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Electronic voting machines are the solution

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Thread Starter 
Computers are literally counting machines, they can take out human error out of the vote counting process and can provider a better user experience and general usability specially with citizens with special needs.

Many of you are anti e-voting, but this seems reactionary. Just because we have an incompetent company out there implementing a version of e-voting machines, doesn't mean we can't come up with a solid, open and tamper proof solution.

Several open source projects have been started around this idea, and all that is needed is people to support these efforts and encourage government to sponsor one of these projects/consortia.

http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/

For example, the system proposed by the Open Voting Consortium still contains a trail of paper ballots that can be used to verify the vote count manually if necessary. It basically makes the computer terminal an input method (like your pen) and the scanner is the physical link to the actual count (I think this could be done without the need for scans personally).

In my view, a proper e-voting machine would fit this criteria:

1) Be completely open source based: That includes the actual voting software, the operating system and even the hardware. The hardware is a bit of overkill, but at least the hardware specification and certification can be treated as an open standard. On the extreme side, you could mandate something like what Sun Microsystems has done with open sourcing some of their hardware (but again, that might be too much).

2) Paper trail. Any system would require to still print out paper ballots. This provides a physical method for double checking results, and can also be used as a way for the voter to review their votes. You use the machine, print out the result check it and submit it to the scanner (or skip the scan step for other systems).

3) Randomize the order of candidates. I don't think there's a "fair" way to place the order of the candidates and to me the only acceptable method is to randomize this. Should this matter? No. Does it matter? Yes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/04/op...4krosnick.html

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Candidates listed first on the ballot get about two percentage points more votes on average than they would have if they had been listed later (flipping a 49 to 51 defeat into a 51 to 49 victory). In fact, in about half the races I have studied, the advantage of first place is even bigger — certainly big enough to win some elections these days.
4) The voting system should support multiple languages and the latest accessibility methods.

And on (1), the project should be an independent organization, like the Apache foundation, or OSGi, but should be backed and funded by the government. Private contributions could raise concerns about corporations and other groups trying to influence the system.

I proposed a "voting receipt" idea, but some concerns were raised about it violating the concept of a "secret ballot". I'll say I agree with that and say that the paper trail already suggested in these systems is good enough for this.
post #2 of 12
Let's do that!

Thread closed. (just kidding.)
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Somebody suggested including pictures of the candidates.

I like the idea, but I can see people making the argument that this could make people discriminate against candidates based on race or physical appearance.
post #4 of 12
I'm for it as long as it's a picture of Palin in a bikini for straight men and Palin holding her down syndrome baby while working for women.
post #5 of 12
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The current solutions I've seen don't address the voter registration mess, I'd also like to see systems that enable same day voter registration.
post #6 of 12
I don't see any problem with a voting receipt if it doesn't have any actual persons name on it. They would have a way to generate a unique hash that comes from variables that would not allow tracing back to the original voter.

I'd be all for tabulation of votes electronically with a backup check of rescanning printed out ballets after election night to verify. I think the system that Cap has outlined would go a long way to solving the e-voting problems.

The question I have is, how hard would it be to get a national consistent ballot system deployed? How much would it cost and how long would it take?
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
4) The voting system should support multiple languages and the latest accessibility methods.
Not being American I don't know your rules -- do only citizens vote?

Is the citizenship test in multiple languages too?
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
You have to be a US citizen and be a resident of one of the 50 states (important point to make for those who live in Puerto Rico, which has no electoral votes).

For naturalization there are 2 tests, one for English and civics, they are very simple. You can be exempt from the English requirements, but I'm not sure how you qualify for that.
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
The current solutions I've seen don't address the voter registration mess, I'd also like to see systems that enable same day voter registration.
Electronic voting machines or not, I don't know why this isn't a wider practice. We have it in Wisconsin, and it doesn't seem to create any huge burden for potential voters, registered or unregistered, on election days.

I can only assume it's not more popular because Republicans don't like the idea of a higher turnout of low-income and young voters.
post #10 of 12
Yeah, as a Wisconsin resident I did that for the Feb. primaries and it was easy. They had multiple tables and one of them was dedicated towards new registers or change of addresses. I just brought in a passport and a utility bill to prove citizenship and residency and then took something to one of the other tables to get my ballot and then voted.

I'll admit that I wasn't sure exactly how to put my vote into the vote counter and I also wasn't a big fan of the 'draw a line to connect the arrow for who you want to vote for' format.

When I used to live in Virginia, I had to register 30 days before the election and that deadline was about 3 days after I moved to the state. So I had to do the same thing again only I had to take off work and take in a copy of my lease to try to prove residency. It was much more of a pain. The polling place was right along my walking route to work though so at least that was easy.
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Originally Posted by sunwukong View Post
Not being American I don't know your rules -- do only citizens vote?

Is the citizenship test in multiple languages too?
Citizenship test is in English, but actual ballots have to be printed in multiple languages when minorities request them per a 70s amendment to the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The languages are English, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, and maybe one or two others that I've forgotten. It's pretty odd.
post #12 of 12
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As I said, there are exceptions;

Ability to Read, Write and Speak English
You must be able to read, write, speak, and understand words in ordinary usage in the English language. You may claim exempt from this requirement if, on the date of filing:

1. You have been residing in the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident for 15 years or more, and are over 55 years of age

2.
You have been residing in the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident for 20 years or more, and are over 50 years of age, or

3.
You have a medically determinable physical or mental impairment, where the impairment affects your ability to learn English
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