CHUD.com Community › Forums › POLITICS & RELIGION › Political Discourse › Advise the McCain Campaign
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Advise the McCain Campaign

post #1 of 80
Thread Starter 
With Obama enjoying a steady and substantial lead in all the polls for over 2 weeks, it looks like the McCain campaign is in serious trouble. So I figure why not play a little political fan fiction and hypothesize what you would advise McCain to do to win the election.

My advice....

Fire your campaign team. All of them.

This is a risky move but hell, what does he have to lose? Basically it has to be a mea culpa in terms of something like, "I promised to run a clean campaign and I failed you. As of today, I'm firing my campaign staff who advised me to run a campaign not worthy of the office I seek." Something like that.

Run positive issue oriented ads from now til election day

McCain needs to forget Obama even exists for the next month. He needs to make the case for him to get elected in overwhelmingly positive terms.

Show respect to Obama

The whole disrespect thing isn't working for McCain. The best thing he can do is what Obama has been doing with McCain. Remind people he's an honorable man. It might be BS but people don't like it when candidates for president seem like they hate each other's guts.

Keep Palin on the ticket but make her attack Obama on the issues


This snarky attitude of her's has to go. It's wearing thin and she's not reaching out to undecideds at all with that act. A more mature demeaner is needed from her.


You know, after writing all this, I realized that I could have just said "See how Obama is running his campaign? Go and do likewise."

Anyway, thought it would be a good thread to throw some ideas and flex our strategic muscles.
post #2 of 80
Give up! (sorry)
post #3 of 80
Quit.
post #4 of 80
Use the word "Maverick" more.
post #5 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomstick View Post
Use the word "Maverick" more.
Say "My Friends" before and after EVERYTHING.
post #6 of 80
What they're doing, will it work? I'm surprised that the Ayers accusation is able to sustain itself in the media cycle at all. It's transparently empty, and desperate, but it's their talking point.

Swift boating was successful, I think the general wisdom is, because Kerry's lack of forceful response. Obama labels Ayers a distraction, and changes the subject back to the economy, and that seems to negate the tactic.

They need to need look themselves in the mirror. And say, if the rule I've followed has got me here, of what use was the rule? Of course, a month is a long time and they may in a better place next week. I'm worried that voter turnout will decrease because everyone thinks Obama has it in the bag. That plus election irregularities and high profile last week dirt could be helpful to them.
post #7 of 80
1) Give McCain access to a time machine.
2) Anytime McCain isn't at a function, have Palin ask "Where's McCain?"
3) Screw Flanders.
4) Screw Flanders.
5) Screw Flanders.
post #8 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
1) Give McCain access to a time machine.
2) Anytime McCain isn't at a function, have Palin ask "Where's McCain?"
3) Screw Flanders.
4) Screw Flanders.
5) Screw Flanders.
There needs to be a dog with shifty eyes and ominous music (yes I just got Simpsons season 11 and the Mel Gibson episode is awesome)
post #9 of 80
Agree with your #1: fire your entire campaign staff.

#2: throw a Hail Mary by hiring a group of mavericky political flacks who are not lobbyists or otherwise tied to huge corporate interests, and military/world affairs types who aren't warhawky neocons, then suspend the campaign for real and sit down and spend a week hammering out sane, reality-based policies.

#3: Unveil your new policies with a series of positive, forward-looking ads, outlining these plans in detail. If these plans do not include endless hot and cold wars, increased deregulation, and massive giveaways to big business.

#4: Give a humble and serious speech unveiling your new reality-based policies, no more "maverick" and "my friend," and back up your "I know how to do this"s with actual solutions to back them up.

#5: Drop Palin and do what you were originally going to do: enlist Lieberman (though he's hateful) as VP. This may not gain you any friends in the "base," but the people who supported you back before this campaign, when you were still yourself, might come back.
post #10 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Felt Pelt View Post
What they're doing, will it work? I'm surprised that the Ayers accusation is able to sustain itself in the media cycle at all. It's transparently empty, and desperate, but it's their talking point.

Swift boating was successful, I think the general wisdom is, because Kerry's lack of forceful response. Obama labels Ayers a distraction, and changes the subject back to the economy, and that seems to negate the tactic.

They need to need look themselves in the mirror. And say, if the rule I've followed has got me here, of what use was the rule? Of course, a month is a long time and they may in a better place next week. I'm worried that voter turnout will decrease because everyone thinks Obama has it in the bag. That plus election irregularities and high profile last week dirt could be helpful to them.
Agreed. We could be singing the blues 2 weeks hence about how Obama grabbed defeat out of the jaws of victory. The biggest mistake right now for Obama is to be complacent. He needs to continue to campaign like he's 10 points under and he needs to convince every voter that they need to turn out.

