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post #851 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:09am
"A wet David Axelrod..." ? Sounds sassy.
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post #852 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post
No chance.

McCain's demeanor was positively Nixonian. He came off stiff and angry. His attempts at jokes were unfunny and inappropriate given the state of things. His attacks missed and again seem petty and ill-timed. The "my friends" and "that one" were toxic.

On issues, McCain can't win on the economy. He's now dead on health care. Obama did well on foreign policy.
McCain comes off stiff because of war wounds. He'll always come off stiff and he's pounded the POW thing in enough that people will give him a pass on that.

On the issues, read what I said. Obama didn't give answers. It'll sit sour with people. The economy is the only thing people are talking about. I mean the only thing. This is a slow simmer type thing and when people start talking the next few days about the debates and they mix the two with the economy it'll play out and it will sink in.

As writers and editors start looking at thier portfolio they'll slip in a little distain and start pressing more for answers. It's already started, people were looking for answers out of this debate and they didn't get any from Obama and they at least got some from McCain. I think the negative jabs may work against him and if he just focused on the issues he would have came out a lot better off but how could he know Obama would skirt everything?
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post #853 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:10am
Olbermann--McCain didn't look well, shuffling around the stage.
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post #854 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:10am
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Olbermann criticizing McCain for standing in front Brokaws script/screen ... WTF?
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post #855 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
What "points" did he win on exactly?
He felt that since McCain did better on the economy and that was an hour of the debate, then McCain won 2/3 of the debate and therefore won.
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post #856 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:11am
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Olbermann is a gasbag.
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post #857 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
That's it. I'm going as "My Friends..." for Halloween.
Did I mention that I'm probably going as Palin?

Except I'll have a nice tan. No Alaskan pallor for me!
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post #858 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:12am
Lousy format, nothing but stump speeches, when that's said, Obama won THAT ONE!
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post #859 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:13am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
He felt that since McCain did better on the economy and that was an hour of the debate, then McCain won 2/3 of the debate and therefore won.
De Nile is a river in Egypt.
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post #860 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:13am
Fox: Obama has developed an "almost Clintonian" style of relating problems to and connecting with people
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post #861 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:13am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Olbermann is a gasbag.
I'm a liberal, and I agree.
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post #862 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:13am
CBS

Win?

39 Obama
37 Draw
20 something McCain
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post #863 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:14am
Thread Starter 
Incredibly the analysis on Fox seems more even handed than I expected ...
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post #864 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:14am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Fox: Obama has developed an "almost Clintonian" style of relating problems to and connecting with people
Please don't make me turn to Fox.
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post #865 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:14am
If I wasn't already commited to being the Bride of Chucky (long story) than I would totally go as a "Maverick"


The costume would consist of my normal clothing and when somebody ask me what I'm supposed to be I'll just say....a maverick.
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post #866 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:15am
Thread Starter 
And that was from a lady from Fortune magazine, good observation.

Oh no, now they're goint to Hannity and Colmes, so much for that ...
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post #867 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:16am
Hannity: What we've seen before, Obama wants to raise taxes, McCain wants to cut them.
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post #868 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:16am
Obama: double-digit leads on economic topics tonight. (more than 20 points).
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post #869 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:16am
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CNN: And if those numbers hold, the election is over.
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post #870 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:17am
Wait....No....For Hallowenn, I'm going as T Boone Pickens!

This guy's reaching Mr Whipple ubiquity.
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post #871 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:17am
I don't think there's a human being I actively despise more than Sean Hannity.
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post #872 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:17am
The CNN poll results have Obama over McCain in handling the economy by 20 points.

Very bad news for McCain.
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post #873 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:17am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Obama talked about cutting programs and addressing entitlements. Not in detail mind you. Netiher would McCain. And please don't repeat the fantasy that eliminating $18 billion in earmarks will make it all better.

And that AIG anecdote is all over the blogosphere and will make it into the mainstream soon (if it's not there already). The image of fatcats living it up while destroying more wealth at one time in history will NOT go down well with the prols. Just ask that CEO who got cold cocked in the gym the other day
No one believes that 18 billion number after a 700 billion bailout got 140 billion in earmarks. Obama came off like a joke on that one. let's put that aside though for a minute, McCain (unlike last debate) pressed OTHER cost saving measures and that's what's going to simmer in.

The AIG anecdote is not going to work outside of the feverous partisan people. It's red meat for the base. What they're fighting for now is the undecideds and they don't give a shit about 400K in partying and manicures and pedicures etc... (I watched the AIG hearing).

