographic and not a certain region. Please don't lump all of us in the west together.
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post #133 of 142
10/16/08 at 11:37pm
the Tories did lose Fortress Alberta...to the NDP of all people.
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post #134 of 142
10/17/08 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
So, the fault would lie with a certain demographic and not a certain region. Please don't lump all of us in the west together.
Screw the West! I live in the Centre of the Universe, remember?
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post #135 of 142
10/17/08 at 1:01am
He's got your there. Toronto has Scott Pilgrim and to a lesser extent Knives Chau.
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post #136 of 142
10/17/08 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Did his loss and that of his party have anything to do at all with that interview he gave? Or was that a complete non-factor?
Nah, he was dead from day 1. He's a vacuum of charisma. The thing is: he's an intellectual who's qualified to do the job, but nobody wants to hear him. I mean, we all laugh when he got nominated. Him being there is the result of poor politics among the party. I expect Ignatieff to come out of there on top.

Gilles Duceppe (BQ) has the chops, but represent a separatist party.

Harper (Cons.) can do the job, but he's Bush-light and not that smart.

Layton (NDP) has a shitload of charisma, the skills, but is too far left I suppose.
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post #137 of 142
10/17/08 at 10:05am
Props to Toronto, which earned even more of the cold shoulder from Harper.

Dion's a good man, but not a good enough politician. Looks like it's down to Rae and Ignatieff...Problem is, unions hate Rae, who's the more left of the two. Still, I'd give good odds at either to take Harper.
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post #138 of 142
10/17/08 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Did his loss and that of his party have anything to do at all with that interview he gave? Or was that a complete non-factor?
I'm think either it was a complete non-factor or it played an extremely small, small role. Dion already had a pretty solid reputation as an ineffectual leader ... whether it's true or not doesn't really matter because that's the label he can't seem to shake.
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post #139 of 142
10/19/08 at 3:53pm
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Dion's a good man, but not a good enough politician. Looks like it's down to Rae and Ignatieff...Problem is, unions hate Rae, who's the more left of the two. Still, I'd give good odds at either to take Harper.
You really think its down to Ignatieff and Rae? I think Gerard Kennedy would be a great leader for the party. He was born in Alberta too, that might help in the west.
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post #140 of 142
10/19/08 at 11:13pm
It might, but I have my doubts. He won his riding, thankfully. I was sort of hoping he'd drop back into provincial politics.
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post #141 of 142
10/29/08 at 12:47pm
Frank magazine folded. Bummer. Great read.
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post #142 of 142
10/29/08 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by Subotai View Post
Frank magazine folded. Bummer. Great read.
What? Again?

I guess I was reading it about 2 or 3 publishers ago ...
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