So what about Palin? If you were getting paid good money to run the campaign, what would your advice be handling her?
post #11 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake View Post
Give up!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
Quit.
These work for me.
post #12 of 80
Start drinking heavily.
post #13 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Start drinking heavily.
I think he's already started doing that......
post #14 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
Agreed. We could be singing the blues 2 weeks hence about how Obama grabbed defeat out of the jaws of victory. The biggest mistake right now for Obama is to be complacent. He needs to continue to campaign like he's 10 points under and he needs to convince every voter that they need to turn out.
Agree, agree, agree! The Republican machine excels at stealing elections. It's a dark art they have perfected over the years, with aiding and abetting by Congress with the Orwellian "Help America Vote" Act. While I'm praying that Obama wins, and intend to volunteer on election day if they want me, I'm nonetheless extremely worried that McCain will "win" like Bush did in 2000 and 2004.
post #15 of 80
For the third debate, he should wear a giant pair of fake novelty boobs in commemoration of breast cancer awareness month.
post #16 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yt View Post
Agree with your #1: fire your entire campaign staff.

#2: throw a Hail Mary by hiring a group of mavericky political flacks who are not lobbyists or otherwise tied to huge corporate interests, and military/world affairs types who aren't warhawky neocons, then suspend the campaign for real and sit down and spend a week hammering out sane, reality-based policies.

#3: Unveil your new policies with a series of positive, forward-looking ads, outlining these plans in detail. If these plans do not include endless hot and cold wars, increased deregulation, and massive giveaways to big business.

#4: Give a humble and serious speech unveiling your new reality-based policies, no more "maverick" and "my friend," and back up your "I know how to do this"s with actual solutions to back them up.

#5: Drop Palin and do what you were originally going to do: enlist Lieberman (though he's hateful) as VP. This may not gain you any friends in the "base," but the people who supported you back before this campaign, when you were still yourself, might come back.
Thanks for your detailed response. I think the winning strategy could be summarized as "McCain 2000". This guy (if he ever existed) would actually be doing pretty good right now. Don't know if he'd be doing better than Obama, but I think the enthusiasm gap wouldn't be as large.

While I think dropping Palin would be a good idea for the country, it doesn't do much to help get him elected. I think Palin needs to be more positive and talk about social issues in a positive light instead of as a divisive measure. In reality, it's too late to take her off the ticket so she's gotta be used some way. But how?
post #17 of 80
Bring back "McCain 2000" is the only positive option, but it may be too late. I understand why they had to hide McCain 2000 in the primaries, but they dropped the ball not bringing him back for the general. The Republican party hampered the chances of their own candidate with their own party stupidity.
post #18 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yt View Post
Agree, agree, agree! The Republican machine excels at stealing elections. It's a dark art they have perfected over the years, with aiding and abetting by Congress with the Orwellian "Help America Vote" Act. While I'm praying that Obama wins, and intend to volunteer on election day if they want me, I'm nonetheless extremely worried that McCain will "win" like Bush did in 2000 and 2004.
If these numbers hold, then McCain "winning" will look fishy. Even if you factor in the "Bradley Effect" (which I don't think is as big as people think), it would still look like someone was up to shenanigans. I'm not worried about the election being stolen but rather voters staying home.
post #19 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
So what about Palin? If you were getting paid good money to run the campaign, what would your advice be handling her?
Come up from behind and gently cup the breasts, while whispering "Maverick... outsider... you betcha" softly in her ear.
post #20 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
So what about Palin? If you were getting paid good money to run the campaign, what would your advice be handling her?
Cleavage. It may be their last weapon.
post #21 of 80
Palin should attack on issues, not accusations, as said above, but that's not Steve Schmidt's style. I think in the long term, even if she loses, she has become a national figure and a future senate or presidential candidate, shudder to think.
post #22 of 80
Call your fellow Americans: "My fellow prisoners"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYFm5kK4f1k
post #23 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trav McGee View Post
Cleavage. It may be their last weapon.
That or a "leaked" sex tape. Sympathy points from women and boner points from men. Not to mention a hell of a fund raising tool.*


*kidding but of course the election is still a long ways off.
post #24 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
That or a "leaked" sex tape. Sympathy points from women and boner points from men. Not to mention a hell of a fund raising tool.*
A sex tape might be going too far, but topless photos from when she was younger would have the titillation factor with the benefit of being far enough in the past that it could be chalked up to youthful indiscretion.

Plus they'd be perkier.
post #25 of 80
It's the tragedy of the 2008 election, actually. Even though I would never vote for McCain, it actually is hard to watch him now and not feel sad for him.