Give it a couple of days.. people are losing their 401k's and their savings accounts and they're jobs are in jeopardy and they only care about the economy and they'll wise up that you can't spend spend spend in today's economic conditions. Obama's going to be doing good on the economy today and tomorrow and maybe even the day after but it'll slowly churn and boil and it'll be like cooking a rabbit.
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post #874 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:17am
Every network is calling it a draw or a win on points. Andrew Sullivan is calling it a beatdown of the old white guy.

I really wish the followups had started earlier. Too much dodging or massaging of the questions by the candidates to give answers they want, which wasn't what the public was looking for. Obama scores a victory by throwing "bomb bomb Iran" at McCain, but gives a confusing answer on Russia. McCain got absolutely PWNED on health care -- preemptively, at that -- and then made things worse for him by calling health care a responsibility. And his jokes sucked.

It wasn't as bad as I feared it might be, although it was mostly a retread of talking points we've already heard before. Obama looked calm and (as lame as it sounds) more presidential, while McCain puttered around a lot. And he sure got out of there in a hurry, leaving Obama to sign autographs and take photos all by himself.
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post #875 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
If I wasn't already commited to being the Bride of Chucky (long story) than I would totally go as a "Maverick"


The costume would consist of my normal clothing and when somebody ask me what I'm supposed to be I'll just say....a maverick.
Chucky and His Bride were both mavericks.

Just like McCain and Palin! The costume would probably work both ways.
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post #876 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Obama talked about cutting programs and addressing entitlements. Not in detail mind you. Netiher would McCain. And please don't repeat the fantasy that eliminating $18 billion in earmarks will make it all better.

And that AIG anecdote is all over the blogosphere and will make it into the mainstream soon (if it's not there already). The image of fatcats living it up while destroying more wealth at one time in history will NOT go down well with the prols. Just ask that CEO who got cold cocked in the gym the other day

Fuck it, Snaieke's mind completely wiped out Obama's actual plan. Here I was thinking that he was starting to be reasonable, but I heard more meat and bones plans from Obama than I did McCain. He talked about cutting spending, he talked about how we need the government to provide a system of checks and balances so that wealth isn't in the hands of a few while our infrastructure depends on it.

But to Brian, he was just spittin' in the wind.


Horrbile debate. i don't know why they consider this "McCain's" best format because he comes off as a creepy uncle who laughs at his own lame jokes.

And "that one" is just another code word for NIGGER to make the racists feel uncomfortable.
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post #877 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:18am
Olberman is an ass sometimes. McCain looked a little decrepit but hardly ill.
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post #878 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:18am
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McCaskill's edge

I mentioned a few days ago that Claire McCaskill's mild affect masks a bit of a killer, and perhaps the Obama campaign's deftest surrogate on the attack.


But I was still kind of amused by her brief interaction with Mitt Romney in the press file just now.


McCaskill was stepping out of her chair at the end of an MSNBC interview, and Romney was up next. She and a staffer unplugged her various wires, and she handed Romney the earpiece the guests use to hear the host.
"I spit on this before I put it in," she said to Romney, with a sweet smile.
Oh and Hannity is a gasbag too.
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post #879 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:19am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I don't think there's a human being I actively despise more than Sean Hannity.

Sarah Palin?
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post #880 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:20am
If I could talk my wife and my 8 year old into it I could envision a shopping car with one wheel dressed up as a bus with McCain and Palin riding in it...with me as Satan!
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post #881 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:20am
No, Palin I feel is just someone thrust way over their head.
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post #882 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Hannity: What we've seen before, Obama wants to raise taxes, McCain wants to cut them.
That's not what I heard unless we talk about Fortune 500s and in that case, is that not a point to Obama?
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post #883 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by JuddL View Post
Olberman is an ass sometimes. McCain looked a little decrepit but hardly ill.
Well, what pissed me off was his comment about how McCain was so lost he was blocking the teleprompter/script from Brokaw. You have to have a lot of nerve to claim something like that when the debate is about the candidates, instead of the inability of his fellow anchor to read or memorize his damned script!
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post #884 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:21am
Colmes just pointed out that in 2000 McCain said we had troops in Kosovo killing civilians.
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post #885 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
No one believes that 18 billion number after a 700 billion bailout got 140 billion in earmarks. Obama came off like a joke on that one. let's put that aside though for a minute, McCain (unlike last debate) pressed OTHER cost saving measures and that's what's going to simmer in.

