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post #51 of 80
10/8/08 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
It's the tragedy of the 2008 election, actually. Even though I would never vote for McCain, it actually is hard to watch him now and not feel sad for him.
I don't think that he deserves any sympathy at all. What he deserves is a beat down to end all beat downs. The day that he got off easy for the Keating S&L scandal is the day that he used up any special consideration that he earned for his time in Hanoi. If anything, his hypocrisy, his cynicism and his relentless self-promotion deserve more scorn than the garden variety Rovian scumbag. He knows what he's doing, but he does it anyway.
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post #52 of 80
10/8/08 at 10:40pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Eaton View Post
With regards to this "global warming" issue that these Democrats keep talking about, investigate dealing with it in a way that appeals more to your base - like looking into a military option.
That just might fly*. Think of it..."The War On Warming". I doubt it would take much effort to get gorgons like mAnn Coulter and Michele Malkin to start screeching about being vulnerable to dirty WarmoFascists.


* unlike John McCain. OUCH!!!
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post #53 of 80
10/8/08 at 10:45pm
Stop with the 2004 campaign leftovers. Accusing Obama of hanging out with terrorists, wanting to surrender Iraq, or not supporting American troops is a sure loser. That shit won't fly now that people realize we didn't need to be in Iraq in the first place and are worried about domestic issues.
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post #54 of 80
10/8/08 at 11:32pm
Honestly?

McCain is running a campaign that best fits the Republican party of 2008. At this point he needs to do two things

1) Somehow discourage Dems and independants from voting

2) Get the Republican base mobilised in large numbers to vote for him

The negative ads help with no 1 (so does complacency) and Palin has changed no 2 from being highly unlikley to very likely

Don't fool yourselves into thinking Obama has this warpped up. The "Bradley Effect" cannot be measured by polls and we may well see a replay of the 2000 election. And who do you think the Supreme Court would choose this time?
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post #55 of 80
10/8/08 at 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
True, but had he not run for president this time, he could have retired with his dignity intact. I'm just talking as a human
That's a bit too much credit.
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post #56 of 80
10/8/08 at 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Honestly?

McCain is running a campaign that best fits the Republican party of 2008. At this point he needs to do two things

1) Somehow discourage Dems and independants from voting

2) Get the Republican base mobilised in large numbers to vote for him

The negative ads help with no 1 (so does complacency) and Palin has changed no 2 from being highly unlikley to very likely

Don't fool yourselves into thinking Obama has this warpped up. The "Bradley Effect" cannot be measured by polls and we may well see a replay of the 2000 election. And who do you think the Supreme Court would choose this time?
So what you're saying is that McCain is on course to win this election? I agree that the two things you listed work but I have to disagree that the strategy that's in play right now is getting McCain there.
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post #57 of 80
10/9/08 at 12:01am
The Bradley effect has disappered gradually over the last 20 years. It's no longer a factor. It's just a stupid conservative talking point now.
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post #58 of 80
10/9/08 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
So what you're saying is that McCain is on course to win this election? I agree that the two things you listed work but I have to disagree that the strategy that's in play right now is getting McCain there.
Maybe "Stategy" is the wrong word: McCain seems to have run his campaign by a series of gambles, some more "out there" than others.

I don't say he's "on course' to win the election: I think he could, and that we can't be complacent.

People talked how dumb, incompetant etc Bush was in 2000 & 2004. And in 2004 there was no way Kerry wasn't going to rip Bush a new one...right?

EDITED TO ADD: Advice to you? You should add McCain's comment that Palin "knows more about energy than anyone else in the United States" to your signature to make it complete!
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post #59 of 80
10/9/08 at 12:44am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Don't fool yourselves into thinking Obama has this warpped up. The "Bradley Effect" cannot be measured by polls and we may well see a replay of the 2000 election. And who do you think the Supreme Court would choose this time?
I've heard some pundits say that both campaigns expect McCain to get most of the undecideds on election day. The idea being that most of the holdouts have serious misgivings about voting for a black dude (being older) and that the only reason why they're even thinking about voting for Obama is because the economy really sucks.

My point about airing fully all the McCain voters who are more vocal about voting against Obama is to minimize the Bradley Effect. The Gov of NC seems to think there might be a reverse Bradley Effect in waiting (which would be cool) because "they might like McCain, but they love their job."
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post #60 of 80
10/9/08 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Maybe "Stategy" is the wrong word: McCain seems to have run his campaign by a series of gambles, some more "out there" than others.

I don't say he's "on course' to win the election: I think he could, and that we can't be complacent.

People talked how dumb, incompetant etc Bush was in 2000 & 2004. And in 2004 there was no way Kerry wasn't going to rip Bush a new one...right?
I agree alot of things can happen in the next 4 weeks and I don't want this thread to sound like it's all sewn up but the fact is that McCain has had 3 or 4 bad weeks in a row and it only seems to be getting worse. Couple this with the fact that voters are sick of negative ads when McCain is running 100% attack ads and you don't exactly have a clear road to the White House.
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post #61 of 80
10/9/08 at 9:16am
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Gallup:
While 6% of voters say they are less likely to vote for Barack Obama because of his race, 9% say they are more likely to vote for him, making the impact of his race a neutral to slightly positive factor when all voters’ self-reported attitudes are taken into account.
I hope they are right.
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post #62 of 80
10/9/08 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Maybe "Stategy" is the wrong word: McCain seems to have run his campaign by a series of gambles, some more "out there" than others.
The common refrain I've heard is that McCain is running a tactical campaign as opposed to a strategic one -- he's reacting to things as they come rather than having an overall master plan. Which is kind of ironic, considering how he tried to school Obama on the difference between tactics and strategy in the first debate.
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post #63 of 80
10/9/08 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by Admiral Shark View Post
The Bradley effect has disappered gradually over the last 20 years. It's no longer a factor. It's just a stupid conservative talking point now.
Exactly. See Cylon Baby's first bullet point:


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1) Somehow discourage Dems and independents from voting
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post #64 of 80
10/9/08 at 2:45pm
Well, it looks as if they're already starting a massive image rehab on the McCain campaign. Sarah Palin will appear on SNL with Tina Fey to let audiences know that the Republicans are totally in on the joke!
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post #65 of 80
10/9/08 at 2:47pm
I thought it they denied she was going to be in it this week.
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post #66 of 80
10/9/08 at 2:50pm
Well, "sources" are claiming that they don't want it to be leaked this early, like with the Obama appearance. But that Palin is definitely willing to show up.

It would help them tremendously. I don't see why they wouldn't.
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post #67 of 80
10/9/08 at 2:53pm
Fuck, no please, just no. Please don't validate her. Please please please please!

PLEASE?! Don't fucking do it!
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post #68 of 80
10/9/08 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Blueharvester View Post
I know how evil this administration and its puppet masters have been behind closed doors...but
Do you really think that a stunt like suspension of the election due to economic disaster/terrorist attack/Israel NUCULAR site attack and bringing the tanks out on US streets is in the realm of the possible?
Nope.
All of our tanks are in Iraq. Not to mention the fact that this administration obviously doesn't care who gets elected. They've fulfilled their own agendas and are moving on.
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post #69 of 80
10/9/08 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by Blueharvester View Post
I know how evil this administration and its puppet masters have been behind closed doors...but
Do you really think that a stunt like suspension of the election due to economic disaster/terrorist attack/Israel NUCULAR site attack and bringing the tanks out on US streets is in the realm of the possible? It would mean the end of the republic, I dunno if even Cheney is that stupid. They would forever expose their ugly face to the world. I bet they are already planning for a Reagan like comeback in 2012, rather then openly risking everything.
Not a chance:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/...GE34inuSayFz4D
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post #70 of 80
10/9/08 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by CocoaSugarbaker View Post
Well, it looks as if they're already starting a massive image rehab on the McCain campaign. Sarah Palin will appear on SNL with Tina Fey to let audiences know that the Republicans are totally in on the joke!
The beauty of this is that it's live tv. I think it's safe to say that Fey does not like Sarah Palin and she's (Fey) savvy enough she could probably capitalize on the appearance.
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post #71 of 80
10/27/08 at 5:25pm
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So it's crunch time and I've decided to ressurect this thread. In these last 8 days, what can McCain do to win? My advice would be to finally paint a picture of what a McCain presidency would look like.

McCain hasn't made his case to the American people and now is the time to do it. It could be too late, but he needs to start. Saying "I'm not Obama" isn't enough this cycle just like Kerry's argument that "I'm not Bush" wasn't enough in the last one. My feeling is that the undecided voter (WTF) at this point wants to vote for McCain but hasn't been given a reason to yet. If McCain has any chance of turning this around, it will be in offering a vision for what he wants to do and be on message like never before.

Another way for McCain to win would be if George W. would be kind enough to bomb some brown people and somehow make this last week of the campaign about national security. A subject McCain still leads on.

Other than that? Hell if I know.
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post #72 of 80
10/27/08 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
Another way for McCain to win would be if George W. would be kind enough to bomb some brown people and somehow make this last week of the campaign about national security. A subject McCain still leads on.
But voters think the economy is more important than national security by a 3-1 margin, so I don't think McCain being strong on it will make a difference.
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post #73 of 80
10/27/08 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
Another way for McCain to win would be if George W. would be kind enough to bomb some brown people and somehow make this last week of the campaign about national security. A subject McCain still leads on.
Err... http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...613436,00.html
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post #74 of 80
10/27/08 at 5:48pm
The 538 guy laid it out state by state:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10252008...win_135233.htm

Part of the plan includes just hoping that Florida, Missouri and Indiana will go to him without spending any more resources there.

It's obvious now that he should have run a centrist campaign and he didn't. A time machine would be good. All he can do is keep doing what he has been for consistency's sake and hope that Silver's model, among others, is wrong.
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post #75 of 80
10/27/08 at 6:47pm
McCain can start by explicitly disassociating himself from the terrifyingly large group of supporters who simultaneously want to party like it's both 1849 and 1949!
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post #76 of 80
10/27/08 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
McCain can start by explicitly disassociating himself from the terrifyingly large group of supporters who simultaneously want to party like it's both 1849 and 1949!
It's too late for that. If he really wanted to do that, he would have ran as an independent rather than a Republican. There's no way the modern GOP can consider themselves as a "modern" party. The tides of change and the race itself have picked the GOP up and thrown them to the sharks.

If the GOP doesn't make some serious changes, they will not only lose large voting blocs for decades, but they won't see power for the same time.

This is NOT a repeat of 1994. This kick out of Republicans in office is beyond ideology.
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post #77 of 80
10/27/08 at 8:02pm
Best strategy for McCain?

Find a DeLorean and go back to the year 2000, with video/pictures of what's happened in the past 8 years.

Other than that, he doesn't have a shot.
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post #78 of 80
10/27/08 at 8:19pm
At this point? Seppuku.
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post #79 of 80
10/27/08 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
At this point? Seppuku.
**somber Philip Glass melody**
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post #80 of 80
10/28/08 at 2:34am
Not sure what McCain can do at this point, but maybe stopping the robocalls that cause your robocallers to walk out of your call center for starters.
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