If you've read the Rolling Stone piece about McCain, it's clear that like any other politician with this kind of longevity, he's got a lot of ugly skeletons in his closet. But because of some combination of a) his POW experience, b) his treatment at the hands of Bush in 2000; c) his cultivation of a strong relationship with the press; and d) his candid moments of actually speaking truth (like once saying that banning abortion will just bring back the bloody coathanger), his skeletons have stayed hidden.

What's tragic is that the legacy of 2000 McCain was secure, warts and all. He would be remembered as a hero when he went out. But by hiring the people he did to run his campaign, by recklessly choosing Palin at a time of severe crisis, by relentlessly pimping out his POW experience, by attacking the press, by drawing out the worst in Americans to serve his bald ambition and sense of entitlement to be President -- he has shredded that legacy.

By doing all of the above, he has exposed himself to the kind of intense scrutiny that has shone a light on every skeleton in his closet. He has invited Americans to watch him in the debate and see his flaws rather than looking at him as a hero. I was watching the debate last night with my kids, and this was going through my mind. It's tragic that he did that to himself.
post #26 of 80
Thread Starter 
Getting serious again, I think the McCain campaign is doing an okay job with Palin all things considered. They need to get her to attack Obama on more substantive things but keeping her out of swing states (or at least swing districts) is probably a good idea. Also I've been hearing that Sarah Palin might go on SNL and imitate Tina Fey which is a smart move. I'd also consider getting her on Leno and Letterman to show her human side and to get her off talking points.
post #27 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
If these numbers hold, then McCain "winning" will look fishy. Even if you factor in the "Bradley Effect" (which I don't think is as big as people think), it would still look like someone was up to shenanigans. I'm not worried about the election being stolen but rather voters staying home.
Hence suspension of the Posse Comitatus act and a US Army Brigade being assigned to the "Homeland."
post #28 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
Getting serious again, I think the McCain campaign is doing an okay job with Palin all things considered. They need to get her to attack Obama on more substantive things but keeping her out of swing states (or at least swing districts) is probably a good idea. Also I've been hearing that Sarah Palin might go on SNL and imitate Tina Fey which is a smart move. I'd also consider getting her on Leno and Letterman to show her human side and to get her off talking points.
You're talking about her as a real person. The only Palin we've seen outside of Alaska is a fiction. You can't put a fiction on Leno and especially not Letterman. And I hope SNL doesn't put her on, after all the lynch mob talks she's been giving lately.
post #29 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by yt View Post
It's the tragedy of the 2008 election, actually. Even though I would never vote for McCain, it actually is hard to watch him now and not feel sad for him.

If you've read the Rolling Stone piece about McCain, it's clear that like any other politician with this kind of longevity, he's got a lot of ugly skeletons in his closet. But because of some combination of a) his POW experience, b) his treatment at the hands of Bush in 2000; c) his cultivation of a strong relationship with the press; and d) his candid moments of actually speaking truth (like once saying that banning abortion will just bring back the bloody coathanger).

What's tragic is that the legacy of 2000 McCain was secure, warts and all. He would be remembered as a hero when he went out. But by hiring the people he did to run his campaign, by recklessly choosing Palin at a time of severe crisis, by relentlessly pimping out his POW experience, by attacking the press, by drawing out the worst in Americans to serve his bald ambition and sense of entitlement to be President -- he has shredded that legacy.

By doing all of the above, he has exposed himself to the kind of intense scrutiny that has shone a light on every skeleton in his closet. He has invited Americans to watch him in the debate and see his flaws rather than looking at him as a hero. I was watching the debate last night with my kids, and this was going through my mind. It's tragic that he did that to himself.
Alternately, had this campaign not happened as it has, we might still place some credence in the myth of the "straight talking" McCain. Maybe that legacy is better off shredded.
post #30 of 80
The media's fired up now. You won't be able to put Palin on Letterman and not have him go off on her. He's still running the McCain snub joke.
post #31 of 80
Move closer to the light.
post #32 of 80
True, but had he not run for president this time, he could have retired with his dignity intact. I'm just talking as a human, not as a fan of McCain's. I find the whole straight-talking maverick thing impossible to believe now, but we all lived with the myth for so long, he could easily have gone gently into that good night without so much ugliness and hatefulness oozing out of him as it has this year.
post #33 of 80
I know how evil this administration and its puppet masters have been behind closed doors...but
Do you really think that a stunt like suspension of the election due to economic disaster/terrorist attack/Israel NUCULAR site attack and bringing the tanks out on US streets is in the realm of the possible? It would mean the end of the republic, I dunno if even Cheney is that stupid. They would forever expose their ugly face to the world. I bet they are already planning for a Reagan like comeback in 2012, rather then openly risking everything.
post #34 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
Getting serious again, I think the McCain campaign is doing an okay job with Palin all things considered. They need to get her to attack Obama on more substantive things but keeping her out of swing states (or at least swing districts) is probably a good idea. Also I've been hearing that Sarah Palin might go on SNL and imitate Tina Fey which is a smart move. I'd also consider getting her on Leno and Letterman to show her human side and to get her off talking points.
Ugh! This non-partisan shit you're slinging is what's destroying our fucking country. My father and his father before him and my son after me didn't die so you could spout that open-minded trash! Why don't you take that unbyassed shit back to Switzerland you fuckin...fuckin...neutral! Moran!