The AIG anecdote is not going to work outside of the feverous partisan people. It's red meat for the base. What they're fighting for now is the undecideds and they don't give a shit about 400K in partying and manicures and pedicures etc... (I watched the AIG hearing).

Give it a couple of days.. people are losing their 401k's and their savings accounts and they're jobs are in jeopardy and they only care about the economy and they'll wise up that you can't spend spend spend in today's economic conditions. Obama's going to be doing good on the economy today and tomorrow and maybe even the day after but it'll slowly churn and boil and it'll be like cooking a rabbit.
Why are you completely ignoring my comment that Obama, unlike McCain, will end the Iraq war sooner rather than later and end the Bush tax cuts. That's a huge, huge decrease in spending.
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post #886 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:21am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyRb3GtUoVs

Brilliant! An unintentional, rare display of bipartisanship payback aimed at Brokaw!
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post #887 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:21am
I want to dress up for Halloween as Claire McCaskill. She is raw dog.
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post #888 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:21am
Thread Starter 
When is Obama ending the war in Iraq btw?
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post #889 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:22am
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Originally Posted by Blothar Wiken View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyRb3GtUoVs

Brilliant! An unintentional, rare display of bipartisanship payback aimed at Brokaw!
I love the "evaluation period expired" crawl at the bottom of that video.
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post #890 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:23am
Hannity: The New York Times concluding Obama had no substantial relationship with Ayers was them "running cover for him" and that he calls them "The New Obama Times".
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post #891 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
When is Obama ending the war in Iraq btw?
I have no idea. With that said, I trust him to make a stronger effort than McCain.
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post #892 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:23am
Gergen on CNN was just saying there's a study that says Obama's race could cause him 6 points at the voting booth?
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post #893 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:24am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
When is Obama ending the war in Iraq btw?
April 13th, 2009.



No. He's called for a time table but nothing that specific. He wants it done safely while McCain just doesn't want it done.
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post #894 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:24am
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Originally Posted by JuddL View Post
I have no idea. With that said, I trust him to make a stronger effort than McCain.
Is it me or does he seem to be backtracking on this issue since the primaries?
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post #895 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:24am
Speaking of ending wars, can someone please tell me how and when McCain "won" a war?
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post #896 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Hannity: The New York Times concluding Obama had no substantial relationship with Ayers was them "running cover for him" and that he calls them "The New Obama Times".
That doesn't have the same ring to it as "The Jew York Times"
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post #897 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
Gergen on CNN was just saying there's a study that says Obama's race could cause him 6 points at the voting booth?
There's an opinion that people will tell pollsters they'll vote for a black man to avoid seeming racist, but once they're alone in a voting booth with their own prejudices, they won't be able to do it.
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post #898 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
No one believes that 18 billion number after a 700 billion bailout got 140 billion in earmarks. Obama came off like a joke on that one. let's put that aside though for a minute, McCain (unlike last debate) pressed OTHER cost saving measures and that's what's going to simmer in.

The AIG anecdote is not going to work outside of the feverous partisan people. It's red meat for the base. What they're fighting for now is the undecideds and they don't give a shit about 400K in partying and manicures and pedicures etc... (I watched the AIG hearing).

Give it a couple of days.. people are losing their 401k's and their savings accounts and they're jobs are in jeopardy and they only care about the economy and they'll wise up that you can't spend spend spend in today's economic conditions. Obama's going to be doing good on the economy today and tomorrow and maybe even the day after but it'll slowly churn and boil and it'll be like cooking a rabbit.
Read your own post. "people are losing their 401k's and their savings accounts and they're jobs are in jeopardy and they only care about the economy and they'll wise up that you can't spend spend spend in today's economic conditions". That AIG "Anecdote" is like going up to one of those people losing theri 401Ks kicking them in the balls and yelling "I've got mine! Fuck you!"

I agree the Deomcrats have used Class Warefare whining in the past and failed. But when something this egregious happens there is blood in the water.


Oh and FDR DID spend us out of the Great Depression: we can argue about whether it was spending on domestic programs or the militray, but it worked.

Which is not to say it would work this time. What Obama is proposing is to shore up the underlying pillars of American Society (Education, Healthcare) so that in the long run we will be a better nation. McCain is focused on short term for every single policy.

That my friends is a recipe for disaster
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post #899 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:26am
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What are you trying to say Carville?
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post #900 of 1106
10/8/08 at 12:27am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
McCain comes off stiff because of war wounds.
There's the Snaieke I know and love. You came oh so close to being a reasonable human recently, but yeah, McCain's fucking war wounds made him stiff. Like John Kerry.
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