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Domestic terrorism against American Muslims: Chemical sprayed in Ohio Mosque nursery

post #1 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:09am
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Muslim Children Gassed at Dayton Mosque After "Obsession" DVD Hits Ohio
by Chris Rodda

On Friday, September 26, the end of a week in which thousands of copies of Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West -- the fear-mongering, anti-Muslim documentary being distributed by the millions in swing states via DVDs inserted in major newspapers and through the U.S. mail -- were distributed by mail in Ohio, a "chemical irritant" was sprayed through a window of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton, where 300 people were gathered for a Ramadan prayer service. The room that the chemical was sprayed into was the room where babies and children were being kept while their mothers were engaged in prayers. This, apparently, is what the scare tactic political campaigning of John McCain's supporters has led to -- Americans perpetrating a terrorist attack against innocent children on American soil.
The whole story is here.
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post #2 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:12am
Stay classy, Ohio!
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post #3 of 18
9/29/08 at 9:57am
It's just a few bad apples.

Isn't this the standard excuse?
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post #4 of 18
9/29/08 at 10:05am
I resent the implication that all Ohioans are ignorant morons. There are at least 2 dozen of us that aren't.
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post #5 of 18
9/29/08 at 1:51pm
Loathsome and sad, to be sure, but hardly a terrorist attack. Blowing the place up would've been a terrorist attack. This is more like assault to my mind. That doesn't excuse this display of bigotry, though.
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post #6 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:11pm
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Maybe, but to me it's the same, just to a lesser degree than had there been casualties. The attackers didn't know the people inside. They weren't targeting anyone specific. It was an attack based on an ideology of hate.
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post #7 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:12pm
Some days I want to kick Ohio in the balls.
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post #8 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
It's just a few bad apples.

Isn't this the standard excuse?
No, you're right. Republicans want to poison babies.
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post #9 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Maybe, but to me it's the same, just to a lesser degree than had there been casualties. The attackers didn't know the people inside. They weren't targeting anyone specific. It was an attack based on an ideology of hate.
Moreover, you could argue the attack's purpose was to create a sense of unease and fear within a specific community. Which, as it turns out, happens to be terrorism.
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post #10 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by JonStrickland View Post
Moreover, you could argue the attack's purpose was to create a sense of unease and fear within a specific community. Which, as it turns out, happens to be terrorism.
Bingo.
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post #11 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by TheCynic View Post
No, you're right. Republicans want to poison babies.
No, but Republicans do want to stoke fear and hate, because they have been the most effective emotions for them in terms of winning elections. This conservative group that distributed the DVD backs McCain. Stoking fear and hate will benefit McCain in an election.
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post #12 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:39pm
I want to know why these papers carried this piece of hateful propaganda. The Toledo Blade had it inserted as well, and it's causing a stir with the ignorant.

The Blade has become a right wing rag and it didn't used to be that way. Visit their web site and look at their poll results and you'll see a trend of fucking right wing idiocy.

This world would be so much better off without religion.
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post #13 of 18
9/29/08 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
I want to know why these papers carried this piece of hateful propaganda. The Toledo Blade had it inserted as well, and it's causing a stir with the ignorant.

The Blade has become a right wing rag and it didn't used to be that way. Visit their web site and look at their poll results and you'll see a trend of fucking right wing idiocy.

This world would be so much better off without religion.
Without religion, we wouldn't have this kickass season of Supernatural.. so I think things balance out.
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post #14 of 18
9/29/08 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by JonStrickland View Post
Moreover, you could argue the attack's purpose was to create a sense of unease and fear within a specific community. Which, as it turns out, happens to be terrorism.
Was Tim McVeigh a terrorist? Or just a mass murderer? Since planting bombs targeted at soldiers is also called terrorism even though the point of doing so is to kill soldiers, I think people are pretty quick to label any crime that leaves people upset 'terrorism'. Lots of people label Omar Khadr a terrorist for allegedly trying to kill the man who was trying to kill him. Doing so might be illegal, as surprising as that is coming from a culture centered on the right of self-defense, but it isn't terrorism.

And since the label seems to mean the difference between having one's human rights ignored or having them respected, I think it's important. Although seeing the red-blooded Americans responsible for this sent to Cuba to be held indefinitely without charge isn't something I'd lose sleep over.
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post #15 of 18
9/29/08 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
Was Tim McVeigh a terrorist? Or just a mass murderer? Since planting bombs targeted at soldiers is also called terrorism even though the point of doing so is to kill soldiers, I think people are pretty quick to label any crime that leaves people upset 'terrorism'. Lots of people label Omar Khadr a terrorist for allegedly trying to kill the man who was trying to kill him. Doing so might be illegal, as surprising as that is coming from a culture centered on the right of self-defense, but it isn't terrorism.

And since the label seems to mean the difference between having one's human rights ignored or having them respected, I think it's important. Although seeing the red-blooded Americans responsible for this sent to Cuba to be held indefinitely without charge isn't something I'd lose sleep over.
You won't get any argument from me that people have used the label terrorist in order to get carte blanche. I was simply saying that if the purpose of the attack was to promote fear and unease, then it was terrorism by definition. I mean, that literally IS the definition of terrorism -- using violence to create a sense of fear among a specific group of people.

If the purpose of the attack was NOT to cause fear, then the perpetrators are just would-be baby killers.
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post #16 of 18
9/29/08 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by JonStrickland View Post
You won't get any argument from me that people have used the label terrorist in order to get carte blanche. I was simply saying that if the purpose of the attack was to promote fear and unease, then it was terrorism by definition. I mean, that literally IS the definition of terrorism -- using violence to create a sense of fear among a specific group of people.

If the purpose of the attack was NOT to cause fear, then the perpetrators are just would-be baby killers.
What JonStrickland said. Terrorism is defined by the motive underlying the crime, not the specific illegal acts.
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post #17 of 18
9/29/08 at 4:31pm
If this had been perpetrated by members of a radical Islamic group during some Sunday school session, would the far-right call it a terrorist attack? No question. Would it be covered on Fox news? Probably as we speak.
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post #18 of 18
9/29/08 at 4:54pm
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If this had been perpetrated by members of a radical Islamic group during some Sunday school session, would the far-right call it a terrorist attack? No question.
Probably because it would be a terrorist act. Just like this one probably was (unless it was just some whacko who had no motive other than to kill/hurt children).
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