!
post #35 of 80
Thread Starter 
Even if McCain loses, he still wins. Does anyone doubt for a second that McCain's memoirs of the 2008 election wouldn't fly off the shelves? Same goes for Obama if the unthinkable happens (and I mean that literally-unthinkable).
post #36 of 80
As close as the race still remains it actually wouldn't be hard.

1. Yes, bring back McCain 2000. Miss no opportunity to bash Bush.

2. More importantly, start bashing the crap out of the Democrat-led Congress and tie Obama to them. After all, their approval rating is even lower than W's. "In these dangerous times do you really want liberal Democrats in charge of the House, Senate, AND White House?"

3. Have Palin step down due to family responsibilities and replace her with just about anyone. Anyone outside of the Far Right would be more comfortable with Captain Spaulding one heartbeat away.
post #37 of 80
blackface?
post #38 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
blackface?
Well let's see.....

Debate 1: Doesn't even make eye contact with Obama
Debate 2: Calls Obama "that one"
Debate 3? Hmmmmm. You might be on to something. The trendlines favor blackface.
post #39 of 80
Tell us how to win the war and capture bin Laden and fix the economy. Quit your teasing!
post #40 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by myk View Post
Tell us how to win the war and capture bin Laden and fix the economy. Quit your teasing!
I'm satisfied with him knowing how to do these things. You don't tell voters what you're going to do the fix those things. You don't do that.....
post #41 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
I'm satisfied with him knowing how to do these things. You don't tell voters what you're going to do the fix those things. You don't do that.....


"If you're good at something, never do it for free."
post #42 of 80
Abortions for some, little American Flags for all!
post #43 of 80
Make your health care plan sound like it's not set up to punish people for being sick. In other words, lie.
post #44 of 80
  1. Borrow heavily and go into debt.
  2. Secretly fund a far right nut job (Ron Paul?) and keep him off his meds so he can say everything that you want to say but would cost you the election.
  3. Distance yourself from the nut job and the fray.
  4. Secretly fund left wing nut jobs (Rev Wright) to get them in the live media as often as possible.
  5. Secretly influence a minor dictator in a non-brown nation to make a major human rights stink.
  6. Be the point man in calling for "taking him out" and be part of the Mission Complete announcement.
Just repeating what's in the Palpatine memoirs.
post #45 of 80
You joke, but (5) is plausible. Just look at what is happening in South America right now. If Venezuela and Colombia were on the brink of war at this point, it could have tourned out ugly if it became politicized in the US.
post #46 of 80
McCain dug his own grave 8 years ago when he hitched his wagon onto the Bush/Cheney Express. The John McCain of 2000 can't just pop out of a gopher hole in '08 and proclaim "maverick!" and win shit. The John McCain of 2008 needs to travel back in time 8 years and tell the John McCain of 2000 to run to the left. Hard.
post #47 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
That or a "leaked" sex tape. Sympathy points from women and boner points from men. Not to mention a hell of a fund raising tool.*


*kidding but of course the election is still a long ways off.
A-la peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

Sarah Palin Sex Tape UNCENSORED

(NSFW...Not explicit, but, ya know, everybody's so fuckin touchy these days)
post #48 of 80
"You like that, you dirty Alaskan whore?"
"You betcha!"
post #49 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
You joke, but (5) is plausible. Just look at what is happening in South America right now. If Venezuela and Colombia were on the brink of war at this point, it could have tourned out ugly if it became politicized in the US.
Too big -- has be someone they can smack down without too much time and expense, and regime change might be popular with the natives and a diaspora ... Cuba?
post #50 of 80
With regards to this "global warming" issue that these Democrats keep talking about, investigate dealing with it in a way that appeals more to your base - like looking into a military option.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Political Discourse
CHUD.com Community › Forums › POLITICS & RELIGION › Political Discourse › Advise the McCain Campaign